littledavid asks what is salvation and the grace of Christ
Posted : 7 Nov, 2020 12:08 PM
The beginning of the way to salvation is seen in what Christ did, he put on righteousness as a breastplate..
Isaiah 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.
As a believer in Christ we do the same ways exactly, we need these to withstand the devil, we need the same breastplate of righteousness, the same helmet of salvation..
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Again, Christ brings His salvation and His work is before Him, this is also our work of faith and labour of love, to fulfil all the good pleasure of HIs goodness, the work of faith with power..
Isaiah 62:11 Behold, the Lord hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
2 Thessalonians 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
our faith needs to be worked, to give patience..
James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
we need to be prepared by God to every good work in honour and sanctified, away from the false confessers who unto every good work are morally abandoned..
2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
But the Lord makes us perfect to every good work, which is to do Gods will, unlike the ones fulfilling satans will with every lying excuse for their imperfect illness to others..
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
salvation is also Gods judgement, to discover all foundations of the wicked works evil men do and their lies to forgive themselves, denying the Lords righteous ways and paths..
Habakkuk 3:13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.
Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Psalm 76:9 When God arose to judgment, to save all the meek of the earth. Selah.
Psalm 72:2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Redeemed to God is through the judgement of righteousness,
Isaiah 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. which is all what justice is, and if we do evil unto others, then we want others to do evil to us, we have proclaimed our own judgement, or we learn righteousness when thew Lords judgments came to the earth, but the wicked hate favour, they refuse to learn righteousness in the land of uprightness and deal unjustly in sins against others......
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.
Isaiah 33:5 The Lord is exalted; for he dwelleth on high: he hath filled Zion with judgment and righteousness.
Isaiah 61:8 For I the Lord love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
The Lords new covenant is salvation, He puts His Spirit within us to cause us to walk in HIs statutes, to keep HIs judgments..
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Evil people we are told turn Gods judgement into gall, despising righteousness, which is, if they do not believe they must never be angry with their brother, they are in danger of hell fire, as they receive the same judgement they gave out, doing evil they receive the same., as we see, mercy rejoices over that judgement...
Amos 6:12 Shall horses run upon the rock? will one plow there with oxen? for ye have turned judgment into gall, and the fruit of righteousness into hemlock:
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Fear God to give Him glory, now for the hour of HIs judgment, learning knowledge for salvation to have the sins taken away, as to who fears God and works righteousness has salvation and acceptance with the Lord God...
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Luke 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Work out the salvation with fear AND with trembling. Call on the Lord who respects no person, He judges according to every mans work, pass your time in FEAR, patient continuence in well doing to seek eternal life, liars obey none of that truth, they obey evil, and unrighteousness, and deny working good , deny the Lords grace, deny Christs knowledge of salvation, and confess satans instead...
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Romans 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
We believe in the heart to righteousness, we confess to salvation, we cease iniquity to confess and name truly..
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
We need to be a people born, this is declaring HIs righteousness, not denying HIs righteousness as the deceivers constantly do in every accusing/excusing word, when we know Christ is truly righteous, we know every one who does righteousness is born of Him..
Psalm 22:31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Salvation comes in enduring of the same afflictions, in Christ and in the Apostles. Falling back is a sign of no salvation, it is not enduring...
2 Corinthians 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.
Philippians 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
Godly sorrow, which deceivers cant have, means a one time repentance, not to be repented of, and it clears all of that evil away in the zeal of Christ..
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Chosen to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit which is belief of the truth, as we need to be wise to salvation through the Holy scriptures..
2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Neglecting the salvation is a mistake, grace talkers say just believe and your covered. But we see the whole list of Gods requirements, examples and warnings, every transgression and disobedience received death, how do you expect to escape by repeating the same ? Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all them who obey Him..
Hebrews 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Beloved ( speak as if there were any) things that accompany salvation, what are they, to be enlightened and to not fall away, if you bear thorns and briars against others hands, you are rejected by them and by God. Because by giving pain to others you are crucfying Christ again, to do so in HIs name ? Herbs and fruit are what is meet, fruits of the Spirit, not works of the flesh..
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
Contend for the faith and salvation, but why ? Because men are here who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying Christ in their sin preaching, which they cant help, cant stop, cant be kind, can be truthful, cant confess righteousness, and cant stop strife, and also have none understanding, confess they sin, by lies and stealing, and want you to believe they are speaking right about the Spirit of truth ? But remember, God has made their wisdom into utter foolishness..
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
littledavid asks what is salvation and the grace of Christ
Posted : 7 Nov, 2020 04:55 PM
Adam, I know what salvation is and the grace of Christ.
I was asking if you knew too but my worst fears about you Adam, have become evident—-you don’t know anything about God’s salvation.
Had you truly known the Bible’s meaning of salvation, you would have clearly stated from what a person is being saved. Second, you would have mentioned how a person is saved.
But you never so much as mentioned any of the Bible verses explaining salvation.
You left out nearly all the key words, phrases and contexts used in the Bible and words associated with biblical salvation.
Words and phrases like, the law, “the wrath of God”, sin, hell, heaven, eternal punishment, eternal life, repentance, mercy, grace, confession of sin, turning from sin, Lord, salvation, faith, believing the truth, true worshipers, children of God vs children of the devil, wheat and tares, “none is righteous not even one”, “today is the day of salvation harden not your hearts,” obedience, “trust in God”, the narrow door and more.
Adam, as you can see, there’s so much you could have copied and pasted showing that you, at least, have a faint idea what it means to be saved. Or you could have copied just ONE item, but you missed everything!! Adam please get right with God today!!
but it’s become clear you don’t know anything about salvation
littledavid asks what is salvation and the grace of Christ
Posted : 8 Nov, 2020 01:05 AM
LITTLEDAVID THINKS ALL IS NOT EMPHASIZED ENOUGH, HOPE IT'S GETTING CLEARER THEN..
