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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 09:35 AM

Certain “Christian” teachers often distort biblical truth by turning Jesus into a pacifist teacher. But history doesn’t seem to bare this out. But who actually coined the term “pacifism” and who were it’s original architects? Certainly not Jesus, there’s no historical evidence leading to him and the term can’t be traced to Jesus. Nonetheless, some Christians, having subscribed to this pagan ideology in practice, often cite out of context bible verses to justify their claim that Jesus was indeed a “pacifist”. Yet Jesus’ teaching and actions clearly portray a different kind of peacemaking based on the Old Testament teaching of “love your neighbor as yourself”.

With that, here’s a very brief look at the pagan origins of modern pacifism (Not to be confused with pacificism).



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Pacifism is opposition to war, militarism or violence. The word pacifism was coined by the French peace campaigner Émile Arnaud (1864–1921) and adopted by other peace activists at the tenth Universal Peace Congress in Glasgow in 1901.[1] A related term is ahimsa (to do no harm), which is a core philosophy in Indian Religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. While modern connotations are recent, having been explicated since the 19th century, ancient references abound.



In modern times, interest was revived by Leo Tolstoy in his late works, particularly in The Kingdom of God Is Within You. Mohandas Gandhi (1869–1948) propounded the practice of steadfast nonviolent opposition which he called "satyagraha", instrumental in its role in the Indian Independence Movement. Its effectiveness served as inspiration to Martin Luther King Jr., James Lawson, Mary and Charles Beard, James Bevel,[2] Thich Nhat Hanh[3] and many others in the civil rights movement.

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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 09:37 AM

Whoops forgot to credit the article part of my thread to Wiki

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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 09:38 AM

Article starts with, “The peace sign...”

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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 10:39 AM

**JESUS SAYS NEVER MAKE AN OATH OR VOW, AND LOVE AND FORGIVE ALL YOUR ENEMIES**



In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands in Luke 6:27-29: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also."



Matthew 5:43,44: Jesus says, "You have heard that is was said, {in the OT} 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!!"



Whereas in the OT in Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the **SWORD** before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the **SWORD** before you!"



Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!"



Numbers 32:20,21: Moses said to them, "if you will do this--if you will arm yourselves before the Lord for battle and if all of you who are armed cross over the Jordan before the Lord until He has driven out His enemies out before Him!!"



Deuteronomy 6:18,19: Do what is right and good in the Lord's sight, that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord has promised on oath to your ancestors, **THRUSTING OUT ALL YOUR ENEMIES BEFORE YOU**, as the Lord said!



Deuteronomy 23:14: For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you!



Deuteronomy 28:7 The Lord will grant that your enemies who go up against you will be defeated before you!



Deuteronomy 30:7: The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you!



Another OT command in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."



This was also changed by these NT commands by Jesus:



Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"



Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"



Luke 6:27-30: Jesus says, "Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if someone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back!"



Luke 6:33-36: Love your enemies, do good to them and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your **REWARD** will be great and you will be children of the Most High because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as you Father is merciful!"



Matthew 18:21,22: Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister {or wife} who sins against me? Up to 7 times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you not 7 times but 77 times!" {Also can be translated 70 times 7 times!}



I Peter 3:9: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called that you may **INHERIT A BLESSING**!



Matthew 5:9: Jesus the **PRINCE OF PEACE** says, "Blessed are the **PEACEMAKERS**, for they will be called the **CHILDREN OF GOD**!"



2 Corinthians 10:3-5: For though we live in the world, **WE DO NOT MAKE WAR AS THE WORLD DOES**! The weapons we fight with **ARE NOT THE WEAPONS OF THE WORLD**. On the contrary, they have **DIVINE POWER** to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God!



Ephesians 6:17: Take the helmet of salvation and the **SWORD** OF THE SPIRIT** which is the **WORD OF GOD**!!



I Peter 2:20-23: If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps.... When they hurled their insults at Him, He did not retaliate; when He suffered, He made no threats. Instead He entrusted Himself to Him who judges Justly!



