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Posted : 21 Nov, 2020 03:54 PM
Truth be told, Flat Teddy is just another innocent victim of a god hate conspiracy to make Christians and the Bible look foolish by claiming both teach a flat earth.
Another common flat earth myth assumes the ancients believed in a flat earth.
The fact is, very few believed that kind of quackery just like few do today.
There have always been a sorta nutcase fringe beholden to quackery and myths and outer-limit conspiracy theories ever since the beginning of time.
Here’s a helpful article that sheds some historical light
Who Invented the Flat Earth?
Originally published in Creation 16, no 2 (March 1994): 48-49.
Evolutionists often falsely accuse creationists of believing in a flat Earth. But neither history nor modern scholarship supports the claim that Christians ever widely believed that the Earth was flat. And the Bible doesn’t teach it.
Christianity has often been accused of opposing science and hindering technology throughout history by superstitious ignorance. However, a closer study of historical facts shows that this accusation is ill-founded.
In his book The Discovers, author Daniel Boorstin stated: ‘A Europe-wide phenomenon of scholarly amnesia … afflicted the continent from AD 300 to at least 1300. During those centuries Christian faith and dogma suppressed the useful image of the world that had been so slowly, so painfully, and so scrupulously drawn by ancient geographers’.1
Christianity has often been held responsible for promoting the flat Earth theory. Yet it was only a handful of so-called intellectual scholars throughout the centuries, claiming to represent the Church, who held to a flat Earth. Most of these were ignored by the Church, yet somehow their writings made it into early history books as being the ‘official Christian viewpoint’.
Lactantius
The earliest of these flat-Earth promoters was the African Lactantius (AD 245–325), a professional rhetorician who converted to Christianity mid-life.
He rejected all the Greek philosophers, and in doing so also rejected a spherical Earth. His views were considered heresy by the Church Fathers and his work was ignored until the Renaissance (at which time some humanists revived his writings as a model of good Latin, and of course, his flat Earth view also was revived).
Cosmas Indicopleustes and Church Fathers
Next was sixth century Eastern Greek Christian, Cosmas Indicopleustes, who claimed the Earth was flat and lay beneath the heavens (consisting of a rectangular vaulted arch). His work also was soundly rejected by the Church Fathers, but liberal historians have usually claimed his view was typical of that of the Church Fathers.
Many such historians have simply followed the pattern of others without checking the facts. In fact, most of the Church Fathers did not address the issue of the shape of the Earth, and those who did regarded it as ‘round’ or spherical.
Washington Irving and Rip Van Winkle
In 1828, American writer Washington Irving (author of Rip Van Winkle) published a book entitled The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus. It was a mixture of fact and fiction, with Irving himself admitting he was ‘apt to indulge in the imagination’.
Its theme was the victory of a lone believer in a spherical Earth over a united front of Bible-quoting, superstitious ignoramuses, convinced the Earth was flat. In fact, the well-known argument at the Council of Salamanca was about the dubious distance between Europe and Japan which Columbus presented — it had nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.
Later writers repeated the error
In 1834, the anti-Christian Letronne falsely claimed that most of the Church Fathers, including Augustine, Ambrose and Basil, held to a flat Earth. His work has been repeatedly cited as ‘reputable’ ever since.
In the late nineteenth century, the writings of John William Draper and Andrew Dickson White were responsible for promoting the myth that the church taught a flat Earth. Both had Christian backgrounds, but rejected these early in life.
Englishman Draper convinced himself that with the downfall of the Roman Empire the ‘affairs of men fell into the hands of ignorant and infuriated ecclesiastics, parasites, eunuchs and slaves’ — these were the ‘Dark Ages’. Draper’s work, History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874), was directed particularly against the Roman Church, and was a best seller.
Meanwhile White (who founded Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States), published the two-volume scholarly work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom, in 1896. Both men incorrectly portrayed a continuing battle through the Christian era between the defenders of ignorance and the enlightened rationalists. In fact, not only did the church not promote the flat Earth, it is clear from such passages as Isaiah 40:22 that the Bible implies it is spherical. (Non-literal figures of speech such as the ‘four corners of the Earth’ are still used today.)
Encyclopedias erase the myth
While many will have lost their faith through the writing of such men as Irving, Draper and White, it is gratifying to know that the following encyclopædias now present the correct account of the Columbus affair: The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1985), Colliers Encyclopædia (1984), The Encyclopedia Americana (1987) and The World Book for Children (1989).
There is still a long way to go before the average student will know that Christianity did not invent or promote the myth of the flat Earth.
Author: Adapted by Ian Taylor for Creation Science Association of Ontario, Feature No. 30, from the book Inventing the Flat Earth: Columbus & Modern Historians (ISBN 027595904X), by history professor Jeffrey Burton Russell. Summarized by Paula McKerlie. Further modified March 2004.
For detailed Biblical analysis refuting sceptical charges, see other articles under Q&A: Countering the Critics: Does the Bible really teach a flat Earth?