"law“the wrath of God”, sin, hell, heaven, eternal punishment, eternal life, repentance, mercy, grace, confession of sin, turning from sin, Lord, salvation, faith, believing the truth, true worshipers, children of God vs children of the devil, wheat and tares, “none is righteous not even one”, “today is the day of salvation harden not your hearts,” obedience, “trust in God”, the narrow door "
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my STATUTES, and ye shall keep MY JUDGMENTS, and do them.
Romans 2: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and WRATH,
Luke 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the REMISSION OF THEIR SINS,
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE.
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and WORSHIP HIM THAT MADE HEAVEN, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
6 If they shall fall away, to RENEW them again unto REPENTANCE; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in WELL DOING seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL LIFE:
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh REPENTANCE TO SALVATION not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and MERCY REJOICETH against judgment.
Isaiah 26:10 Let FAVOUR be shewed TO THE WICKED, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of FAITH, and LABOUR OF LOVE, and patience of hope IN OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, in the sight of God and our Father;
1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of FAITH AND LOVE; and for an helmet, the hope OF SALVATION.
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of FAITH, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Isaiah 61:8 For I the Lord love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will DIRECT THEIR WORK IN TRUTH, and I will make AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH THEM.
Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about WITH TRUTH, and having on the breastplate OF RIGHTEOUSNESS;
2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to SALVATION through SANCTIFICATION of the SPIRIT and BELIEF of the TRUTH:
Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, CHILDREN OF THE STOCK OF ABRAHAM, and WHOSOEVER AMONG YOU FEARETH GOD, to you is the word of this SALVATION SENT.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that NAMETH the name of CHRIST DEPART FROM INIQUITY.
Hebrews 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth HERBS MEET for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth THORNS AND BRIARS is REJECTED, and is nigh unto cursing; whose END IS TO BE BURNED.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, TURNING THE GRACE of our God INTO LASCIVIOUSNESS, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Amos 6:12 Shall horses run upon the rock? will one plow there with oxen? for ye have TURNED JUDGMENT INTO GALL, and the fruit of righteousness into hemlock:
Romans 10:10 For with the HEART man BELIEVETH unto RIGHTEOUSNESS; and with the mouth CONFESSION is made unto SALVATION.
Hebrews 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every TRANSGRESSION and DISOBEDIENCE received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we NEGLECT so great SALVATION; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
littledavid asks what is salvation and the grace of Christ
Posted : 8 Nov, 2020 11:56 AM
"It would seem you might, at least, have hit squarely on one salvation verse in your lengthy copy and paste posts.
You came >>closest<< with one verse you quoted from Romans.
Adam, there’s a difference between those verses using similar terminology but written for a different purpose as indicated in the contexts of each."
the Holy scriptures are able to make us wise to salvation, all scripture is for instruction in righteousness, to be perfectly furnished unto all good works....
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
By the knowledge of Christ we gain strength of salvation, by the remission of the sins, to justify us..
Isaiah 33:6 And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the Lord is his treasure.
Luke 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
We hear the word of Christ, and believe on Him or we be condemned if we hate the light and do evil., if our works are wrought in God, then we have come to the light..
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Not as littledavid says, that only the certain verse he picks are for salvation, but by what Christ says and the works He did are what saves, as they bear witness of Him, the same as evil bears witness there is no eternal life in them..
John 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
John 29:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his
Matthew 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
littledavid and everybody who refers to the word of God as if it has less or no purpose, and every single time they speak of Gods word as flooding or copying and pasting as if that is making Gods word of no effect, will answer for every idle word they spoke on judgement day, and yes by our words we are justified or condemned..
Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
littledavid asks what is salvation and the grace of Christ
Posted : 8 Nov, 2020 05:02 PM
Adam, congratulations. Well, kinda
Your lengthily cut-chop-and-paste-posts, 3 to be exact, supposedly about salvation, you’ve only come up with 2-3 verses alluding to salvation.
Trouble is, an informed person would have referred to biblical passages by now that >>directly<< address salvation.
Adam, it’s really no big trick coming up with verses on salvation.
Here’s a helpful hint. Some Bibles, maybe yours included, has a table of contents and an index. You’ve probably never used either, based on the fact you can’t find verses, but perhaps for the first time, see if you can find “salvation”.
Another tip, look up salvation verses on the net!! And then—do what you do best—cut-chop-copy and paste!
So. Why don’t we give you another cut-chop-and-paste-post opportunity?! Then, you can tell people you finally know verses about salvation and how to get saved
littledavid asks what is salvation and the grace of Christ
Posted : 9 Nov, 2020 01:28 AM
Salvation for the ones of darkness is 2-3 verses which speak of darkness and transformation, and to throw away the whole of the bible to keep their words of darkness, as the word is light, and light is salvation, darkness is the dust that is left over..
Isaiah 50:11 Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.
Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
littledavid asks what is salvation and the grace of Christ
Posted : 9 Nov, 2020 07:37 PM
David writes - 'Adam, I know what salvation is and the grace of Christ.'
No you don't David you have proved over and over again on this forum by what you post that you do NOT understand YHWH's 'Grace" because that word also mean His free gift of POWER to those who continue to believe by FAITH in Him! That SAME power (Grace) was available to the fully human Messiah that kept Him from sinning in the same kind of flesh we dwell in bubba! The difference is He NEVER CHOSE to sin and we had (past tense) sinned when we chose to go beyond temptation and sin! You see how easy that is when you read your Bible and disregard the doctrines of your 'church' cult?
