Please Note the Overwhelming Evidence That Disproves the Sinless Perfectionism Heresy That Adam 7777 Hopes You Ignore
Posted : 28 Nov, 2020 09:22 AM
The False Doctrine of Perfectionism
By Monergism
1 John 1:8-10
Introductory Thoughts
· The problem of balance in this doctrinal area
· Extreme Views
Ø First Extreme View: No holiness, or, “Holiness, what is that?” Many in the churches believe that a consistent Christian lifestyle is optional. They believe in conduct-neutral Christianity.
Ø Second extreme view—Perfection (much rarer today)
· The True Doctrine—God is Light è 1 John 1:5
· The First False Doctrine we looked at—Antinomianism è1:6-7. Antinomianism is against all law, is against any ethical requirement for the Christian. It teaches that the evidence of a person’s life is irrelevant.
· The True Alternative Doctrine—1:7
· Now we deal with the false doctrine of perfectionism.
1. First Form of Perfectionism—claiming to have no tendency to sin è John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
a. The Language
(1) In the Greek, this is what is called a Subjunctive sentence, a third class condition—it is an “if, then” statement.
(2) “If we up and say…”, this is the Greek aorist tense—if we have up and said at any time...
(3) “that we do not have sin” (present tense).
(4) What he is saying is: “If we up and say that we live continually in such a way that we have no principle of sin in us....”
(5) Then...We are leading ourselves astray, and The Truth is not in us
b. Extreme views in this area historically
(1) Gnostics—the first cult
(a)Some denied that believers had any principle if sin, therefore, no matter what they did, it could not be considered sin—they actually used this kind of perfectionism as an excuse to sin!
(b) Others taught that a spiritual believer had no sin in their life, so they could live to perfection
(2) Other perfectionists since then have taught that by an act of sanctifying grace, the tendency to sin can be taken away from us in this life.
(3) In contrast to the perfectionist view is the The Carnal Christian Theory, which says that one can live totally in sin, fully surrendered to it, and still be considered a Christian
(4) All of these views are heresy—they are out of balance.
c. The balanced Biblical view is: when we become Christians......
(1) We receive a new nature—2 Cor 5:17
(2) The born again Christian will not practice sin as a style of life.
1 John 2:29 "If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him."
1 John 3:9 "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."
(3) The old man can be reckoned as dead, Sin no longer has the power to dominate us—Rom 6:1-15. Therefore, we should be growing in grace—2 Pet 3:18, progressing in holiness.
(4) This progression in holiness is not optional, it is the normal Christian life. To say that a progression in holiness is OPTIONAL is to state a heresy.
(5) Having said that, because we are still in flesh, we still must struggle against sin, even as we grow in Grace and holiness.
(a)By flesh, we don’t mean the body only, but the mind and soul, our total humanness.
(b) Systematic theologians like to draw very distinct lines on this question, but the Bible does not tell us where our humanity begins and ends and where the new man is.
(c) Our mind and body together remember the pleasures and ways of sin, and this must be put to death daily.
(d) As long as we live with our humanness (which is as long as we are alive) we are in danger of sinning, and must constantly be on our guard to fight against it, and fight against it we must and will
d. But to say that we have no sin, that we are beyond sin, is a heresy
è If a person believes in this kind of perfectionism, this is self deception èThis amounts to NO TRUTH
* (skip verse 9 monentarily, we will come back to it)
2. The Second form of perfectionism—claiming to be sinless in practice è 1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
a. Language
(1) “If”—again, a third class condition sentence
(2) We say—aorist—if we at any time have said
(3) We have not sinned—perfect tense—have not sinned throughout the past.
(4) “...we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us....” This is all in the present tense—if we say that we have not been sinners in practice, we are continually making Him a liar and His word is continually not in us.
b. Perfectionists say that a second work of Grace can “fully sanctify” a person so that they are totally above sin, and they will claim that they live above sin. This is a false doctrine.
(1) Sinless perfection is our goal—but we will never reach that level of holiness in this life
(2) To claim perfection in our lives makes God a liar! Rom 3:9-12, 23, Eph 2:1-3
3. The Remedy for both heresies in chapter 1—the balanced Christian life—1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
a. Language—
(1) Again, a subjunctive sentence, conditional
(2) “...If we confess...” is present tense—if we go on confessing...
(a) The word for confess, ¿ìïëïã§ìåí , means to agree totally with, and to identify with.
(b) When we truly confess, we are saying something about us, and we are saying something about Him.
(c)Rom 10:9-10—when we confess Christ, we confess His Lordship
(d) When we confess that He is our Savior, we are confessing that we need a Savior, that we are sinners.
