ARE THE ONES BORN OF THE FLESH ALSO BORN OF THE SPIRIT?
Posted : 24 Nov, 2020 02:37 AM
The world turns to the Lord God, when He became the governor (Christ)
They WORSHIP Him, declaring Christs righteousness, the people that are BORN..
Psalm 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.
29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
Job, from God, asks about man born of a woman, can he be clean, should he be righteous.
Can man be justified with God, how can he be clean that is born of a woman ?
Job 15:14 What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?
Job 25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
The Gospel tells us, John the baptist was the greatest born among women. But the least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater then that..
Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Christ born of a woman did come to Israel but they are not the remnant or the children of the spirit.
The ones who were enabled to receive Him, were given power to become the sons of God, blievinging on His name is not born of blood, nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God..
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jesus came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, to repent and to believe.
The world did turn to God to worship Him, but they should repent and do works meet for repentance..
Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Jesus taught how to enter the Kingdom of God is to be born of water and Spirit
Those born of the flesh, are flesh.
Those born of the Spirit, are Spirit..
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus taught about the ones worshipping God.
They worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth, as God is a Spirit
You need the Spirit to know who to believe in. The spirit of man knows man, but the Spirit of God given to believe in Him knows God (no man knows the Father but the Son and who He reveals Him to )
Now we are not in the flesh when worshipping in the Spirit, to know and believe in God.
Worshipping God in the Spirit having nothing in the flesh rejoicing in Christ Jesus with His circumcision.
The circumcision made without hands to make us dead to sins in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh..
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Confessing our sins to be forgiven and cleansed from all unrighteousness, from the flesh we are born into..
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Believing in Christ rising knowing He is righteous, doing righteousness being born of Him..
1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Those born of God do not commit sin, and cannot sin, because they are born of God (being born in the flesh has ceased ended, and gone) ..
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The beloved love one another, every one that loves is born of God and knows God..
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
Believing that Jesus is the Christ (risen with us from the flesh ) is now born of God ( the Spirit) loving God and loving the Father and the Son.
Christ overcame the world, and all those born of God overcome the world, through faith. Only those who believe that Jesus is the risen Son of God begotten from the dead overcome the world..
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
We know all those born of God sin not, but the ones begotten of God ( as the Son only begotten of the Father ) keep themselves by the power of God from wickedness any more touching them ( now they are not flesh but Spirit)
The world still remains in it's wickedness, the Son of God came and gave better understanding,, knowing He is true, being in Him that is true, in Christ, the true God, by keeping ourselves from idols..
1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Seeing we have purified our souls in obeying the truth, through the Spirit, real love of the brothers, with a pure heart.
Being born again is not of corruptible seed, it is born again of incorruptible by the word of God, the living word and for ever..
1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
The first man is earthly, the second is the Lord from Heaven.
The earthly do earthly ways, the Heavenly do Heavenly.
We were born to the image of the earthly, so we bear the image of the Heavenly.
Flesh does not inherit the Kingdom of God, corruption does not inherit corruption..
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
The one born after the flesh, persecute those born after the Spirit.
The ones on bondage are not heirs.
The ones free are the heir, Christ made us fee and we do notr be entangled again with the yoke of bondage, we syand fast ion Christ..
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Jesus tells us truly, all who commit sin are the servants of sin.
The servants of sin die, the Son of righteousness abides for ever.
The Son makes us free from sin indeed.
The ones who have no place in them for the Sons word, seek to kill the WORD.
Jesus speaks what the Father is, the world does what they see with their father (all those still carnal, walking as men, in the flesh)..
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
ARE THE ONES BORN OF THE FLESH ALSO BORN OF THE SPIRIT?
Posted : 25 Nov, 2020 12:51 PM
Adam, you keep avoiding my question. It’s a simple question.
When did you last confess a sin? I’m not asking you to name a sin, just when did you last make a confession? Judging by your post it shoulda been today for several sins plus the ones you haven’t posted
ARE THE ONES BORN OF THE FLESH ALSO BORN OF THE SPIRIT?
Posted : 25 Nov, 2020 01:33 PM
Every one (many on the wide path to destruction) who do evil, hate the LIGHT, but the ones (few on the narrow path) who do truth (not evil) go to the LIGHT, to be made manifest their DEEDS (good deeds) are made by God..
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Then the ones following God can have no fellowship with the unfruitful workers of darkness, but reprove them.
It is a shame to speak of what the evil workers do in secret in Gods name Holy name.
They are made manifest by the light, light makes all clear..
Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
The ones who consider Christ is the minister of sin, (many workers of iniquity) are the SERVANTS OF SIN, THEY ARE FREE FROM RIGHTEOUSNESS, THEY HAVE NO FRUIT AND ARE NOT ASHAMED TO CONFESS TH EVIL THEY DO, INSISTING THEY WILL NEVER CEASE TO DO THE EVIL WE ARE TESTIFIED TO BE ASHAMED OF. THEY ALSO INSIST YOU ARE THE SAME AS THEM, TO BE ENTANGLED IN SIN AND REFUSE TO READ GODS TESTIMONIES PROVING THEY ARE DOMINATED AND CAPTIVATED BY SIN INSTEAD OF FREED, THEY HAVE DECLARED WHO AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN BY DENYING CHRIST IN WORKS OF EVIL..
Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath CEASED FROM SIN;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein THEY THINK IT STRANGE THAT YE RUN NOT WITH THEM TO THE SAME EXCESS OF RIOT SPEAKING EVIL OF YOU:
ARE THE ONES BORN OF THE FLESH ALSO BORN OF THE SPIRIT?
Posted : 26 Nov, 2020 06:35 AM
This one thing Apostle Paul confessed against the same empty spirited false accusing heretics:
Acts 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.
ARE THE ONES BORN OF THE FLESH ALSO BORN OF THE SPIRIT?
Posted : 26 Nov, 2020 10:34 AM
being perfect with your God is Gods word, does the Spirit of Christ haste His own words or the devil does ?
Matthew 6:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
ARE THE ONES BORN OF THE FLESH ALSO BORN OF THE SPIRIT?
Posted : 26 Nov, 2020 11:02 AM
yes the counsel of God is shared, and if anyone learned anything along with me as I love learning how the ones who blaspheme Gods Holy name by hating instead of loving, reject the testimony of Christ against themselves, only fighting with each other, not setting out the Gospel themselves for us all to learn from, and be encouraged to lay our lives down, to start to walk the narrow suffering path, it stops the talk when you can hardly walk.
Walls of scripture are the walls you cannot climb to get into Heaven, they were the way in and when rejected they are your block.
Out of context, is when your context has no feelings towards Christ, to give His precious blood for you, then when you decide to not consider all about following Him Holy, the guilt of the blood is on the head instead.
The only hope was to find a loop hole in scripture, such as the word grace, forgiveness, confession of sin, faith.
But when its predicted this fallen world turns Gods grace into lust, they fail the grace of God.
Forgiveness always had a condition, to also forgive. Do unto others as you would have them do to you, and when you do evil to others, and they are returning evil for you, you never believed in forgiveness from sin.
Confessing sin is not because it is Holy, confessing sin is because the evil inside is hidden away, now God made all brought outside into the light. Then with a good conscience given, the person can examine what it is they excused themselves to do against others, and they hate what they do and turn away from it. Others never confess in a good conscience, and keep it inside, hidden away, and claim forgiveness and grace covers them.
Faith is the last word claim the lost world of wide path followers follow, their desire is to be saved, faith is in themselves, they never knew the faith of Christ, this is to lay your life down and die, they never die to sin, they keep that faith alive.
ARE THE ONES BORN OF THE FLESH ALSO BORN OF THE SPIRIT?
Posted : 26 Nov, 2020 11:21 AM
Adam, Paul is obviously not claiming sinless perfectionism.
When a person becomes a Christian he is made perfect” in the eyes of God in heaven (this is called justification). Jesus’ perfect life has been transferred to the person while the person’s sinful life has been transferred to Jesus who bore the penalty for the person’s sin.
But while living on earth, a justified (saved) person still lives in his sinful flesh, in other words, the justified person still has a sin nature. This is what Paul speaks about in Romans 7 and in other places
The justified person, while living on earth, is being brought through a process known as “sanctification” (a training and discipline in righteousness).
Only when a person has died and is glorified will he become completely perfect.
Your error is believing that you are now sinless an perfect even while living in your sinful body and even while you continue to sin as evidenced in your posts.
You constantly disprove your false teaching (sinless perfectionism) by displaying your sin for all to see on the forums
ARE THE ONES BORN OF THE FLESH ALSO BORN OF THE SPIRIT?
Posted : 26 Nov, 2020 11:25 AM
here is Romans 7 and sanctification:
Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
When dead to the law you serve in newness of Spirit, the old man is dead with his deeds, sin has no dominion over you:, now are not under the law, but under grace.
Psalm 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Psalm 119:133 Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.
Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Your words are you still in with a sin nature, because you reject the testimony of sin ceasing to have dominion over us. Also you do the evil, and do no good, as you think Romans 7 speaks of being freed from sin and still serving sin.
