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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 09:19 AM

https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/1993-brand-painthegiftnobodywants.pdf

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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 09:47 AM

Ever since Adam and Eve sinned, pain has become a distinctive hallmark of hardcore discipline that no one wants to talk much about.

That concept is especially difficult for who believe “Jesus is just my Great Genie god who gives me what I want”, sorta like the health-wealth and prosperity gospel hoaxers

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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 10:02 AM

Dave,

Have you read the book.

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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 10:31 AM

Not the book you mentioned.

I just wanted to weigh in on the modern problem of pain that modern Christians ignore

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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 10:52 AM

Dave,

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I read this years ago, it tells of how the body can be affected boyh physically and spiritually.

Some of the book has stories of how people live without pain and the affects on the body.

There are two types of pain spiritual and pyhsical; both affect they that we live, think and relate with Messiah and those around us.

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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 11:02 AM

Sounds interesting

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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 11:21 AM

Hebrews 12:5,6,10,11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the **LORD DISCIPLINES THOSE HE LOVES**, And He punishes everyone He accepts as a son... God disciplines us for our own good, that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.



If we fail to daily ask forgiveness and repent of our sins God will **DISCIPLINE US** and sometimes it will be very painful. We will also **LOSE ETERNAL REWARDS** and a **CLOSE RELATIONSHIP** with God!



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Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 02:09 PM

ADAM7777 and QUIZNOS do you believe the following words in John 1:1-4,18 below were inspired by God??? Why do you refuse to answer tis simple question??



John 1:1-4, 18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD**! He was with God in the beginning . Through **HIM** all things were made, without **HIM** nothing was made that had been made. In **HIM** was **LIFE**, and that **LIFE** was the **LIGHT OF ALL MANKIND**... No one has ever seen God but the **ONE** and only Son, **WHO IS HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!!



Ephesians 2:8-10: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, and this is **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**--**NOT BY WORKS** so that no one can boast. For we are **GOD's HANDIWORK**, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!



God's **BORN FROM ABOVE** saints can earn countless **ETERNAL REWARDS** for faithful and loving serve in teaching and keeping God's New Testament commands.



Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and **THEN**He will **REWARD**each person according to what they have done!"

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Posted : 6 Aug, 2020 05:22 PM

ADAM7777 and QUIZNOS do you believe the following words in John 1:1-4,18 below were inspired by God??? Why do you refuse to answer tis simple question??



John 1:1-4, 18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD**! He was with God in the beginning . Through **HIM** all things were made, without **HIM** nothing was made that had been made. In **HIM** was **LIFE**, and that **LIFE** was the **LIGHT OF ALL MANKIND**... No one has ever seen God but the **ONE** and only Son, **WHO IS HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!!



Hebrews 9:22; 26-28: The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood **THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS**.... But now He has appeared **ONCE FOR ALL** at the end of the ages to do away with sin **BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF**!! Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, and Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!!



Ephesians 2:8-10: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, and this is **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**--**NOT BY WORKS** so that no one can boast. For we are **GOD's HANDIWORK**, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!



God's **BORN FROM ABOVE** saints can earn countless **ETERNAL REWARDS** for faithful and loving serve in teaching and keeping God's New Testament commands.



Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and **THEN**He will **REWARD**each person according to what they have done!"



**And so ADAM7777 and QUIZNOS do not believe that Jesus is God.



**ADAN7777 and QUIZNOS do not believe that the book of John is **NOT INSPIRED BY GOD ** especially John 1:1-4,18!!



**Since ADAM7777 and QUIZNOS do not believe **JESUS IS GOD** then the blood of Jesus can not make**ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS**!!



**ADAM7777 and QUIZNOS do not believe Ephesians 2:8-10 is inspired by God!!



**And so ADAM7777 and QUIZNOS deny every important doctrine in the New Testament. However QUIZNOS is much more clever in not admitting that he believes all these extremely Satanic doctrines!!

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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 9 Aug, 2020 05:49 AM

prophetic7744 do you believe the following words in John 1:1-4,18 below were inspired by God??? Why do you refuse to answer this simple question??















John 1:1-4, 18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD**! He was with God in the beginning . Through **HIM** all things were made, without **HIM** nothing was made that had been made. In **HIM** was **LIFE**, and that **LIFE** was the **LIGHT OF ALL MANKIND**... No one has ever seen God but the **ONE** and only Son, **WHO IS HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!!















Hebrews 9:22; 26-28: The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood **THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS**.... But now He has appeared **ONCE FOR ALL** at the end of the ages to do away with sin **BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF**!! Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, and Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!!















Ephesians 2:8-10: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, and this is **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**--**NOT BY WORKS** so that no one can boast. For we are **GOD's HANDIWORK**, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!















God's **BORN FROM ABOVE** saints can earn countless **ETERNAL REWARDS** for faithful and loving serve in teaching and keeping God's New Testament commands.















Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and **THEN**He will **REWARD**each person according to what they have done!"















**And so prohetic7744 do not believe that Jesus is God.















**prophetic7744 do not believe that the book of John is **NOT INSPIRED BY GOD ** especially John 1:1-4,18!!















**Since prophetic do not believe **JESUS IS GOD** then the blood of Jesus can not make**ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS**!!















**prophetic7744 does not believe Ephesians 2:8-10 is inspired by God!!















**And so prophetic7744 deny every important doctrine in the New Testament. However prophetic7744 is much more clever in not admitting that he believes all these extremely Satanic doctrines!!

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Pain, the gift nobody wants: Dr. Paul Brand & Philip Yancey
Posted : 9 Aug, 2020 05:50 AM

prophetic7744 do you believe the following words in John 1:1-4,18 below were inspired by God??? Why do you refuse to answer this simple question??















John 1:1-4, 18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD**! He was with God in the beginning . Through **HIM** all things were made, without **HIM** nothing was made that had been made. In **HIM** was **LIFE**, and that **LIFE** was the **LIGHT OF ALL MANKIND**... No one has ever seen God but the **ONE** and only Son, **WHO IS HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!!















Hebrews 9:22; 26-28: The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood **THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS**.... But now He has appeared **ONCE FOR ALL** at the end of the ages to do away with sin **BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF**!! Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, and Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!!















Ephesians 2:8-10: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, and this is **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**--**NOT BY WORKS** so that no one can boast. For we are **GOD's HANDIWORK**, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!















God's **BORN FROM ABOVE** saints can earn countless **ETERNAL REWARDS** for faithful and loving serve in teaching and keeping God's New Testament commands.















Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and **THEN**He will **REWARD**each person according to what they have done!"















**And so prohetic7744 do not believe that Jesus is God.















**prophetic7744 do not believe that the book of John is **NOT INSPIRED BY GOD ** especially John 1:1-4,18!!















**Since prophetic do not believe **JESUS IS GOD** then the blood of Jesus can not make**ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS**!!















**prophetic7744 does not believe Ephesians 2:8-10 is inspired by God!!















**And so prophetic7744 deny every important doctrine in the New Testament. However prophetic7744 is much more clever in not admitting that he believes all these extremely Satanic doctrines!!

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