(e) And this is in the present tense! Our confession is perpetual and constant—we always say to our Father, “God be merciful to me a sinner.”
(3) So, the remedy for the first type of perfectionism-- perpetual repentance. If we are continually confessing to Him, we will not get the idea that we are perfect!
b. “...He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins...”
(1) Language—“...is...” è present tense—continual. Jesus is always faithful and always just.
(2) If we confess Him and His Lordship in our lives èHe is faithful and just to forgive us...What does that mean?
(a) He is faithful
(b) He is just—because the price of redemption has been paid, and because of the propitiation through faith in His blood, God is just and righteous to forgive us—See Romans 3:25-31
(c)To forgive—aorist—we confess continually, the the forgiveness of sins is something that takes place once. When He is our Father, the forgiveness of sins has happened, and God will no longer impute sin to our account—Rom 4:6-8. The sins that a believer commits are sins, but the legal status of the believer is that sins are now a family matter between Father and Son—you can lose fellowship, but never relationship.
(d) “...And to cleanse us from all unrighteousness...”—“...cleanse...” is aorist, so this is again talking about the great transaction that occured at our salvation.
(e) So, here is a strange thing:
(i) Our confession is continual
(ii) Our forgiveness from sin is granted once.
(iii) But back in 1:7, the cleansing was continual—the point is that we are cleansed once from the guilt of sin, then we are cleansed continually from the pollution of sin in our lives, and one day we will be cleansed from the very presence of sin.
Please Note the Overwhelming Evidence That Disproves the Sinless Perfectionism Heresy That Adam 7777 Hopes You Ignore
Posted : 28 Nov, 2020 09:36 AM
littleprophetic, can you see you are left empty, without a word to say, or you cant even look deeper to SEE THAT..
Lots of vain talk from the article, worhtless and predicted:
2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
Get down to the actual words.
Once cleansed from all sin, do we grow to learn ho to not sin, or we learn this immediately?
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
The article has nothing of the right and wrong ways of Christ in context, here a verse and there, that's it, because you want to darken the light.
These three verses included..
1 John 2:29 "If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him."
1 John 3:9 "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."
(3) The old man can be reckoned as dead, Sin no longer has the power to dominate us—Rom 6:1-15. Therefore, we should be growing in grace—2 Pet 3:18, progressing in holiness.
1 John 2:29 is included, mentioning about doing righteousness, but fails to explain what that is.
The circumcision of Christ onto us, the new covenant Gods writes in us, His righteousness of the law, is when anyone born of God does righteousness, otherwise care to explain how you can do any righteousness ?
Romans 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
1 John 3:9 is included, about not continuing to sin, again all the article had to do was continue down to 1 John 3:10, which again shows how the ones who do not do righteousness, who hate their brother, and do not love their brother, do unrighteousness, and this highlights exactly who is not of God..
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
The last mention of scripture in the article has Romans 6:1-15. Nothing talked about these verses in the article, or of any articles, it is biased abut growing and against being perfect. Mans court is corrupt, the lawyers are the most deceiving on earth spinning and accusing and without honesty.
But all we have to do is again see one verse from what this article listed, to reveal yet again the very same description.
1. The ones who do righteousness are born of God, they cannot do any righteousness without being born of God, a person can only do unrighteousness until born of God.
2. Anyone enabled by Christ to do righteousness, does so by the circumcision of Christ, that changes our Spirit, then the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in the ones circumcised through Christ.
3. The ones who have no love of Christ shed into them by the conversion of the Holy Ghost, hate their brother, do unrighteousness against them. This is why the ones who are not given power by Christ to do righteousness are not of God.
4. When made alive from the dead (dead in unrighteousness) you become an instrument (new vessel) of righteousness unto God, as the previous man, creature, plant, was an instrument of unrighteousness.
5. There is growth, but not for the ones without the Love of Christ, the Holy Spirit, the new covenant in the heart, the ones without the Spiritual fear of God, th ones who show they have no understanding or belief in righteousness, they grow nowhere into nothing, what a farce to say DEEPER LOOK, how can the blind look even more blindly.
Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Please Note the Overwhelming Evidence That Disproves the Sinless Perfectionism Heresy That Adam 7777 Hopes You Ignore
Posted : 29 Nov, 2020 03:11 AM
I did learn litleprophetic, I learned to answer better, go and see the complete answer to your article, regarding Romans 7 and 1 John 1. The thread title has your names on it, you cant miss it.
Its long, and seeing as you wrote nothing yourself, being a lazy spirit and without honour, you wont go and see if those things are so. But, if you wanted to know that your attempt is refuted, it is. Also I am grateful for your sloathfulness, it made me research more to honour the Lord, the sluggard is only wise in his own conceit..