I Peter 3:8,9,11: Finally, all of you, be like minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. **DO NOT REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL** or insult with insult. On the contrary, **REPAY EVIL WITH BLESSING**, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For... "They must turn from evil and do good; they **MUST SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT**!"



Romans 14:17-19: For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, **PEACE** and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God an receives human approval. Let us therefore make every effort to do **WHAT LEADS TO PEACE**!



Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort **TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH EVERYONE**!



Matthew 5:43-45: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' {As per the OT}. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!"



Matthew 6:14,15: Jesus says, "If you forgive other people who sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, you Father will not forgive your sins!"



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest. But now My Kingdom is from another place!"



Luke 23:33,34: When they came to the place of the Skull, they crucified Him there... Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing!"



Romans 12:19-21: Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty give him something to drink. In doing this you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but **OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD**!



I Peter 4:8-10: Above all, **LOVE** each other deeply, because **LOVE** covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms!



Colossians 3:12-15: As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on **LOVE**, which binds them all together in perfect unity! Let the **PEACE OF CHRIST** rule in your hearts. since of members of one body, you were **CALLED TO PEACE**!



Isaiah 9:6,7: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government and **PEACE** there will be no end!!



Ephesians 4:31,32: Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with **ANY FORM OF MALICE**. Be kind and compassionate to one another just as in Christ God forgave you!!



**IS A CHRISTIAN SINNING WHEN HE MAKES ANY VOW AND OATH TO ENLIST IN THE USA MILTARY**??



What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"



But what are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??



James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"



Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {In Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"



Federal law requires everyone who enlists or re-enlists in the Armed Forces of the United States to take the enlistment **OATH**!



The **OATH** of enlistment is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military.



The military **OATH** of enlistment (re-enlistment) is fairly straightforward for most military personnel. It's administered by a superior officer, and carried out like most traditional oaths, with the officer reading the oath and the person being sworn repeating it.



**OATH** for US Armed Forces after raising their right hand:



I, (NAME), do **SOLEMNLY SWEAR** that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. **SO HELP ME GOD**.



And so anyone who **SOLEMNLY SWEARS**.. **SO HELP ME GOD** and who **KILLS HIS ENEMIES** is breaking two New Covenant Commands of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, even Armed Forces Medics and Chaplains have to take this **OATH**!



John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because **IT IS FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you!"



And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write**EVERTHING JESUS TOLD HIM TO WRITE**!!



Hebrews 12:1,2: Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!



Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey **EVERYTHING** I have commanded you {THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} and surely I am **WITH YOU ALWAYS**, to the very end of the age!!"



Matthew 10:27: Jesus says, "What I tell you in the dark, **SPEAK** in the daylight; what I whisper in your ear **PROCLAIM FROM THE HOUSETOPS**!!"

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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 02:14 PM

David,



Not really into what "Wiki" info has to say because anyone can change it! The first paragraph looks to be written by you and I AGREE with that! If that is indeed your writing, then you have exposed Richard the pathetic7744 false teacher's core problem!



Namely his obedience to the LAW or better said instructions from YHWH the Father and His LOVE to His creatures. Herein is the core problem with pathetic7744 that I have noticed thru the months of posting on this open forum, that he hates rules and heavenly government, he teaches a strange "_esus"(Yah'shua) that completely changes His Father's LAWS!? David and friends, I hope you agree and see the same core pattern in everything Richard7744 teaches!? While he has a right to his opinion, or more so his "religion" he does NOT have a right to control all threads with his copy and paste! Ahhhh which brings me to that! NOTE David that

pathetic7744 is ONCE again posting the SAME OLD copy and paste from moonths ago, nothing new, same old dogma!!! LOL!



Here is something to think about friends.... pathetic7744 wants us to believe that even though the Messiah is the "Son", He is ABOVE the Father in a COMPLETELY new LAW now, that would obviously contradicts His father's LAW! Right? Richards hang-up is about obedience and OT verses NT like they are at WAR with one another!!! Anyone else see this "conspiracy theory" of pathetic7744??? KEY - Another words the Messiah died on the pole/tree NOT just for sinners BUT to come and establish a brand NEW LAW that His Father in heaven could not get right to begin with! WOW!



