To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 04:31 AM
Adam, Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life, are these achieved by obeying the law, or by FAITH in Yashua alone.
Give your answer with Scripture in its context, if you understand what context is.
To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 07:25 AM
"Adam, Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life, are these achieved by obeying the law, or by FAITH in Yashua alone."
As told, we believe in Christ which justifies us in all things, from which we could not be justified by the law of Moses, as we continued to have conscience of sins..
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Now we are delivered from the law, which we were dead where we were held, to now serve in newness of Spirit, no longer in the oldness of the letter and failing to do the law...
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Nobody can keep the righteousness of the law unless they believe in the righteousness of Christ, delivered for our offences and raised again for our justification, otherwise as told they are judged as transgressors of the law, (nobody who breaks the law can judge another who also transgresses the law, but the ones who fulfill the law through Christ judge them all)..
Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
We know Christ not because we invited Him to be our Savior, but because the Savior sought us out, to know the power of His resurrection, His sufferings to be made conformable to His death, to attain the resurrection of the dead..
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Always bearing about in our body the dying of the Lord Jesus, to show the life of Jesus ( our Lord) in our body..
2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
Breaking the righteousness of the law is showing the life of satan in our body
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Disobeying the righteousness of the law is obeying the unrighteousness of satan.
Belief in satan alone is to do no righteousness, and belief in Christ is to be ASHAMED OF THE EVIL YOU DID (OR STILL DO AS QUIZNOS/LITTLE) TO OTHERS WITHOUT EVER CEASING.
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 09:21 AM
Good grief Quiz, are you EVER going to show WHERE ADAM is posting out of context as you hilariously assume with no proof?
And Quiz, all throughout ADAM's post he never claimed he nor us was under the LAW, because if he was he or us, would be a transgressors then! ONLY transgressors are “under the Law” when they break it and the penalty is death not “eternal torment' as Richard7744 and LittleDavid claims come judgment day!
For example ADAM posts his comment and supported by verse!
'Now we are delivered from the law, which we were dead where we were held, to now serve in newness of Spirit, no longer in the oldness of the letter and failing to do the law...'
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
You see Quiz Adam clearly says 'we are delivered from the law' because at one time before being converted, born again, we were breaking it, ' we were dead where we were held' as prisoners unto death for breaking it but now as we are 'delivered from' the penalty of death 'the law' that brings to those 'held' under it who continually break it.
But now as saints we now 'serve in newness' by His set apart Holy Spirit that lives in us and guides us from ever breaking the Torah Law, not ' failing to do the law' ever again as saints! You see?
So now that we are in newness by His set apart Holy Spirit, do we go on to break His commandments on a daily basis!? YHWH, forbid as Paul says!
To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 10:21 AM
Hugs,
When did you completely stop lying, stealing, coveting, lusting, seeing the needs of others and just pass by them.
How about cursing, complaining about anything or anyone, do you bless everyone that is against you, do you obey every law that man has placed in this country.
Where are your peace offerings, or trespass offerings.
Do you give 10% of everything GOD Almighty has bestowed to you.
The list goes on and on.
We serve GOD Almighty by FAITH, in the power of His HOLY Spirit, the 3rd person within the TRIUNE GODHEAD.
Messiah, not the law is the standard GOD Almighty uses to measure everyone by, and everyone falls short, that is why, it is by Grace thru faith that a person is saved, not by the law.
It is by Grace thru Faith that a person is forgiven, justified, sanctified, holy and righteous, by that same Grace Messiah continually keeps, protects a person.
To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 10:55 AM
"When did you completely stop lying, stealing, coveting, lusting, seeing the needs of others and just pass by them."
when the testimony is given to believe in or reject:
Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
"How about cursing, complaining about anything or anyone, do you bless everyone that is against you, do you obey every law that man has placed in this country."
how do you inherit a blessing if you reject it by cursing ? do you not know that is what the few are called to ?
1 Peter 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
"Where are your peace offerings, or trespass offerings."
tithes payed in Abraham, by faith
do you not believe in being forgiven all tresspasses once for all..
Hebrews 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
"Do you give 10% of everything GOD Almighty has bestowed to you."
Jesus gave all, if a person gives 10 percent or even less, they ave other examples to follow for their faith, so many billions of examples of people greedy of gain and do not know the opposite way is godliness
1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
"Messiah, not the law is the standard GOD Almighty uses to measure everyone by, and everyone falls short, that is why, it is by Grace thru faith that a person is saved, not by the law.
It is by Grace thru Faith that a person is forgiven, justified, sanctified, holy and righteous, by that same Grace Messiah continually keeps, protects a person."
falling short means not and never justified, otherwise what has changed for you with God, nothing but words, no actual differences of how to love others before yourself in the power of God, as per His example on earth which you deny by not following the same
is this still you quiznoslittle/moon?
Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
All you have done is testify you are not glorified by God to stop falling short, and still have no fear of God?