Proverbs 26:16 The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.
Proverbs 19:24 A slothful man hideth his hand in his bosom, and will not so much as bring it to his mouth again.
Proverbs 26:15 The slothful hideth his hand in his bosom; it grieveth him to bring it again to his mouth.
Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
Hebrews 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Proverbs 15:28 The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Please Note the Overwhelming Evidence That Disproves the Sinless Perfectionism Heresy That Adam 7777 Hopes You Ignore
Posted : 30 Nov, 2020 01:45 AM
more studying for you moonlight etc..
The Pharisee looks only on the outside appearance, to wash and the hands become filthy again.
God made the inside Pharisees, it is where God dwells.
Having a giving heart from God makes all things cleaned to us.
But Pharisees pass over the judgement and that love of God of giving, making everything superfiscial, sitting high and looking righteous only on the exterior, but inside they are unclean graves. The Pharisee speaks of tithing, but they give nothing sincerely...
Luke 11:38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.
39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
The Pharisee, has been told they are not the plant of God, as they are righteous plants.
If a person has not been planted with a new heart by Christ, out of their heart comes evil thoughts, murder and adultery, fornication, thieving and lying blasphemies. These are what the Pharisee does not consider needs washing,l so they remain uncleansed, the Pharisee does not see, they are the BLIND leaders..
Matthew 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Repeatedly the Pharisee is warned against, they are hypocrites, to pay tithes and seem like giving, but they reject the righteousness of the law, mercy and faith. The BLIND pharisee clean the outside of themselves, and within themselves they are not cleansed of exhortion and excess.
The inside of the cup needs to be cleansed blind pharisee, to take away the exhortion and excess.
The pharisee leaves the heart uncleansed, they hypocritically prefer to be clean superficially, to appear righteous on the outside but inside is an unrighteous uncleansed heart and spirit being FULL OF INIQUITY..
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
I placed the thread about the wicked, so the wicked can see all they do is known and all revealed.
Favour, grace is shown to the wicked, they will not learn righteousness they deal unjustly.
Isaiah 26:10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.
Here is the teaching of righteousness for the pharisee.
If a person cleans only to become filthy again, what does it profit ?
Does saying Christ makes you clean and sees you as clean even when you do evil, hurting others and serving your own lusts, mean you are clean, or mean you cannot learn righteousness?
If you say you have faith but no works, the pharisee claims that saves them.
But the same way as being cleansed superficially is no cleaning as we hear from Christ, to say be fed and warmed is nothing real at all unless you actually do the things for real, which is cleansing the iniquity away..
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Her is that cleansing of the iniquity away, clean water sprinkled onto us, a new heart given to us, a new Spirit given to us, the stony heart of iniquity taken away, to cause us to walk in Gods statutes and to keep and do His judgments now..
Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
This then is not for the pharisees, they cannot even understand what it means to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, to perfect holiness in the fear of God.
WHY ?
Because they deny the new heart of flesh, they deny the Holy Spirit, they deny perfecting, they deny fearing God, they actually deny all..
2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
God predicted the pharisees, the generation pure on the outside but not cleansed by Gods cleansing to the inside as they remain in their filthiness..
Proverbs 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
The pharisee also denies God will destroy all who transgress His righteousness of the law.
WHY?
Because they believe in returning to their vomit, the fool is wise in deceit, but returns to his folly, the superficially wicked are exposed, God speaks peace to His saints but they cannot return again to their folly as the fool does..
Psalm 85:8 I will hear what God the Lord will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.
Proverbs 26:10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Finally the mocking pharisee is rejected by his speaking of great words of vanity, when people are cleansed and escaped from the devil, the devil promises them freedom in Christ. These are servants of sin openly declaring themselves, servants of corruption, and despise the right way to escape from the polluttions of serving sin, and ourselves which is hatred, to tun to Christ with a new cleansed heart and spirit to lay your life down as Christ did with Him in you.
But they turn away from the way of righteousness, the Holy commandment to be Holy with the Holy God, the poharisee turns to his vomit again and his filth..
2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Please Note the Overwhelming Evidence That Disproves the Sinless Perfectionism Heresy That Adam 7777 Hopes You Ignore
Posted : 1 Dec, 2020 09:14 AM
Adam, something else you’re missing.
The Pharisees, who persecuted Jesus and the Apostles, likewise claimed they would never have persecuted the prophets of old like their forefathers did. But their persecutions of Jesus proved their complicity.