Later I will post Scripture if need be that pathetic7744 takes OUT of context to support his cultish view that the Father's original Torah instructions were nothing more than "beggarly elements" according to Richard's interpretation of Paul! YUP! That is what he states and if you ask him he will NOT reply to your question!!!

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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 03:45 PM

Teddyhugger believes that we are still under all of the Old Testament Laws and Jesus did not change any Old Testament laws;



However God's inspired Words totally disagree with Teddyhugger as follows:



I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!



Galatians 6:2: Fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"



*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!



Galatians 2:14-16,20,21: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"



Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"



Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"



Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!



Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."



Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.

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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 04:40 PM

pathetic7744 posts -



Teddyhugger believes that we are still under all of the Old Testament Laws and Jesus did not change any Old Testament laws" end quote.



Note friends old pathetic does NOT say the Messiah changed ALL of the Old Testament Laws because he uses the word "any" meaning some still apply! YET Richard NEVER gives a list of which ones apply??? EVER! Strange doctrine of his! Claiming to be a teacher of "Christ Law" even but NEVER giving a list of those Laws either! Very odd!



The New Testament says NOTHING of incest, so does Richard now claim that OT Law no longer exist and therefore no longer a sin??? Makes you wonder because Richard is now telling us of giving "kisses" to others and that would include children no doubt, so what does he really mean of what a "kiss" is by definition in his self mind??? He shows NO Scripture for that either, just like the length of hair on a man or woman??? WEIRD!

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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 05:44 PM

Yes, agree, sometimes Wiki isn’t the best authoritative source and they’ve received some bad press over it. Hopefully they’ve started cleaning up their act.

Another prophetic 7744 lie about Ted to correct. Ted never said we’re under the law or saved by law keeping.

The Pinocchio Prophetic ignorantly casts Jesus in the same league with pagan religious leaders, such as the likes of Gandhi, Buddha and some Hindu leaders.

Prophetic also errors on a great number of issues when he falsely teaches that Jesus contradicted the law about vows and teaching that loving our enemies is a new concept not taught in the Old Testament. He also errors about Jesus’ teaching about serving in the military.

I’ve tried to reason all this out with Richard several times but Richard indicates severe signs of cognitive dissonance with a strong immunity that resists reason.

Ok, when Jesus spoke of “them of old” he wasn’t referring to the Mosaic law, he was referring to the Jewish religious leaders who, in effect, had twisted and replaced the word of God with their human traditions.

For example, the law did not permit a Jew to initiate revenge against his fellow Jew by knocking out a tooth without a judge first hearing the case, similar to today in our restitution cases.

Does the Pinocchio Prophetic, in his abundant ignorance, think the Mosaic law permitted the ancients to just punch out others at random just like certain uninformed modern critics argue ???

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Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 06:22 PM

Looks like Littlest David that Jesus made no changes to the Old Testament changes listed below. It is interesting to note the LittlestDavid does not exegete or answer any of the Divine commandments listed below!!



**JESUS SAYS NEVER MAKE AN OATH OR VOW, AND LOVE AND FORGIVE ALL YOUR ENEMIES**!!



In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands in Luke 6:27-29: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also."



Matthew 5:43,44: Jesus says, "You have heard that is was said, {in the OT} 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!!"



Whereas in the OT in Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the **SWORD** before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the **SWORD** before you!"



Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!"



Numbers 32:20,21: Moses said to them, "if you will do this--if you will arm yourselves before the Lord for battle and if all of you who are armed cross over the Jordan before the Lord until He has driven out His enemies out before Him!!"



Deuteronomy 6:18,19: Do what is right and good in the Lord's sight, that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord has promised on oath to your ancestors, **THRUSTING OUT ALL YOUR ENEMIES BEFORE YOU**, as the Lord said!



Deuteronomy 23:14: For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you!



