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you can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice-- rush song " freewill "
Posted : 28 Jan, 2021 05:12 AM
the progressive rock band rush knew that there is no neutrality when it comes to the debate about total free will and limited free will
I mean come on have you ever met a rock climber who has said because we live in a democracy we can vote out the law gravity ?
but yet in Christianity the debate rages on between calvinists and arminiansists in regards to election
in the New Testament, sinners are commanded over and over to “repent” and “believe” (Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Acts 3:19; 1 John 3:23). Every call to repent is a call to choose. The command to believe assumes that the hearer can choose to obey the command
joshua 24:15 choose this day whom you will serve-- sounds like limited free will to me
you can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice-- rush song " freewill "
Posted : 28 Jan, 2021 10:24 AM
Awesome post and thread RSVP! This is a great topic dear to my heart and certainly to our Creator!
Its interesting that you chose a secular 'rock band' as per to their lyrics in example to 'election' and our choices. Those secular devil worshipping 'rock bands' know full well 'whom they do serve' because 'rock and roll' is the devils 'music' of deception and feeding of the sinful flesh. Those 'bands' sell their 'souls' to the devil for the fame of being on stage! I know full well this subject having a family member, my little brother, sell out in his youth and NOW doing the same in his so called 'church' doing the same 'gig' in 'rock and roll' in supposedly changing the lyrics to 'christian' while the same
satanic beat is there to feed the flesh!!! OUCH! I have always told bro you can't serve two masters but its your FREE WILL who you 'choose this day whom you will serve' to your end! I mean 'christian rock and roll' is like a oxymoron really.... You can clean up a pig and even put lipstick on it but in the end it will waller in the mud and still be a filthy SWINE!!!
So who cares what labeled as calvinists, arminiansists and other "faiths' are and say, to teach in regards to election, its ONLY the CONTEXT of Scripture that counts!
YUP, choose this day whom you will serve.... nothing limited about free will in that verse AND SO MANY OTHER verses in the Bible!
But you know something rsvp? Here is something to think about when it comes to 'election' day >>>before<<< and then at His return! David, and Moonlight here on this forum teach that we are 'predestined' to keep on sinning everyday until the cows come home and even when those cows do come home, persons will just keep on sinning like pink energizer bunnies until the return of Christ! Is that COOL or what? So it is by their same SELF DOCTRINE they also would call these continual sinners 'saints' at His return, for their will be no difference between atheist and 'christian' because they will all be continually sinning! Ooooh but then they have an excuse for that don't they because its OBVIOUS willful sinners don't go to heaven, so they have come up with this play on words that they are not 'PRACTICING' sinning??? SAY WHAT??? So part time sinners are saved but full time ones are not???
So my still loved little bro in his so called "christian rock band' is only a part time (not practicing) sinner because it MENTIONS lyrics of Christ that you can hardly hear with all the LOUD NOISE but full time (practicing sin) secular 'rock bands' are NOT 'saved' because they don't mention the name of Christ, nor speak of Him in lyrics??? I get it now!
But but but... thinking again.... Rather full time 'practicing' sin or part time 'not practicing' sin it makes no difference because sin is sin! YICKS!
And yet it STILL echo's in this thread the theme verse from Joshua and the sinless Yah'shua by example in RIGHTEOUSNESS - 'choose this day whom you will serve'!!!??? Righteous or unrighteous as ADAM7777 so many times CORRECTLY teaches with verses, its our CHOICE! AMEN!
you can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice-- rush song " freewill "
Posted : 28 Jan, 2021 12:10 PM
yeah it's true Teddy look what happened to striper during the eighties they pretended for years to be Christians and even tossed out in bibles into the audience but like Jesus said Luke 12 even their secret sins will be shouted from the rooftops!
