The following verses seem to say ‘yes and no’ to that question!
So is there a contradiction??
Actually, there’s no contradiction. The Bible has plenty to say about good and bad arguments. But the Proverb verses quoted below point out there is a kind of argument to avoid and a kind of argument to use when answering fools
Proverbs 26:4-14
4 Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are. 5 Be sure to answer the foolish arguments of fools, or they will become wise in their own estimation
I’ll explain more by providing an example of bad or foolish argumentation followed by a good example.
Over the years I’ve had several friends weighing in on the topic of argument. Perhaps the form their argument takes looks like this: “All arguing in a waste of time and is useless.”
Does anyone see the problem in my friend’s argument???
Well, this “argument” argues against itself!! It is therefore a self-defeating argument against argument!!!
In other words, the arguer, who claims all arguments are useless, has apparently found argument useful!! Because, the minute he proceeds to argue against arguing he inadvertently undercuts the validity of his own argument!!
The moral of the story—define your terms before you state your case!
For example, if you claim the Bible says not to argue then make your case by appealing to those specific scriptures that define and explain your point. Then, to balance your claim, you might want to cite Bible verses for the proper application of valid or useful argument.
If this approach is applied correctly, your argument will be consistent within itself and be free of term contradiction.
You are right Littlest David. Since Jesus had replaced the OT antiquated laws with a brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS** He really wasn't breaking the antiquated OT laws since Jesus was obeying His brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS**!!
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be **PUT TO DEATH**!"! {That would also include any **GOOD WORK** like healing those with permanent infirmities which could be cured in the 6 days before or after a Sabbath Day}
Exodus 20:8-19: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you will labor and **ALL YOUR WORK**, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord. On it you shall do **NO WORK**! {Which would include any **GODD WORK**}
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH** Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
This was possible in Israel not to **LIGHT A FIRE** since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 3,000 years after this commandment was given!!
Jesus **IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED AND BROKE** 26 death penalties in the Old Testament when He commanded in John 8:7: "Let any one of you who is **WITHOUT SIN** be the first to throw a stone at her!" {Who committed adultery} {Which is impossible since every human has committed sin}
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and ******I TOO AM **WORKING**!*****" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"
Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was immediately changed and **BROKEN BY JESUS* by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!" {THIS COMMAND BY JESUS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED AN OATH OR VOW BY ANY BORN FROM ABOVEE CHRISTIAN!!
Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN! For what comes out of a man is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come--sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. Al these evils come from inside and make a person **UNCLEAN**!"
THIS COMMAND BY JESUS **IMMEDIATELY** ELIMINATED THE MANY UNCLEN FOODS FORBIDDEN BY OLD TESTAMENT LAWS IN LEVITICUS 11:1-47
And so Jesus and His disciples could immediately eat all the foods that were a sin to eat according to OT antiquated laws in Leviticus 11:1-47 that were immediately changed by the commands of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ!!
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS!!
Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."
Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.
Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH** day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!
Prophetic 7744 says, “You are right Littlest David. Since Jesus had replaced the OT antiquated laws with a brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS** He really wasn't breaking the antiquated OT laws since Jesus was obeying His brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS**!!”
Later in his post, the false prophet, prophetic 7744, continues to double down on his false claim Jesus broke laws.
Thank you prophetic 7744 for providing another example of a ridiculous argument.
No serious student of scripture would ever document such a stupid claim! And NONE would attach their name to it!!
Prophetic still doesn’t understand that Jesus’ kept and applied God’s law perfectly, just as he said. But the false prophetic 7744 disagrees with Jesus.
The scripture very clearly teaches that Jesus defended the law of Moses but taught against the >>anti-law man-made traditions of the elders<< that were being used by false teachers as law to modify and twist the Mosaic law.
You are right Littlest David. Since Jesus had replaced the OT antiquated laws with a brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS** He really wasn't breaking the antiquated OT laws since Jesus was obeying His brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS**!!
It is interesting to note that LittlestDavid does not answer the many Scriptures which contradict his ridiculous beliefs about antiquated Old Testament Laws!!
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be **PUT TO DEATH**!"! {That would also include any **GOOD WORK** like healing those with permanent infirmities which could be cured in the 6 days before or after a Sabbath Day}
Exodus 20:8-19: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you will labor and **ALL YOUR WORK**, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord. On it you shall do **NO WORK**! {Which would include any **GODD WORK**}
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH** Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
This was possible in Israel not to **LIGHT A FIRE** since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 3,000 years after this commandment was given!!
Jesus **IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED AND BROKE** 26 death penalties in the Old Testament when He commanded in John 8:7: "Let any one of you who is **WITHOUT SIN** be the first to throw a stone at her!" {Who committed adultery} {Which is impossible since every human has committed sin}
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and ******I TOO AM **WORKING**!*****" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"
Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was immediately changed and **BROKEN BY JESUS* by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!" {THIS COMMAND BY JESUS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED AN OATH OR VOW BY ANY BORN FROM ABOVEE CHRISTIAN!!
Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN! For what comes out of a man is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come--sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. Al these evils come from inside and make a person **UNCLEAN**!"
THIS COMMAND BY JESUS **IMMEDIATELY** ELIMINATED THE MANY UNCLEN FOODS FORBIDDEN BY OLD TESTAMENT LAWS IN LEVITICUS 11:1-47
And so Jesus and His disciples could immediately eat all the foods that were a sin to eat according to OT antiquated laws in Leviticus 11:1-47 that were immediately changed by the commands of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ!!
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS!!
Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."
Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.
Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH** day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!
You are right Littlest David. Since Jesus had replaced the OT antiquated laws with a brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS** He really wasn't breaking the antiquated OT laws since Jesus was obeying His brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS**!!
It is interesting to note that LittlestDavid does not answer the many Scriptures which contradict his ridiculous beliefs about antiquated Old Testament Laws!!
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be **PUT TO DEATH**!"! {That would also include any **GOOD WORK** like healing those with permanent infirmities which could be cured in the 6 days before or after a Sabbath Day}
Exodus 20:8-19: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you will labor and **ALL YOUR WORK**, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord. On it you shall do **NO WORK**! {Which would include any **GODD WORK**}
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH** Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
This was possible in Israel not to **LIGHT A FIRE** since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 3,000 years after this commandment was given!!
Jesus **IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED AND BROKE** 26 death penalties in the Old Testament when He commanded in John 8:7: "Let any one of you who is **WITHOUT SIN** be the first to throw a stone at her!" {Who committed adultery} {Which is impossible since every human has committed sin}
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and ******I TOO AM **WORKING**!*****" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"
Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was immediately changed and **BROKEN BY JESUS* by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!" {THIS COMMAND BY JESUS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED AN OATH OR VOW BY ANY BORN FROM ABOVEE CHRISTIAN!!
Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN! For what comes out of a man is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come--sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. Al these evils come from inside and make a person **UNCLEAN**!"
THIS COMMAND BY JESUS **IMMEDIATELY** ELIMINATED THE MANY UNCLEN FOODS FORBIDDEN BY OLD TESTAMENT LAWS IN LEVITICUS 11:1-47
And so Jesus and His disciples could immediately eat all the foods that were a sin to eat according to OT antiquated laws in Leviticus 11:1-47 that were immediately changed by the commands of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ!!
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS!!
Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."
Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.
Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH** day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!
Note the contradictory mambo-jumbo that is all too common in much of prophetic 7744’s false teachings
First, prophetic says this: “You are right Littlest David. Since Jesus had replaced the OT antiquated laws with a brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS** He really wasn't breaking the antiquated OT laws since Jesus was obeying His brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS**!!”
Then the “prophet” says this: “Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was immediately changed and **BROKEN BY JESUS* by these NT commands by Jesus”
In his astonishing ignorance, the Pinocchio prophet thinks the following phrases used by Jesus, “you have heard it said” or “them of old” refer to the Mosaic law BUT there is no “them”—there was ONLY Moses!!
Since Jesus is consistent, unlike the Pinocchio Prophetic, Jesus would have mentioned Moses. But Jesus was clearly referring to the false teachers of his day who were in agreement with their long standing traditions instead of the the Mosaic law!! They were misapplying and nullifying the law of Moses!!!
Jesus has makes this abundantly clear in several passages including Matthew 15:1-9 English Standard Version (ESV)
Traditions and Commandments
1Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” 3 He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ 5 But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,”[a] 6 he need not honor his father.’ So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word[b] of God. 7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.[a] 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell[b] as yourselves.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18 And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19 You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. 22 And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’
You are right Littlest David. Since Jesus had replaced the OT antiquated laws with a brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS** He really wasn't breaking the antiquated OT laws since Jesus was obeying His brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS**!!
It is interesting to note that LittlestDavid does not answer the many Scriptures which contradict his ridiculous beliefs about antiquated Old Testament Laws which our great God and Savior completely eliminated by His Divine Commands!!
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be **PUT TO DEATH**!"! {That would also include any **GOOD WORK** like healing those with permanent infirmities which could be cured in the 6 days before or after a Sabbath Day}
Exodus 20:8-19: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you will labor and **ALL YOUR WORK**, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord. On it you shall do **NO WORK**! {Which would include any **GODD WORK**}
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH** Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
This was possible in Israel not to **LIGHT A FIRE** since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 3,000 years after this commandment was given!!
Jesus **IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED AND BROKE** 26 death penalties in the Old Testament when He commanded in John 8:7: "Let any one of you who is **WITHOUT SIN** be the first to throw a stone at her!" {Who committed adultery} {Which is impossible since every human has committed sin}
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and ******I TOO AM **WORKING**!*****" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"
Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was immediately changed and **BROKEN BY JESUS* by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!" {THIS COMMAND BY JESUS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED AN OATH OR VOW BY ANY BORN FROM ABOVEE CHRISTIAN!!
Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN! For what comes out of a man is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come--sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. Al these evils come from inside and make a person **UNCLEAN**!"