Deuteronomy 28:7 The Lord will grant that your enemies who go up against you will be defeated before you!



Deuteronomy 30:7: The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you!



Another OT command in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."



This was also changed by these NT commands by Jesus:



Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"



Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"



Luke 6:27-30: Jesus says, "Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if someone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back!"



Luke 6:33-36: Love your enemies, do good to them and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your **REWARD** will be great and you will be children of the Most High because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as you Father is merciful!"



Matthew 18:21,22: Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister {or wife} who sins against me? Up to 7 times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you not 7 times but 77 times!" {Also can be translated 70 times 7 times!}



I Peter 3:9: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called that you may **INHERIT A BLESSING**!



Matthew 5:9: Jesus the **PRINCE OF PEACE** says, "Blessed are the **PEACEMAKERS**, for they will be called the **CHILDREN OF GOD**!"



2 Corinthians 10:3-5: For though we live in the world, **WE DO NOT MAKE WAR AS THE WORLD DOES**! The weapons we fight with **ARE NOT THE WEAPONS OF THE WORLD**. On the contrary, they have **DIVINE POWER** to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God!



Ephesians 6:17: Take the helmet of salvation and the **SWORD** OF THE SPIRIT** which is the **WORD OF GOD**!!



I Peter 2:20-23: If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps.... When they hurled their insults at Him, He did not retaliate; when He suffered, He made no threats. Instead He entrusted Himself to Him who judges Justly!



I Peter 3:8,9,11: Finally, all of you, be like minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. **DO NOT REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL** or insult with insult. On the contrary, **REPAY EVIL WITH BLESSING**, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For... "They must turn from evil and do good; they **MUST SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT**!"



Romans 14:17-19: For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, **PEACE** and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God an receives human approval. Let us therefore make every effort to do **WHAT LEADS TO PEACE**!



Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort **TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH EVERYONE**!



Matthew 5:43-45: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' {As per the OT}. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!"



Matthew 6:14,15: Jesus says, "If you forgive other people who sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, you Father will not forgive your sins!"



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest. But now My Kingdom is from another place!"



Luke 23:33,34: When they came to the place of the Skull, they crucified Him there... Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing!"



Romans 12:19-21: Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty give him something to drink. In doing this you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but **OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD**!



I Peter 4:8-10: Above all, **LOVE** each other deeply, because **LOVE** covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms! Colossians 3:12-15: As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on **LOVE**, which binds them all together in perfect unity! Let the **PEACE OF CHRIST** rule in your hearts. since of members of one body, you were **CALLED TO PEACE**!



Isaiah 9:6,7: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government and **PEACE** there will be no end!!



Ephesians 4:31,32: Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with **ANY FORM OF MALICE**. Be kind and compassionate to one another just as in Christ God forgave you!!



**IS A CHRISTIAN SINNING WHEN HE MAKES ANY VOW AND OATH TO ENLIST IN THE USA MILTARY**??



What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"



But what are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??



James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"



Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {In Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"



Federal law requires everyone who enlists or re-enlists in the Armed Forces of the United States to take the enlistment **OATH**!



The **OATH** of enlistment is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military.



The military **OATH** of enlistment (re-enlistment) is fairly straightforward for most military personnel. It's administered by a superior officer, and carried out like most traditional oaths, with the officer reading the oath and the person being sworn repeating it.



**OATH** for US Armed Forces after raising their right hand:



I, (NAME), do **SOLEMNLY SWEAR** that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. **SO HELP ME GOD**.



And so anyone who **SOLEMNLY SWEARS**.. **SO HELP ME GOD** and who **KILLS HIS ENEMIES** is breaking two New Covenant Commands of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, even Armed Forces Medics and Chaplains have to take this **OATH**!



John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because **IT IS FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you!"



And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write**EVERTHING JESUS TOLD HIM TO WRITE**!!



Hebrews 12:1,2: Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!







Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey **EVERYTHING** I have commanded you {THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} and surely I am **WITH YOU ALWAYS**, to the very end of the age!!"