Footnotes
Boorstin acknowledges in his book that by the time of Columbus, most educated Europeans believed in a spherical Earth.
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Posted : 22 Nov, 2020 03:47 AM
Pity dasvidnos cant have sense in front of anyone.
This earth is finished, it has no righteousness in it, it has earthly talk as littlenos here now, talking about the earths shape, as that is his wisdom.
That is earthly wisdom that is not Heavenly, earthly and devlish..
James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Looking at nothing here like davidnos shows he can only do, and the true conversation is in Heaven only..
Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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Posted : 22 Nov, 2020 10:36 AM
Adam here are just a few more easy questions to add to the other simple ones you haven’t been able to answer.
Adam, I’ve asked you this before: do you also believe, like most loyal disciple, Flat Earth Teddy, that the earth is a flat disc ?
Adam, why are you so tight lipped about answering questions ?
Adam, as a reminder, you still haven’t come clear on the meaning of biblical salvation. Why is that ?
Yet, you believe you’re sinless and perfect even though separated from your wife. Are you at least seeking biblical restoration with her ? Why would a woman want to separate from a “sinless” husband ?
What is your fellowship with other believers like ? Do you have fellowship with other believers ?
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Posted : 23 Nov, 2020 08:56 PM
David states - 'Truth be told, Flat Teddy is just another innocent victim of a god hate conspiracy to make Christians and the Bible look foolish by claiming both teach a flat earth.'
Really David ? Is that all you got of your dreamy hallucinations, that it is all about 'hate' of YHWH just because the Bible describes the earth as stationary and that it does not move, has 4 corners, is enclosed by a firmament said in Genesis and MUCH more. You are a FOOL to claim YHWH hangs people upside down in Australia but they don't know it and you are an insult to YHWH and His creation! You believe that the earth is NOT billions of years old and yet you hold the hand of secular men that also teach the stars are millions of' 'light years' away, many times the size of the earth! Claiming there is therefore 'outer space' and 'galaxies' etc etc. Your really quite ignorant David and sadly lost to discovering truth!
David states - 'Another common flat earth myth assumes the ancients believed in a flat earth.'
Its real simple junior, 'ancients believed' in a lot of things, so what does that have to do with the Bible and its description of what the earth looks like? Its real simple David, just show me and others BY THE BIBLE just what does the earth look like then, since you are soooo obsessed in always bringing it up! I mean thread after thread you talk about it but never once, not one single verse, that says the earth moves, spins, or that water can possibly be bent or curved on a ball and of course the sun never moves as you was taught in your secular schools! Where does the Bible say the sun never moves and only the earth does???
David states - 'The fact is, very few believed that kind of quackery just like few do today.'
So what you just said is the narrow path (very few) are the 'quacks' (just like few) and the majority (secular) today are on the wide path to destruction! Correct?
It is what it is.... today David that it is simply a myth that the earth is a ball, spins and you can hang things on the side of it, even things upside down on the bottom of it! LOL! Its a myth for morons! And scientist or SERIOUS school students knows gravity (grabbity) is a theory and so it is with the spinning ball for idiots! LMBO!
Say David you never did answer your classmate at your class reunion when he asked you - 'if you was to drill a hole thru the middle of the so called ball shaped earth you claim to live on and then jumped through that hole, would you come out the other side feet first?'
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Posted : 23 Nov, 2020 09:05 PM
David writes - 'Adam, I’ve asked you this before: do you also believe, like Teddy, that the earth is a flat disc?'
Hey Einstein David, no real flat (except for hills and valleys) earth-er believes the earth is a 'disc' so you must be getting your info from the jesuit flat earth society that was created to discount the intelligent flat (except for hills and valleys) earth-ers that have done the experiments and know what it looks like!
Adam has no interest in your secular round ball you think you live on junior, so what is there to 'believe' in since Adam knows the Bible says NOTHING about a ball shaped earth as you dream up???
David writes - Adam, as a reminder, you still haven’t come clear on the meaning of biblical salvation. Why is that?'
In many threads and posts Adam has given 'the meaning of biblical salvation' to those who continue in Righteousness by FAITH to continue to be saved! How did you miss them ALL???
David writes - Yet, you believe you’re sinless and perfect even though separated from your wife. Are you at least seeking biblical restoration with her ? Why would a woman want to separate from a “sinless” husband?
Hey Einstein David, Neither Adam nor I have said we was sinless, that is your accusation and hallucination! Got it junior! Just because he posts Scripture that clearly states saints will be sinless (righteous) at His return, in NO WAY is he claiming your self dreams David and unfounded accusations! He is claiming the promises of the Bible to be found RIGHTEOUS at His return for His saints that WILL be perfect just as the Bible says! Being 'separated from his wife' is not a sin David and so you Scripture for that??? How can he 'seek biblical restoration with her' if she just up and left like many women do today? Do you know his situation? That's what I thought! You really are pathetically nosy aren't you?
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Posted : 23 Nov, 2020 09:17 PM
David, Its quite clear to me at this point by the way you comment and judge that since you believe in continual sinning, that that is the reason you are not married because you cannot find a woman that loves her sins as much as you do yours!