Kinda in a similar way, you condemn and accuse people on the forum of being evil Pharisees. But today, it’s not the Pharisees, its you doing the persecuting and you doing the false accusations and associations
To make matters worse, you self-righteously distance yourself from any association with former persecutors just like the Pharisees distanced themselves from the persecutors of old. But your actions on the forum belie your denials, in fact, your posts prove you are one of them
Please Note the Overwhelming Evidence That Disproves the Sinless Perfectionism Heresy That Adam 7777 Hopes You Ignore
Posted : 1 Dec, 2020 11:29 AM
Well I see you are copying and pasting this same old response of yours in THREE other threads and so I will respond the same to expose your reasoning skills and your inconsistancies or complete fairness to others in your judgments on this forum.
Where does it say in the Bible the Pharisees at the time of Christ when he lived in the same 'likeness' of sinful flesh like us YET never CHOSE to sin, knew NO SIN and those Pharisees "would never have persecuted the prophets of old like their forefathers did' as you claim they said? The majority of the Pharisees back then were teaching their righteousness by their added NEW laws just like todays Pharisees (fair-u-see) teach by adding to Scripture what is NOT written!
The truth of the matter David is YOU and others on this forum ARE teaching 'righteousness by sinning' just like the Pharisees of old did BY ADDING to the Scriptures NEW laws that are not found in the Bible dude! Are you blind to the fact that 'churches' today, of one you attend David are teaching that either pagan calendar SUNday or SATURNday is a NEW COVENANT now???
Please Note the Overwhelming Evidence That Disproves the Sinless Perfectionism Heresy That Adam 7777 Hopes You Ignore
Posted : 1 Dec, 2020 11:32 AM
David and friends!
There is no NEW HOLY nor NEW REST day established in the Bible as the supposed new covenant. In fact Isaiah (a PROPHET for future events!) contradicts and corrects you David that "Judaism" as you claim is just gone away and done, we therefore don't have a 7th DAY SABBATH REST anymore according to you??? REALLY David?
Isaiah 66:23 (KJV) 'And >>>it shall come to pass,<<< that from one new moon to another, and >>>from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.<<<
So what are the worship days David NOW and IN THE FUTURE?????????????????????????
So when Adam or I correct you David, then you cry we are 'persecuting' you and making 'false accusations' toward you when its obvious by Scripture you teach false doctrine and new laws like the Pharisees of old and your modern ' Pharisees' of new that you worship because you give them authority over you!
So you claim Adam is proving the same of some of the Pharisees of old that added to Scripture and his 'actions' prove that? Adam is not in 'denial' of Sabbath truth, so Adam certainly is NOT even a MODERN Pharisee that teaches there is a NEW HOLY REST DAY, now does he?
Yet David you prove to be a MODERN Pharisee that teaches a NEW man made law of what day we should cease from our labors as Father YHWH did from His at the end of Creation WEEK and Christ did from His during His earthly ministry and sacrifice for our sins on the pole/tree!
Your actions on the forum David and your posts prove you are one of the MODERN day Pharisees dude!
Please Note the Overwhelming Evidence That Disproves the Sinless Perfectionism Heresy That Adam 7777 Hopes You Ignore
Posted : 1 Dec, 2020 04:54 PM
FLAT TEDDY !!!!!!!!
My favorite edge runner!!!!!
Do you have any harrowing close encounters on the flat earth’s edge??
I mean like, have ya seen any mermaids riding unicorns being chased by the Emperor Palpatine (aka Darth Sidious)??? I hope you did a heroic Luke Skywalker and saved her from that big bad villain.
Wait a minute, were there any Flat Earthers in any of the Star Wars episodes???
Well, never mind that
But anyway Flat Teddy, if ya do encounter good O’Palpatine on one of your excursions just tell him you’re from the real flat earth and yer here to save the maiden.
Now ya gota do this right Teddy or you lose.
Ok, listen up—ya gota get this one right!!
When you approach Darth, DON’T challenge him to a dual.
Just tell him you believe in the flat earth, that’s step one.
Next, when you tell him the earth is flat, he will immediately break into uncontrolled laughter.
Teddy, this is your big chance!!! DON’T BLOW IT!!!
If you blow this one, you may never get another chance to defeat O’Darth and save the damsel.
Ok, are ya with me Teddy!!??
Very important
While big bad Darth is laughin’ up a storm at ya for saying the earth is flat, just toss a chocolate after dinner mint at his helmet.
The mint will mess up his brain waves and he’ll think you’re the Flat Earth Force!!
Next thing Teddy, lower your voice and command Darth to leave your planet.
Teddy I guarantee ya’s—O’Darth will disappear faster than a pack a TP in the middle of covid!!