Matthew 10:27: Jesus says, "What I tell you in the dark, **SPEAK** in the daylight; what I whisper in your ear **PROCLAIM FROM THE HOUSETOPS**!!"

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THE ROOTS OF PAGAN PACIFISM
Posted : 16 Apr, 2020 09:06 PM

Well there you go friends after reading what pathetic7744 the false teacher states, that **JESUS SAYS TO LOVE AND FORGIVE ALL YOUR ENEMIES** according to Richard the Bible meaning twister! Richard the false teacher just cannot grasp the logic and reasoning that there is a difference between PHYSICAL ENEMIES like other countries invading ours and criminals harming us or our families to that of someone VERBALLY abusing us as an ENEMY because they appear to hate us! We ARE suppose to turn the other cheek to those who verbally abuse us but not physically to harm us!!! GOOD GRIEF, this is the absurdity that "pacifist" like Richard teach! He even claims you DO NOT call the police if someone is PHYSICALLY harming you or family because the police would violate the Richard's LAW not to hurt the CRIMINAL ENEMY!!! You see?



Furthermore all military and police officers are NOT Christians according to Richard because they DO NOT turn the other cheek??? We live in NT times now he says! LOVE LOVE LOVE your PHYSICAL abusing ENEMIES! Right???

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Posted : 17 Apr, 2020 06:07 AM

** THE GREAT BIBBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN PACIFISTS IN THE PAST 2,000 YEARS**



The Bible believing pacifists in the past 2,000 years have set a great example for all Christians throughout the past centuries. After Marin Luther broke away from the Roman Catholic church the the German country broke away from the Roman Catholic Church and then there was a period of almost total war between the Roman Catholics in France and the Protestants in Germany for 100 years.



There were many good Christians in Germany that were Christians before the Protestants such as the Amish, Menonites, Brethren and Anabapists. They believed in the teachings of Jesus and were greatly persecuted by the Protestants in Germany and many were put in jail and killed because they refused to join the army and become professional killers.



And so these Bible believing Christians fled to Holland and waited for ships to take them to America where they could follow the commands of Jesus in peace. There have been many great Christian preachers in the past like D.L.Moody who founded the famous Moody Bible college and Charles Spurgeon. Moody was responsible for thousands of Northern Bapists not joining the evil Civil War and killing Southern Bapists.



Christian pacifists understand that every country will have armies and they do not assemble protests against their country's armies. They just choose to obey God's word and avoid signing a Satanic enlistment Oath and becoming professional killers. Instead they believe in sending missionaries to all the countries of the world which try to love and convert their enemies and teach them to obey all the Divine Commandments of the New Covenant!



Looks like Littlest David believes like Teddyhugger that Jesus made no changes to the Old Testament changes listed below. It is interesting to note the LittlestDavid does not exegete or answer any of the Divine commandments listed below!!



**JESUS SAYS NEVER MAKE AN OATH OR VOW, AND LOVE AND FORGIVE ALL YOUR ENEMIES**!!



In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands in Luke 6:27-29: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also."



Matthew 5:43,44: Jesus says, "You have heard that is was said, {in the OT} 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!!"



Whereas in the OT in Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the **SWORD** before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the **SWORD** before you!"



Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!"



Numbers 32:20,21: Moses said to them, "if you will do this--if you will arm yourselves before the Lord for battle and if all of you who are armed cross over the Jordan before the Lord until He has driven out His enemies out before Him!!"



Deuteronomy 6:18,19: Do what is right and good in the Lord's sight, that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord has promised on oath to your ancestors, **THRUSTING OUT ALL YOUR ENEMIES BEFORE YOU**, as the Lord said!



Deuteronomy 23:14: For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you!



Deuteronomy 28:7 The Lord will grant that your enemies who go up against you will be defeated before you!



Deuteronomy 30:7: The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you!



Another OT command in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."



This was also changed by these NT commands by Jesus:



Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"



Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"



Luke 6:27-30: Jesus says, "Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if someone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back!"



