And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb
Posted : 4 Mar, 2021 12:15 AM
People give examples, which they make up, to describe God, not because they are honouring the Lord, or have insight from the Lord.
If people had enlightenment about Gods mystery of Christ, surely there would be some of Gods word accompanying that, so we can easily see how their understanding, is the same as God has already told us, so that we cant ever misunderstand anything ?
When God is described as a three headed leaf, what purpose does that description serve, but to take away from the purpose of Christ, which is to be in glory then to leave glory as told to us..
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Because as were also testified, Christ is the Lord of glory:
1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
So we understand so far, it is the Lords will, not the devils even awareness, for God to be bruised, to be the staff that is beauty, for the body God is in to be broken for us...
Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Zechariah 11:10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord.
12 12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Then instead of a three headed leaf, which describes nothing, and has no significance at all, no explanation from an evil spirit, but to invent any kind of evil it can for mischief until it has vanished.
More appropriate might be considering a balloon, filled with glory in Heaven, which is God who is the Father, but requires to bring many sons to glory, had to take the form lower than the angels, the form of the Son, and John 1:33 shows how that ballloon was filled with the Holy Ghost, to then baptize the sons he went to create in Him...
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Then to finish it is simple, God was believed in in the world, who always was in Heaven as per John 3:13, but seen of angels as the Son, and made perfect in our eyesight to both give glory to God, and to bring many sons to Himself by following His example of the Son..
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb
Posted : 4 Mar, 2021 09:45 AM
Adam writes -
'If people had enlightenment about Gods mystery of Christ, surely there would be some of Gods word accompanying that, so we can easily see how their understanding, is the same as God has already told us, so that we cant ever misunderstand anything? When God is described as a three headed leaf, what purpose does that description serve, but to take away from the purpose of Christ, which is to be in glory then to leave glory as told to us..'
'John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.'
That's right Adam, when persons like rsvp try to bring his PAGAN beliefs to a Biblical discussion forum and SUPPOSEDLY try to somehow teach/compare his CULT 'trinity' doctrine, its none other than a shame to him! Really rsvp, Father/Christ/His Holy Spirit compared to a 'three headed leaf' like a PAGAN shamrock??? You really think PAGANS have a clue to what the Bible says dude??? What part of ONE Creator don't you understand AND THERE IS NO OTHER from the beginning of Creation! rsvp, the Bible clearly says there is ONLY ONE YHWH!
Isaiah 45:5 (KJV) 'I am the LORD, and >>>there is none else, there is no (other) god beside me:<<< I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:'
Isaiah 45:5 (CJB) 'I am ADONAI; >>>there is no other; besides me there is no (other) god.<<< I am arming you, although you don't know me,
So rsvp, Isaiah is clearly telling us that >>>BEFORE<<< the Father ever put His WORD in flesh NT (John 1) and called it His ONLY begotten Son, the Messiah Yah'shua, the Father was all that existed! OK? Of course He had His set apart Holy Spirit that exists as a part of Him because He is also HOLY because His Holy Spirit is Him!
You never did answer rsvp in another thread, that - 'since the Bible CLEARLY says that the Father will return in judgment with His Son sitting on His right hand side, then who is sitting on His left hand side??? There is no mention of a separate 'god' as you claim is a Holy Spirit on His left hand side because THE Holy Spirit IS part of the Father and always has been but He can send it from Himself for His plan and purpose! Don't forget He has other holy spirits called angels that have work to do and obey the Father! Do you see your doctrine problem in LOGIC now rsvp?'
Adam, rsvp like Quiznos and littledavid, don't understand that the Father has 'parts' to Him just like us mortal humans do! The Father has a 'form' to Him stated in Genesis that Moses seen (His back side) with his own eyes, or MAYBE you could call it some kind of body if you will and then His WORD (that became flesh, that is His Son later NT times) and finally His set part Holy Spirit, ALL ONE CREATOR just as Isaiah 45:5 describes! Its so clear when you are not CULTISED by some 'church' teaching! So what are our human 'parts'? Well first of all we have a mortal body, then we speak words (or write them) and finally we have a spirit like in joy/laughter/anger etc etc. BUT UNLIKE the Father that is able to be in several locations (omnipresent) at the
same time in 'body form' and or 'WORD' (that became flesh) and or finally by His Holy Spirit, we mortal humans cannot be separate any 'part' of ourselves because we are a unit! We are one body/person (soul) of words/spirit (1 Thess. 5:23).
So Adam was correct to post John 17:5 (reposted above) that says the Messiah was THE FATHER in the Flesh, to be glorified in the flesh, that same GLORY that He had when He was WITH the Father in WORD >>>before<<< becoming flesh, that is >>>before<<< Creation WEEK of SEVEN DAYS!
And what is really SAD TODAY is 'churches' teach just like littledavid, Quiznos and probably rsvp in some kind of sense, that there is NOW only SIX day weeks in NT times! LOL! Now they don't come right out and say so but when I have challenged them IN THAT QUESTION they either distract or change the subject!!! So rsvp, is there only six day weeks now because the Messiah 'fulfilled' one day in seven???
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb
Posted : 4 Mar, 2021 11:23 AM
"BEFORE<<< the Father ever put His WORD in flesh NT (John 1) and called it His ONLY begotten Son, the Messiah Yah'shua, the Father was all that existed! OK? Of course He had His set apart Holy Spirit that exists as a part of Him because He is also HOLY because His Holy Spirit is Him! "
The scriptures make all clear for us, all we have to do is devote our entire existence to them, and God might let us know all.
Before God had made the earth, at the time of all creation, wisdom was there with God. This is what talks to us/God, as He created all by wisdom..
Psalm 136:5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Proverbs 3:19 The Lord by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
Then before Proverbs 8:30 gets confusing, we understand who was brought up with God, was God, nothing separate, nobody else, God reveals all to us by that same wisdom..
Proverbs 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Who was loved before the foundation of the world, just as we read wisdom was as one brought up with the Lord, who is creator and Father, and God is all, so God is the Son too, who ALSO, chose us IN HIM, also before the foundation of the world....
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
God never created anyone else to be with God, the word of God created all, the word of His wisdom and the faith of Christ always, the righteousness of God is by faith of Jesus Christ, through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ, ans the knowledge of God and our Lord Jesus Christ..
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Then we need the scripture to show us what the word of God is..
The word of God is the SPIRIT, the word of truth, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH..
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
2 Corinthians 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
Again, reading John 1, we see who is born of God, man is born again by the word of God, which is the HOLY SPIRIT, and the word of God abides in man/the Spirit of Christ..
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1 John 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
Then all there is to know Him that is true( the Spirit of truth Jesus Christ) who is the Word of God, who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords..
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
Christ at the right hand of the Father, is Him filling all Heaven, and then sat on His own throne one sits to His left and another tro His right..
Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
When God is described as a three headed leaf, what purpose does that description serve, but to take away from the purpose of Christ, which is to be in glory then to leave glory as told to us..' 
Really rsvp, Father/Christ/His Holy Spirit compared to a 'three headed leaf' like a PAGAN shamrock??? 
You really think PAGANS have a clue to what the Bible says dude??? 
What part of ONE Creator don't you understand AND THERE IS NO OTHER from the beginning of Creation! 
rsvp, the Bible clearly says there is ONLY ONE YHWH! 
So what are our human 'parts'? 
LOL! Now they don't come right out and say so but when I have challenged them IN THAT QUESTION they either distract or change the subject!!! 
So rsvp, is there only six day weeks now because the Messiah 'fulfilled' one day in seven???