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 11:07 AM
That is a good question for yourself Quiz - 'When did you completely stop lying, stealing, coveting, lusting, seeing the needs of others and just pass by them, about cursing, complaining about anything or anyone, do you bless everyone that is against you' ???
And if you continue in those sins you cannot be saved from the penalty of them which is death! Because there is no more sacrifice offered for you because you love your sin too much to give it up! Are you confessing here because I don't see anyone else saying they do those things you claim nor have you provided proof they are! Another assumption just like your breaking of the Sabbath you claim is 'bondage' to keep each week of SEVEN DAYS not SIX as you claim now Quiz! Are you ready to repent of breaking that one also Quiz? What is the whole conclusion of the whole matter Quiz but the keeping of all TEN of His Commandments! Correct?
Quiz states - 'do you obey every law that man has placed in this country'
I'm not subject to mans law that is in contradiction to YHWH's Law! So what is your point?
Quiz states - 'Where are your peace offerings, or trespass offerings.'
Quiz are you really that ignorant dude??? All those offerings >>>pointed<<< to the coming Messiah in the OT and have been fulfilled in Messiah! Good grief, you are so ignorant of the new covenant in Christ!
And on and on you go in your post
You go on to claim a '3rd person' that you cannot see? Tell me, when YHWH the Father returns with Yah'shua His WORD, that He Himself made flesh, sitting on His right hand side, then who is sitting on His left hand side Quiz! Ooooh no, where is this '3rd person' you claim now???
No the Messiah, is NOT the law but he kept it and just like David owned you in another thread, the TORAH LAW is His 100% standard of government and righteousness 'to measure everyone by' as you correctly stated, yet fail to understand! Everyone that CHOOSES to fall short of obeying that TORAH LAW by FAITH and NOT tapping into His POWER (Grace) to be saved, is not keeping the law and continues to sin! They are lost!
Quiz writes - 'It is by Grace thru Faith that a person is forgiven, justified, sanctified, holy and righteous, by that same Grace Messiah continually keeps, protects a person.'
So what are you implying Quiz, that we have permission to keep on sinning now because 'Messiah continually keeps, protects a person' while they are yet living in sin? That would be weak 'protection' you claim would it not Quiz? Are you in bondage of sin Quiz?
Oh and once again you claim only one of your 'trinity' is 'GOD Almighty' and the rest of your 'gods' are not 'almighty' Quiz??? So they are not all equal Quiz? That is rather a strange doctrine and can you support that by Scripture??? Not hardly!
To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 01:51 PM
Disobeying the righteousness of the law is obeying the unrighteousness of satan.
Adam states:
Belief in satan alone is to do no righteousness, and belief in Christ is to be ASHAMED OF THE EVIL YOU DID (OR STILL DO AS QUIZNOS/LITTLE) TO OTHERS WITHOUT EVER CEASING.
Quiznos Adam, where did you pull this from, your back pocket.
You continue to teach PERFECTIONISM which cannot be found in the Scriptures.
To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 15 Nov, 2020 03:09 PM
Hugs these are your words:
No the Messiah, is NOT the law but he kept it and just like David owned you in another thread, the TORAH LAW is His 100% standard of government and righteousness 'to measure everyone by' as you correctly stated, yet fail to understand! Everyone that CHOOSES to fall short of obeying that TORAH LAW by FAITH and NOT tapping into His POWER (Grace) to be saved, is not keeping the law and continues to sin! They are lost!
Quiznos: Now let us begin to unravel what you twisted about what i posted.
Hugs says: No the Messiah, is NOT the law but he kept it and just like David owned you in another thread, the TORAH LAW is His 100% standard of government and righteousness 'to measure everyone by' as you correctly stated, yet fail to understand!
Quiznos: Hugs, i never said the law was the measurement by which GOD Almighty judges a person by, i said Yashua is the measurement by which each person is to be judged and everyone falls short, even you and adam.
Tbat is why Messiah went to the cross.
Hugs states: Everyone that CHOOSES to fall short of obeying that TORAH LAW by FAITH and NOT tapping into His POWER (Grace) to be saved, is not keeping the law and continues to sin! They are lost!
Quiznos: No matter how you change the wording, you still proclaim PERFECTIONISM of which you fall short of, thus by your own words you HUGS are lost.
A person is not saved by obeying the law, the law cannot save anyone that is the reason for the cross and resurrection.
That is why we have John 3: 15- 21
Ephesians 2 verses 5 -10.
And the JUST shall live by FAITH, not by the keeping of the law.
To Adam: Justification, forgiveness of all sins, sanctification, holiness,and eternal life
Posted : 16 Nov, 2020 04:34 AM
Just a quick note here before I leave....Will be out of town for days Quiz, will eventually get back with you if you are done with your games here now it seems, that you have been doing for months that you have been on this forum! Perhaps we can have a real discussion and you can be honest about it all? Hope so!
Are you ready to repent of breaking that one also Quiz? 
What is the whole conclusion of the whole matter Quiz but the keeping of all TEN of His Commandments! Correct? 
That would be weak 'protection' you claim would it not Quiz? 
Hope so!