Luke 6:33-36: Love your enemies, do good to them and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your **REWARD** will be great and you will be children of the Most High because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as you Father is merciful!"



Matthew 18:21,22: Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister {or wife} who sins against me? Up to 7 times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you not 7 times but 77 times!" {Also can be translated 70 times 7 times!}



I Peter 3:9: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called that you may **INHERIT A BLESSING**!



Matthew 5:9: Jesus the **PRINCE OF PEACE** says, "Blessed are the **PEACEMAKERS**, for they will be called the **CHILDREN OF GOD**!"



2 Corinthians 10:3-5: For though we live in the world, **WE DO NOT MAKE WAR AS THE WORLD DOES**! The weapons we fight with **ARE NOT THE WEAPONS OF THE WORLD**. On the contrary, they have **DIVINE POWER** to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God!



Ephesians 6:17: Take the helmet of salvation and the **SWORD** OF THE SPIRIT** which is the **WORD OF GOD**!!



I Peter 2:20-23: If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps.... When they hurled their insults at Him, He did not retaliate; when He suffered, He made no threats. Instead He entrusted Himself to Him who judges Justly!



I Peter 3:8,9,11: Finally, all of you, be like minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. **DO NOT REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL** or insult with insult. On the contrary, **REPAY EVIL WITH BLESSING**, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For... "They must turn from evil and do good; they **MUST SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT**!"



Romans 14:17-19: For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, **PEACE** and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God an receives human approval. Let us therefore make every effort to do **WHAT LEADS TO PEACE**!



Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort **TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH EVERYONE**!



Matthew 5:43-45: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' {As per the OT}. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven!"



Matthew 6:14,15: Jesus says, "If you forgive other people who sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, you Father will not forgive your sins!"



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest. But now My Kingdom is from another place!"



Luke 23:33,34: When they came to the place of the Skull, they crucified Him there... Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing!"



Romans 12:19-21: Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty give him something to drink. In doing this you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but **OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD**!



I Peter 4:8-10: Above all, **LOVE** each other deeply, because **LOVE** covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms! Colossians 3:12-15: As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on **LOVE**, which binds them all together in perfect unity! Let the **PEACE OF CHRIST** rule in your hearts. since of members of one body, you were **CALLED TO PEACE**!



Isaiah 9:6,7: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and **PRINCE OF PEACE**. Of the greatness of His government and **PEACE** there will be no end!!



Ephesians 4:31,32: Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with **ANY FORM OF MALICE**. Be kind and compassionate to one another just as in Christ God forgave you!!



**IS A CHRISTIAN SINNING WHEN HE MAKES ANY VOW AND OATH TO ENLIST IN THE USA MILTARY**??



What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"



But what are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??



James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"



Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {In Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"



Federal law requires everyone who enlists or re-enlists in the Armed Forces of the United States to take the enlistment **OATH**!



The **OATH** of enlistment is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military.



The military **OATH** of enlistment (re-enlistment) is fairly straightforward for most military personnel. It's administered by a superior officer, and carried out like most traditional oaths, with the officer reading the oath and the person being sworn repeating it.



**OATH** for US Armed Forces after raising their right hand:



I, (NAME), do **SOLEMNLY SWEAR** that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. **SO HELP ME GOD**.



And so anyone who **SOLEMNLY SWEARS**.. **SO HELP ME GOD** and who **KILLS HIS ENEMIES** is breaking two New Covenant Commands of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, even Armed Forces Medics and Chaplains have to take this **OATH**!



John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because **IT IS FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you!"



And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write**EVERTHING JESUS TOLD HIM TO WRITE**!!



Hebrews 12:1,2: Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!



Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and **ON EARTH** has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey **EVERYTHING** I have commanded you {THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} and surely I am **WITH YOU ALWAYS**, to the very end of the age!!"



Matthew 10:27: Jesus says, "What I tell you in the dark, **SPEAK** in the daylight; what I whisper in your ear **PROCLAIM FROM THE HOUSETOPS**!!"

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