THIS COMMAND BY JESUS **IMMEDIATELY** ELIMINATED THE MANY UNCLEN FOODS FORBIDDEN BY OLD TESTAMENT LAWS IN LEVITICUS 11:1-47
And so Jesus and His disciples could immediately eat all the foods that were a sin to eat according to OT antiquated laws in Leviticus 11:1-47 that were immediately changed by the commands of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ!!
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS!!
Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."
Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.
Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH** day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!
I think you can converse productively without arguing. If you can speak to someone as a brother, I believe them more likely to listen. If you speak to someone like a scoundrel, then they are more likely to be looking for a battle rather than an agreement.
I think you can converse productively without arguing. If you can speak to someone as a brother, I believe them more likely to listen. If you speak to someone like a scoundrel, then they are more likely to be looking for a battle rather than an agreement.
TOTH, you posted a thread not so long ago about “arguing” in a thread you started but you didn’t really define your terms there either.
Seems like you’re saying (my paraphrase), “l did not define what or which type of argument l mean but you all better just quit it because it’s a waste of time”.
TOTH, the term “argument” has several ranges of meaning. For example, lawyers prepare arguments and rebuttals. Debate teams also prepare arguments and rebuttals. There are also people who quarrel and fight in anger who are said to engage in another type of argument. Which type/s of argument are you referring to? Are lawyers “more productive” if they do not prepare arguments?? Is it wrong to prepare arguments and rebuttals on a discussion forum?
I assume your post was addressed to me because it’s on my thread but I don’t know if you’re just trying discuss, disagree or what.
You said, “If you can speak to someone as a brother, I believe them more likely to listen”. I’m glad you wrote that, it’s a good point. Perhaps I may be missing something or maybe l indicated something to the contrary? Is there a reason you decided to post? Just curious.
I’m open to correction because, regrettably, I’ve posted in ways that could be classed as useless disrespectful quarreling. In fact, some things Ive posted would be better if completely edited out.
Ok, back to your post, you said, “If you speak to someone like a scoundrel, then they are more likely to be looking for a battle rather than an agreement.”
I’m in agreement, you made another good point but I assume the person you’re talking about is not a “scoundrel”? I know what you’re saying. Of course we shouldn’t abruptly address someone AS IF they were a scoundrel right off the bat, you’re right.
But depending on the context and the situation, wouldn’t you agree it is >>sometimes<< appropriate to address a scoundrel as a scoundrel?
Furthermore, IS it even possible to find agreement with a “scoundrel”? —assuming you mean a “dishonest unscrupulous rogue“—the definition of scoundrel
You are right Littlest David. Since Jesus had replaced the OT antiquated laws with a brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS** He really wasn't breaking the antiquated OT laws since Jesus was obeying His brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS**!!
All of God's Word which absolutely contradicts LittlestDavid's ridiculous defense of OT laws he claims are **OUT OF CONTEXT**??
TeddyHugger is famous because of all of his **FAIRY TALE ** beleafs which include the **FLAT EARTH FAIRY TALE** the **SINLESS PERFECTION FAIRY TALE ** the **ANNIHILATION INSTEAD OF ETERNAL HELL FAIRY TALE** and **JESUS DIDN'T CHANGE ANY OT LAWS FAIRY TALE** agrees with LittlestDavid.
It is interesting to note that LittlestDavid does not answer the many Scriptures which contradict his ridiculous beliefs about antiquated Old Testament Laws which our great God and Savior completely eliminated by His Divine Commands!!
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be **PUT TO DEATH**!"! {That would also include any **GOOD WORK** like healing those with permanent infirmities which could be cured in the 6 days before or after a Sabbath Day}
Exodus 20:8-19: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you will labor and **ALL YOUR WORK**, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord. On it you shall do **NO WORK**! {Which would include any **GODD WORK**}
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH** Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
This was possible in Israel not to **LIGHT A FIRE** since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 3,000 years after this commandment was given!!
Jesus **IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED AND BROKE** 26 death penalties in the Old Testament when He commanded in John 8:7: "Let any one of you who is **WITHOUT SIN** be the first to throw a stone at her!" {Who committed adultery} {Which is impossible since every human has committed sin}
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and ******I TOO AM **WORKING**!*****" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"
Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was immediately changed and **BROKEN BY JESUS* by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!" {THIS COMMAND BY JESUS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED AN OATH OR VOW BY ANY BORN FROM ABOVEE CHRISTIAN!!
Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN! For what comes out of a man is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come--sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. Al these evils come from inside and make a person **UNCLEAN**!"
THIS COMMAND BY JESUS **IMMEDIATELY** ELIMINATED THE MANY UNCLEN FOODS FORBIDDEN BY OLD TESTAMENT LAWS IN LEVITICUS 11:1-47
And so Jesus and His disciples could immediately eat all the foods that were a sin to eat according to OT antiquated laws in Leviticus 11:1-47 that were immediately changed by the commands of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ!!
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS!!
Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."
Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.
Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH** day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!