So what are you saying David, that it is impossible for the saints to keep all the ten commandments and have the testimony?
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Posted : 25 Nov, 2020 01:10 PM
FlatTeddyThug, thanks for helping defend your cherished leader Adam. But you’re right, Adam needs lots of help and we all appreciate you helping the needy of wisdom. But if all the help Adam can get comes from you—then please recall the proverb about the blind leading the blind FlatTeddyThugs, nice try giving away all those rediculas myths you believe about the flat earth but you gave me only incoherent statements and Bible verses far removed from their original contexts and original meaning.
Just a remainder, I asked for PROOFS for your beloved flat earth, I didn’t ask for your feelings.
Here’s a hint for ya FlatTeddyThugs, see if you can find any inspired writer using the verses you abused to prove a flat earth
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Posted : 26 Nov, 2020 06:26 AM
Its real simple with me David, if you want to disrespect and get nowhere in understanding ANYTHING, then keep disrespecting me and others and talking 'smack' talk which is just another distraction from learning truth that you do NOT like obviously, so that's why you DO IT! I'm the nicest guy you will ever meet but abuse others when your wrong and I will OWN YOU verbally, its then you will feel my wrath! Ha! You will lose every time! LOL! Now with that said and understood, you have once again established the 'smack down chat, so lets continue your example, shall we! I want to be certain I'm damaging your other cheek! LMBO!
GlobeHeadDavid, thanks for confirming that once again Adam has OWNED you by your traditionalism and man made corrupted theology from your 'church' and dad Richard7744 and support from your son Dizzy Quizzy. Its always good when you finally meet the MASTER of study over yourself, then you are humbled and you make it obvious when you cannot break down his teachings because you use the traditional distraction method like, what you mother thinks, or the wife thing, your dog etc etc. But don't forget that your son Diz Quiz has that voice in his head that does not know tenses and verbs, remember? So he is not a very reliable source of 'divine' instruction, ok? Once again then you are right that the proverb really is about you German Shepard that helps you cross the street, that really just applies to you! Caution though! Because he may not be the trained dog you think he is and you trust in him, OK? Death because of your 'traditional theology ' dog could be sooner than you think! YICKS!
And you are correct also that your 'ridiculous myths' as you call your beliefs that people are hanging upside down in Australia and people are standing sideways on your beloved globlet earth god you worship are really quite that, just MYTHS that you cannot support with ANY Bible verses! You see that's really all that counts is what the Bible says on the shape of the earth and you THINK that is the first place you would go but NOOOOOO you go BACK to your secular atheist mythological teachers! Its real simple, that because you are obsessed with supporting your globlet (blob) model, then DO SO with the Bible, OK? You should be able to prove easily what it looks like with the Bible and your son diz Quiz can help you with the verbs and tenses! COOL! You see? Oh and if the so called 'Bible verses (are) far removed from their original contexts and original meaning(s)' then show everyone here that is so instead of talking your trash juvenile smack talk, OK?. Continue to distract and nobody learns anything, OK?
Oh OOOOH! Just remember I'm asking for PROOFS for your beloved flat globlet (blob) model earth, and CERTAINLY NOT your hallucinations from your college books that have NOT been proven and so are just 'feelings' unfounded on ZERO facts.
So get to the point, show some or any inspired writers of the Bible that says the earth moves, spins and things are glued to it with this 'Houdini gravity' god that the Bible supposedly describes according to you and your faithful secular disciple teachers from your Illuminati schools , OK?
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Posted : 26 Nov, 2020 09:34 AM
FlatTeddyThugs of the Flat Earth Comedy Show, l realize focusing on your feelings is most important to you because they make people laugh but when are you going to get serious and start focusing on the facts??🤔
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Posted : 26 Nov, 2020 09:35 AM
FlatTeddyThugs of the Flat Earth Comedy Show, l realize focusing on your feelings is most important to you because they make people laugh but when are you going to get serious and start focusing on the facts??🤔
You believe that the earth is NOT billions of years old and yet you hold the hand of secular men that also teach the stars are millions of' 'light years' away, many times the size of the earth! 
Claiming there is therefore 'outer space' and 'galaxies' etc etc. 
Your really quite ignorant David and sadly lost to discovering truth! 
I mean thread after thread you talk about it but never once, not one single verse, that says the earth moves, spins, or that water can possibly be bent or curved on a ball and of course the sun never moves as you was taught in your secular schools! 
Where does the Bible say the sun never moves and only the earth does??? 
Got it junior! Just because he posts Scripture that clearly states saints will be sinless (righteous) at His return, in NO WAY is he claiming your self dreams David and unfounded accusations! 
Being 'separated from his wife' is not a sin David and so you Scripture for that??? 
I want to be certain I'm damaging your other cheek! LMBO! 
Caution though! Because he may not be the trained dog you think he is and you trust in him, OK? 
YICKS!
Its real simple, that because you are obsessed with supporting your globlet (blob) model, then DO SO with the Bible, OK?