When Jesus lived on earth, did everyone think he was “nice”?
Was Jesus “nice” when he said to those around him asking for healing in Matthew 17:17, “O unbelieving and perverse generation!” Jesus replied. “How long must I remain with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring the boy here to Me.” 18Then Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.“
Although Jesus mercifully and miraculously healed a very sick child, did the people around Jesus who witnessed the healing automatically think Jesus was a really “nice” man who always smiled at people and never said anything hurtful?
All throughout the Bible, God graciously, mercifully and respectfully calls us sinners to repentance. But are attributes like mercy, grace and love always “nice”!!
If I was alive during Jesus‘ ministry on earth, my sinful proud nature would have rebelled at some of the things Jesus said and did. I know that to be true because of things I’ve already said to Jesus when things didn’t turn out the way I wanted.
So very ashamed of those things said and they haunt me to this day.
But Jesus doesn’t owe me “nice”. I’ll settle for his undeserved mercy, his grace and his undying love that some times wounds my snowflake sensitivities
Again Apostle Paul's exhortation to the Corinthians ( and the world) is to present them to Christ chaste, to escape the subtility of the devils corruption, who preach another Jesus..
2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
The deceivers, we saw on this forum, claim Apostle Paul in Romans 7 speaks of himself in present tense and not in the third person.
Here again on 2 Corinthians 11:12, Paul compares himself to the false apostles, to reveal the false way through evil comparison, as deceitful workers, as satan transformed as an angel of light ( but is all darkness) by satans ministers transformed as ministers of righteousness, but their works show they do only unrighteousness and their false preaching is to believe in unrighteousness..
2 Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
False teacher and self-proclaiming sinlessly perfect ie perfectionism heretic (not just me saying, perfectionism IS a historic heresy—check your history).
Nevertheless, unapologetic heretic promoter Adam claims Romans 7 is about Paul “BEFORE” becoming a believer.
But let’s take a look at a few verses from Romans chapter 7.
Romans 7 starting at verse 14
PLEASE NOTE: PAUL IS SPEAKING IN THE PRESENT TENSE—NOT THE PAST TENSE (as Adam ignorantly claims)
VV14 “We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.“
The difference between Paul and Adam is perspective.
Adam makes up his own rules and bypasses the standard rules of literary interpretation.
An elementary level child could understand present tense—see vv20, one example of many used In Romans 7, “Now if I do what I do not want to do...”.
Yet Adam, in his subliminal ignorance thinks Paul is really saying, “in the past, l do what l do not want to do...”.
Question for Adam: If Paul is an in believer here, why does he want so obey God’s law and do good???? Unregenerate persons obviously do not want to obey God’s law!!
When Paul wrote Romans 7 he was already a believer and wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He didn’t write as an unbeliever.
He had already ceased sinning against God in several ways. He was no longer persecuting the church. He did not think of himself as a “perfect” law-keeping self-righteous Pharisee.
Nevertheless, he STILL had a sin nature to control.
Totaling eradicating the sin nature is not possible on this earth and in this life—nope, not possible until death. Everyone except for Adam understands this.
Thus we will always have to confess our daily sin just as Jesus taught us in the Lord’s Prayer.
While Adam thinks he’s sinless and perfect, EVEN the most righteous of all men made confession of sin. See Job, Daniel and Noah!!
Apparently Adam7777 thinks he’s more righteous than these guys!
Here’s what Adam is missing and hers what Job, Daniel and Noah didn’t miss.
No matter how many sins you may have stopped doing there’s always one more you miss. And just when you think you’ve overcome a sin, it tries to reassert itself.
Job, of whom God referred to as the most righteous of all men on earth, still confessed his sin.
Even after his severe testing was over, Job confessed another sin he didn’t even know he had.
Job became aware of his sin as he came closer in relationship to Holy Almighty God.
Sin has a way of showing up more clearly in the presence of pure holiness. In fact, deep study and understanding of the word of God confronts and exposes our hidden sins. But three further away a person is from >>understanding<< the convicting holiness and perfection of God‘s word, the more “perfect” that person thinks he is
"Question for Adam: If Paul is an in believer here, why does he want so obey God’s law and do good???? Unregenerate persons obviously do not want to obey God’s law!!"
Why did the unregenerate Israel want to delight in approaching to God but not according to truth or righteousness or knowledge?
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Isaiah 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.
Isaiah 48:1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.
The answer is, because Apostle Paul also compared evil being present in the inward man, who as Israel delight in the law of God but only after the inward man..
Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Who is brought into captivity to the law of sin when the law of sin is destroyed and we are made free from it, and how can you be free from it when you litledavid are brought into CAPTIVITY, STOP YOUR HYPOCRITICAL CARNAL MOUTH..
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
I should have added, Adam equivocates on the word “delight”.
By the term “equivocation” I’m referring to the logical error of the >>fallacy of equivocation<<
The fallacy of equivocation wrongly cites different applications of word meanings from contrary contexts to prove a false pretext.
Adam committed the fallacy of equivocation by citing the word “delight” from a passage of scripture using the word differently than the verse at hand.
For example, in a Romans 7, Paul “delighted” in God’s word because he wanted to obey it but found he could not.
But ancient Israel feigned “delight” in God word with only their false religious activity ie “going through the motions” without heart
Paul genuinely wanted to obey God, and it pained him to be found lacking. The ancient Israelites, on the other hand, where content with their own righteousness and did not genuinely delight in the love of God or obey him.
They did not confess sin and turn from it in the same way Paul confessed sin, warred against it and turned from it.
