There seems to be a mistake with the understanding the church people have about the Word of GOD Almigjty concerning the FUNCTION of pastors ( plural ).
Let's look into the Scriptures to see what GOD Almighty has to say about this.
Ephesians 4 verses 11 - 13
Notice in verse 11 HE, YASHUA, GAVE not called people to FUNCTION in the capacity of Apostle, prophet, evangelsis, pastor / teacher.
This function is not a PAID position as in a business, nor is it self proclaimed, or worked for.
The believers should see people moving in these functions, without them needing a peice of paper from government approved schools.
11 And He gave apostles, and prophets, and evangelists, and pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
Quiz writes - ‘Notice in verse 11 HE, YASHUA, GAVE not called people to FUNCTION in the capacity of Apostle, prophet, evangelsis, pastor / teacher. This function is not a PAID position….
Umm Quiz, what are you suggesting, that YHWH the Father by His WORD in the flesh only ‘gave’ directly and not >>>called<<< them because it would be a long distance CALL to do so? Was YHWH saving money and being conservative Quiz?
Good grief Quiz! You claim to always give context (and of course you don't understand context anyway) and right in the same chapter it uses the word ‘calling’ in verse 4 , you confusing false teacher that you are! But your not fooling me!
Verse 4 - ‘There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit (of YHWH Himself), even as ye are called in ONE hope of your >>>calling<<<; …….
Note the distraction Quiz makes to the supposed requirement on this forum that everyone MUST post a study in a timely manner as CDFF police officer Quiz says to do!
Much like the distractions of his daddy David does when he gets owned about the shape of the earth is a ball, yet Revelation 7:1 clearly says the supposed ‘ball’ that David lives on has ‘4 corners’ and yet the light bulb does not light between David’s ears??? WEIRD teachers!
Then when I expose Quiz taking Scripture out of context, like leaving out Ephesians 4:4 which clearly states He “called’ ALL His appointed saints that have many gifts that He ‘gave’ to and into ‘the capacity of Apostle, prophet, evangelists, pastor / teachers’ and including elders!!!
Quiz does not know that YHWH ‘gave’ and ‘called’ all the same to His saints! So what does he do but distract and never humbles himself that once again his study method is lacking!
This just in folks! CDFF is going to change the title of this thread now to Quiz is the perfect example of 'Misunderstanding Ephesians 4 verses 4 to that of 11' because Quiz does not teach context!
FLAT TEDDY BELIEVES THE 4 corners of the earth means the earth is flat!!!
YOU HEARD IT FOLKS!! Flat Teddy is from a flat planet!!
Yes, that’s his excuse!
Flat Teddy, let me help ya.
Teddy, do you know what an idiom is?? No, I’m not talking about your dad Adam 7777!!
An “idiom” is a figure of speech, my dear Teddy!! In the case of “the 4 corners of the earth” it means the furtherest extremities or the far reaches.
FLAT EARTH TEDDYY
Teddy I keep saying you should join a comedy club because you would be an instant hit!
Flat Teddy, when Jesus says to “cut off your hand if it causes you to offend”. Do you, Flat Teddy, believe Jesus said to actually cut of your hand?????
COME ON FLAT TEDDY!!!!
If you still have both hands in tact, you DONT believe the “4 corners of the earth” means the earth is flat!!
Well there you go folks, old confused globe head David thinks you can describe the earth as being water ‘flat’ earth to that of a secular atheist ‘ball planet’ which is none other than like an oxymoron, a self-contradiction to illustration in David’s schooled mind and doctrine! Another words this David is so secular (schooled) that he thinks you can mix secular ‘ball planet’ to that of ‘flat’ circle within a square. a Biblical description of the earth, like mixing water and oil together mind you!
Secular ‘planet’ definition - a celestial body distinguished from the fixed stars by having an apparent motion of its own. It is a celestial body that is in orbit around the Sun (land).
Secular atheist ‘orbits around the Sun’ description! BAAL worship!
Then this ‘idiom’ David as he calls himself does not know the difference between illustration of sinning, like stealing, to that of the Messiah’s words that you should “cut off your hand if it causes you to’ steal something from your neighbor to a completely literal description to that of the earth at CREATION time!! Very confused this ‘idiom’ David is, no? As I’m sure everyone knows David by now, is all he wants to do is create a distraction from literal Creation of the earth to symbolism of sinful deeds now, so that the ‘idiom’ David can go on and worship his secular teaching and atheist friends while claiming to be a ‘Christian’ that is suppose to be apart from the world! Hmmmm, David has lots of ‘faith’ in his secular description of the shape of the earth AND David does not understand CONTEXT to what the rest of the Bible has to say about what the earth looks like after it was Created! Lets look at some more EVIDENCE and or WITNESSES in the Bible and lets pray David doesn't try to cut out his tongue just because he miss spoke about the literal description that the Bible makes sooooo clear in how it is made to that of David’s ‘idiom’ secular ignorance!