I think as far as sinning it comes down to sins of omission versus sins of commission I can recall a time when I was living in the tehachapi mountains I slipped and fell hit my knee on the hard ice and shouted out an expletive when I finally got up I felt a conviction from the holy ghost about that expletive and repented for it
but when I was in a state of backsliding in the 90s I felt no conviction about my continual lust in the flesh and desire to please it that is until early 2002 when the holy ghost told me you're about to experience 1st Corinthians 5 and your flesh will be delivered over to Satan to preserve you for the day of judgment
we cannot walk in both spirit and flesh and please God lukewarm Christians will not have their place in the kingdom this echoes the sentiments Paul spoke of in Galatians 5 right before the fruits of the holy Spirit in.verse 22........ prior to that he warns the Galatians that no fornicators no adulterers no swindlers etc etc will enter into the kingdom of God he most definitely was not speaking to the world but to the church who were already saved but yet backsliding dogs who have gone back to their vomit ........ rush like so many other secular bands and some phony Christian bands have a choice to make while there is still a pulse while one can still breathe they have a chance for salvation by Christ
and will be without excuse Romans 1:20 every take of the clock is precious
you can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice-- rush song " freewill "
Posted : 28 Jan, 2021 07:21 PM
RSVP, the Bible speaks both to the choosing of God and the choice of each individual.
Some Calvinists have a better understanding than other Calvinists and the same goes for Arminians. Sometimes there is overlap of agreement between them. There’s good on both sides as well as ignorance.
Flat Teddy demonstrates the ignorance part as indicated in his posts above.
Flat Teddy, who has admitted using lies against another poster, (Prophetic 7744). Flat Teddy believes that telling such lies, against the likes of Prophetic, is ok.
True to his character, Flat Teddy continues to lie. This time his targets involve lying about what l and Moonlight have posted.
Flat Teddy claims l and Moonlight promote sin but anyone familiar with out posts know that we do not believe sinning is ok as Flat Teddy says we do
you can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice-- rush song " freewill "
Posted : 29 Jan, 2021 12:56 AM
"I think as far as sinning it comes down to sins of omission versus sins of commission "
I think Gods word thinks better for us, and how all unrighteousness is sin, the same as righteousness versus unrighteousness, darkness versus light, born again, and still not born again, good tree, and evil tree, serving sin or serving God, pleasing ourselves or pleasing our neighbour to edification, loving our neighbour, or hating our neighbour, doing unholiness or unholiness, defiled or the undefiled, keeping the law of Christ or breaking one point and keeping nothing, being a new lump as a little leaven leveneth the whole lump..
1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
"but when I was in a state of backsliding in the 90s I felt no conviction about my continual lust in the flesh and desire to please it that is until early 2002 when the holy ghost told me you're about to experience 1st Corinthians 5 and your flesh will be delivered over to Satan to preserve you for the day of judgment"
Let me explain 1 Corinthians 5 now. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, and it is the Corinthians who had not mourned to take that evil person away from themselves, and believers are to be as told below, without wickedness but in sincerity, and if they did not remove that Wicked doer, it is they who woul not have their spirit saved, and the wicked one not saved at all..
1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Even to blind mockers, they cant miss that this continues the same in the chapter, how you do not keep company with the wicked ( they will not be saved) but put the wicked away OR, we also need to be DESTROYED OUT OF THE WORLD..
1 Corinthians 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
you can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice-- rush song " freewill "
Posted : 29 Jan, 2021 01:20 AM
"in the New Testament, sinners are commanded over and over to “repent” and “believe” (Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Acts 3:19; 1 John 3:23). Every call to repent is a call to choose. The command to believe assumes that the hearer can choose to obey the command
joshua 24:15 choose this day whom you will serve-- sounds like limited free will to me
thoughts thoughts thoughts on this?????? "
Yes thoughts for you.
The people of Israel answered to Joshua, God brought them out of Egypt, and preserved them in the wilderness and that is why they will choose God....
Joshua 24:16 And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the Lord, to serve other gods;
17 For the Lord our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed:
Psalms 78, tells us what HAPPENED NEXT.
They remembered God, but they flattered Him, they lied, their heart was NEVER RIGHT, they COULD NOT BE STEDFAST IN GODS COVENANT.
Israel provoked and tempted God in the wilderness..
Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
36 Nevertheless they did flatter him with their mouth, and they lied unto him with their tongues.
37 For their heart was not right with him, neither were they stedfast in his covenant.
38 But he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath.
39 For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again.
40 How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert!
41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
God cast out the heathen for Israel, but Israel tempted God and KEPT NOT HIS TESTIMONIES
Israel turned back and dealt unfaithfully..
Psalm 78:55 He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents.
56 Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:
57 But turned back, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow.
So Israel lied the moment they said they will choose God, because they were incapable to be in His covenant.
God rejected all but Judah, and chose King David, (Christ) who will feed Jacob His people..
Psalm 78:67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:
68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.
69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.
70 He chose David also his servant, and took him from the sheepfolds:
71 From following the ewes great with young he brought him to feed Jacob his people, and Israel his inheritance.
Speaking more of Christ, His sheep ( as Christ is the Shepherd of the sheep) will not be defiled any more, no more transgressions, but they will be saved and cleansed, so they can be the people of God and He can be their God. They walk in His statutes and DO THEM..
Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Moreover, God makes the covenant of peace with them, the everlasting covenant, and God lives in them forever more..
Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Even the deceiver cant deny, how God found fault with Israels own freewill way, because their freewill is only to do evil.
The new covenant is not according to that way, because they were INCAPABLE OF CONTINUING IN THAT COVENANT , for THEIR HEART WAS NOT RIGHT WITH HIM (NEEDED THE LAW WRITTEN IN THE HEART AND SOFT HEART GIVEN/NEW COVENANT)
Then God puts His laws into our hearts and into our minds, then God is to us a God, and Israel to God as a people..
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
As for repentance, God told Israel to obey, they lied and said yes.
The wicked still lie, and say yes and do mean, NO.
Repentance we see as told above, is in WHO GOD CHOOSES AND NOT IN WHO HE REFUSES..
Psalm 78:67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:
68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
you can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice-- rush song " freewill "
Posted : 1 Feb, 2021 08:23 PM
Really globlet hugging David, that is all you got is to accuse me of using what one poster (parotban or however his name was spelled) stated that pathetic7744 (Richard) was a 'pastor' of a 'church' in Florida, said Richard shaved his head and he was called 'pastor cue ball' then and I use that against
Richard to get him to stop harassing you about your so called 'long hair' and now I'm supposedly a 'liar' now??? Did you forget you wanted Richard
gone from the forum because we would NEVER have Bible discussions with him here?
Lets look at your other accusation that I'm supposedly 'lying' about when you and Moon CLEARLY state that saints will be breaking YHWH's Torah Law (sinning) right up to the point of His return for those same saints! So according to you and Moon, all your kind of 'saints' will be continually sinning and it will be 'ok' as far as your concerned because they cannot help it until they are changed into robots that cannot sin anymore at His second
coming! Is that about right in your self doctrine or can you explain the absurdity to your definition of WHAT a saint actually is David? Can you unpack that for us my sphere worshipping globlet lad?
So where are these supposed lies and supposed 'ignorance' of TRUE Righteousness by FAITH now bubba??? You make it clear your kind of 'saints' will be sinning like pink energizer bunnies that keep going and going and going and going back into sinning! You teach absurdity doctrine dude that you CANNOT prove by the Bible!
you can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice-- rush song " freewill "
Posted : 1 Feb, 2021 08:34 PM
Thanks for posting your testimony rsvp, like I did some of mine, of the years of our sinful PAST, it was great to read! I think other should share more on this forum. Yeah those 'rock and roll' bands of the past pretending to be 'Christians' were soooooo obvious to me and many others then and now, that is REAL Christians today and not fake ones. NOW similar bands are in many so called 'churches' today and growing! My LOST bro is one of them in his baptist 'church' as they are baptized in 'rock and roll' sin every BAAL worship day, SUNday! All we can do is pray for loved ones and friends.
Have you noticed many on this forum like David, Quiznos and Moon NEVER share their victory over the PAST sins in their life??? Obviously you and I are NOT actively going back to the sins of our past and yet sadly that is exactly what David, Quiznos and Moon say we will do until Christ returns??? Is that alarming 'doctrine' that they teach or what AND quite the opposite about what the Bible says that 'all things are possible thru the Father' (which of course is His WORD that became flesh just like us!) in the here and NOW in victory over sin by His POWER! It seems that David, Quiznos and Moon are WEAK in FAITH or perhaps they have pet sins they are not willing to give up yet???