Job 38:13,14 (KJV) That it might take hold of >>>the ends of the earth,<<< that the wicked might be shaken out of it? 14. It is >>>turned as clay to the seal;<<< and they stand (land) as a garment
Job 38:13,14 (NIV) that it might take >>>the earth by the edges<<< and shake the wicked out of it? 14. The >>>earth takes shape like clay under a seal;<<< its >>>features stand out <<< (land) like those of a garment.
Job 38:13,14 (NET) that it might seize >>>the corners of the earth,<<< and shake the wicked out of it? 14. The >>>earth takes shape (land) like clay under a seal;<<< its features (land) are dyed like a garment.
Its interesting that the Darby Bible Translation says about the earth in verse 14. it is >>>changed like the signet-clay; <<<and [all things] stand forth as in a garment:
So the Bible is clear the earth has ‘corners’, ‘edges’ and ‘ends’ to it that secular FAITHFUL David does not want to believe in the Bible! Odd, no? You see David cannot make his secular atheist ball shaped earth work with the Biblical description because to say a ball has ‘corners’ or ‘edges’ or even ‘ends’ to it is ludicrous because on an atheist ball shaped earth there is no end to it! Its like a dog chasing its tail! You see friends, David would just as soon as chase his tail than believe the truth of the Bible!
Buts that’s not all folks because David does not understand the earth is made like the stamping of clay laid out on a flat surface like a table, or like a signet seal imprint in ink on parchment paper. The earth made from an unseen hand, stamped out of rock and clay, forming the earth with sides rolled up on the edges from the imprint/impact from YHWH own hand, which of course is massive ice walls that surround the earth discovered in the 50’s by Admiral Bird in expedition ‘high jump’ long ago!
Its sad that David cannot connect the dots of secular history evidence to that of the Bible’s literal description of the earth.
Well once again it looks like Quiz cannot answer my posts to him! He is on here everyday it seems and so has no excuse like he is working because he has posted recently. Another of Quizzes threads he does not maintain!
Hugs, i do not maintain a topuc where you answer by criticizing myself and others with your childish replies as you say that you own someone. You do not own anyone with your stupid remarks
Noe lets look at Ephesians 4 verses 1 - 16
Verses 1 - 6
1 Call upon you, then, do I — the prisoner of the Lord — to walk worthily of the calling with which ye were called,
2 with all lowliness and meekness, with long-suffering, forbearing one another in love,
3 being diligent to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of the peace; 4 one body and one Spirit, according as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who [is] over all, and through all, and in you all,
The CALLING in verse one is to salvation. The Greek word translated as called and calling is 2821. klésis ►
Strong's Concordance
klésis: a calling
Original Word: κλῆσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: klésis
Phonetic Spelling: (klay'-sis)
Definition: a calling
Usage: a calling, invitation; in the NT, always of a divine call.
HELPS Word-studies
2821 klḗsis (from 2564 /kaléō, "to call, summon") – calling; used of God inviting all people to receive His gift of salvation – with all His blessings that go with it (Ro 11:29; Eph 4:4; 2 Pet 1:10).
This is completely different from the Greek word didomi, translated Gave in verse 11
1325. didómi ►
Strong's Concordance
didómi: to give (in various senses lit. or fig.)
Original Word: δίδωμι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: didómi
Phonetic Spelling: (did'-o-mee)
Definition: to give
Usage: I offer, give; I put, place.
GOD Almighty CALLS people to Salvation, then gives, bestows or places into people to be Apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds, teachers.
The body of believers should see these people FUNCTIONING as such, instead of them showing a piece of paper from a seminary- cemetery.
Hugs, since you think so highly of yourself as to criticize others for what the post about what they believe.
When will you repent of your fears, and start a subject about what you believe; maybe you are ashamed of what you believe because you have no Scripture to back your beliefs about Oneness, that your Messiah is a created being, taken from a part of the Father and given a human body.
Maybe you are afraid to post that, you believe a person needs to repent of sin in order to be forgiven, instead of trusting that the death of Messiah is the only means by which you are forgiven.
Maybe you can show where Messiah sets a person free, only to bring them back into bondage to the law.