I'm not really getting your 'sins of omission versus sins of commission' because for me in the PAST I always knew by GUILT that I had committed sin by the Father's set apart Holy Spirit when I had cussed, slept around, partied and with hangovers..... ALL made me feel ROTTEN because I knew better as a back sliden 'christian' (raised in church by Christian parents, born again and saved at 13) back then but it went on for longer than it should have!
David here would just PREACH.... AHHH you just was not saved to begin with or you would not have sinned for so long (or something to that teaching) but even Moon knows we can fall back and be lost again, like I certainly was! I'm just glad that YHWH did not give up on me and always made me feel TERRIBLE when I sinned. I think the Bible is clear when we don't hear His set apart Holy Spirit convicting us any longer, when and IF we should elect to sin, its what the Bible calls the unpardonable sin! Would you agree?
So what is this 'sins of omission' that you seem to imply we don't even know about and supposedly are held guilty of being a 'sin' when we are NOT convicted of them??? That is crazy that we would be held accountable for some kind of sin we didn't even know we committed, as I guess I don't understand that logic let alone what the Bible says about it.
Anyway it sounds like you have a WONDERFUL testimony and THANKS for sharing! Its really what this forum should be like, people teaching righteousness by FAITH (that ADAM7777 also PRIMARILY teaches!) and how the saints got VICTORY over their sins by POWER from above in heaven! OR else like you mentioned 1 Corth. chapter 5 in how otherwise we would be 'delivered over to Satan' in our mortal flesh to the 'day of judgment' because we kept on sinning, that is loving our PET sins more than >>>change<<< in VICTORY over them!
RSVP writes - ' we cannot walk in both spirit and flesh and please God lukewarm Christians will not have their place in the kingdom'
AMEN and so true! Its all about CHOOSING righteousness or un-righteousness each and everyday by FAITH! Your right that PAUL makes it CLEAR of his contrast life of before sinning verses conversion thru the sanctification process to perfection (Romans 7:5-25!) and compared with Galations 5 that you mentioned rsvp, that is the 'circumcision' of our hearts (ADAM7777 rightfully keeps teaching!) to the posting of His Torah Law in those fleshy tables of our hearts now, in a better NEW COVENANT instead of carrying those SAME commandments around in the 'ark of the covenant' like of old! Least again or like you say we be like 'backsliding dogs who have gone back to their vomit' unto eventual eternal death, not 'eternal torment' that David strangely teaches!?
Your right again rsvp, the clock is ticking and time is short to get victory over sin before His coming, for His perfected saints! Hmmmmmm.
Those 'bands' sell their 'souls' to the devil for the fame of being on stage! 
I know full well this subject having a family member, my little brother, sell out in his youth and NOW doing the same in his so called 'church' doing the same 'gig' in 'rock and roll' in supposedly changing the lyrics to 'christian' while the same 
OUCH! 
I have always told bro you can't serve two masters but its your FREE WILL who you 'choose this day whom you will serve' to your end! I mean 'christian rock and roll' is like a oxymoron really.... You can clean up a pig and even put lipstick on it but in the end it will waller in the mud and still be a filthy SWINE!!! 
David, and Moonlight here on this forum teach that we are 'predestined' to keep on sinning everyday until the cows come home and even when those cows do come home, persons will just keep on sinning like pink energizer bunnies until the return of Christ! 
Is that COOL or what? 
So it is by their same SELF DOCTRINE they also would call these continual sinners 'saints' at His return, for their will be no difference between atheist and 'christian' because they will all be continually sinning! 
Ooooh but then they have an excuse for that don't they because its OBVIOUS willful sinners don't go to heaven, so they have come up with this play on words that they are not 'PRACTICING' sinning??? 
SAY WHAT??? 
So part time sinners are saved but full time ones are not??? 
YICKS! 
Did you forget you wanted Richard 
