John 1:1-4,18:the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, without Him nothing was made that has been made, Un Him was LIFE, and that Life was the **LIGHT OF ALL MANKIND!.... No one has seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!
Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}
Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!
John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"
**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!
Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!
Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"
Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"
**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**
Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!
Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!
Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!
There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."
John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!
NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!
Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!
Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
"student Quiznos" First of all Im in the same boat as R123 and agree with him in the first thread on the subject when he stated "When a person reads the Old and or New Covenant they will never find the word ' trinity ' nor will they find anyone teaching such a doctrine." And I would like to add nor the word "TRIUNE" found in the Bible!
We covered this AGAIN in your thread "@teddyhugs" when you was talking your smack stuff accusations of me! Remember now? I ALSO listed the Biblical locations of the verses in your other thread - "Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?" and you SAID NOTHING then! Now all of a sudden you post TWO identical subjects addressed to me! Why?
Now Im not sure it would do any good for you because you don't believe in a inspired Bible, so how is that going to work between us in discussion??? For......
"student Quiznos" states - "The bible or book, is not the Word of GOD Almighty, but rather the translations of man."
But here is the verses again below just in case you MIGHT have a change of heart in seeking truth in the Bible??? Like I stated before in the first thread on the subject.....
"I guess you have to ignor 28 books with verse(s) below then that say there is ONLY Yahuwah in order to believe the "trinity" or "triune" thing."
"Duet. 4:35,39; 6:4; 32:39. 2 Samuel 7:22. 1 Kings 8:60. 2 Kings 5:15; 19:15. 1 Chron 17:20. Nehemiah 9:6. Psalms 18:31; 86:10. Isaiah 37:16,20; 43:10,11; 44:6,8; 45:21; 46:9. Hosea 13:4. Joel 2:27. Zechariah 14:9. Mark 12:29-34. John 17:3. Romans 3:30. 1 Corth 8:4-6. Galations 3:20. Ephesians 4:6. 1 Tim 1:17; 2:5. and finally James 2:19!"
So just looking at TWO verses below in Duet. 4:35,39 it says there is ONLY ONE Yahuwah, right?
35. "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that >>the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him."<< 39. "Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: >>there is none else."<<
Get back with me here and tell me what you think of the others verses, since this is SOOOOOO important to you that you would have THREE threads on the SAME subject! Wow! Im kinda busy today installing a new screen door on a submarine, so will get back when I can.
I do not believe you can answer the question as you do not believe Yashua is also YHWH- GOD the SON.
Nor do you believe the Holy Spirit is GOD-GOD the HOLY Spirit.
As i had written before you are a MODALIST, you believe there is ONE GOD, which is both GOD the SON, and GOD the Holy Spirit.
Jeremiah 23 verses 1- 6
The Coming Messiah: the Righteous Branch
1 “Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of My pasture!” declares the LORD.
2 Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel concerning the shepherds who are tending My people: “You have scattered My flock and driven them away, and have not attended to them; behold, I am about to attend to you for the evil of your deeds,” declares the LORD.
3 “Then I Myself will gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their pasture, and they will be fruitful and multiply.
4 “I will also raise up shepherds over them and they will tend them; and they will not be afraid any longer, nor be terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the LORD.
5 “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;
Quiznos and Satan both teach that Jesus is not God and that we are not saved by the blood of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ. They also teach that the New Testament is not inspired by God.
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
**IS JESUS OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??
John 1:1-4,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD*. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was **LIFE** and that **LIFE**was the **LIGHT OF ALL MANKIND**...No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father.
John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!
Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}
Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!
John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"
**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!
Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!
Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"
Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"
**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**
Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!
Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!
Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!
There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."
John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!
NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!
Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!
Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
Teddyhug, you said "First of all Im in the same boat as R123 and agree with him in the first thread on the subject when he stated "When a person reads the Old and or New Covenant they will never find the word ' trinity ' nor will they find anyone teaching such a doctrine.""
Quiznos said that and I replied to it like this:
Jesus told the disciples to spread the knowledge of what is now known as the doctrine of the trinity:
"Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28.19)
Well at least you are reading R123! But are you paying attention to context of Scripture as a whole???
Ahhhh so I thought that you was quoting what you believe and your "church" taught you and so it was actually Quiznos instead!
That is exactly what my old "church" would start a study like. HA! Start with truth and THEN by the power of preacher boys evil lips READ INTO the Bible that "the disciples (were) to spread the knowledge of what is now known as the doctrine of the trinity" then??? Really! That is quite the CULT doctrine! Right R123? Wanna be "church pastors" and or cemetery (seminary) taught preachers WILL be held accountable for adding words to what the disciples ACTUALLY taught, which IS NOT the CONTEXT of WORDS of the Bible! YICKS!
I see you ONLY post ONE verse to I guess support a slam dunk of the truth there are 3 "persons" of a so called read into the Bible "the doctrine of the trinity" thing??? REALLY R123, that's the best you got? The Baptism verse - "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28.19)"
Ummmm R123, Don't think you may be aware yet that there is strong evidence in research that the Papacy had this verse (Matt 28:19) inserted in the Greek text in about 1522 when Erasmus published his version of the Greek NT if I remember right. Of course the Papacy goes back to the very first "pope" which was Constantine the sly "christian" impersonator but really a sun worshiper to
the bone, before they were even named "pope" and "papacy" in title form! Rome is alive and well today as you may know or maybe not!
Here is the verse in question again. Matthew 28:19 KJV "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Remember when we do a Bible study on any subject like the man made up "trinity doctrine" that came WELL BEFORE the Papacy existed and that was in Egypt in one way shape or form in teaching if I recall aright, we should do our studies according to the Prophet Isaiah found in chapter 28:9,10 and 13 in understanding Biblical doctrine!!! We should also have two or three more witnesses (2 Corth 13:1; 1 Tim 5:19; and the fella's that always made the best herbal tea's in He-brews 10:28) available in Scripture to come to the correct understanding in doctrine also! Correct? Lets look at some witnesses AND here a little and there a little in the Bible, shall we?
When it comes to baptism in the Bible, would the Bible have contradictions!? Lets look at several witnesses of Scripture!
Acts 2:38 KJV "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 8:16 NLT "The Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them, for they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Acts 10:48 NASB "And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days."
Acts 19:5 KJV "When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.'
Galatians 3:27 KJV "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
Well now this is interesting! The 5 witness verses above says baptism takes place "in the name of Jesus Christ" or "into Christ" only and NOT including of/into the Father, and of/into the Holy Ghost! Hmmmm.... Could Matthew 28:19 indeed be added to Scripture by the Papacy and having it written in red so that the Messiah said it??? Yicks! Can we find another witness to help clarify what appears to be a contradiction in baptism? Lets look at one more!
1 John 5:7 KJV "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Baptizing them in the name of the Father, that is through His Word the Son (Is the only way to the Father!) now in the flesh and revealed by His set apart Holy Spirit as a gift to the converted Saint! Its this baptism that is used to teach all nations the oneness of Father Yahuwah! Selah.
For Yah'usha says in - "Matthew 28:19 KJV "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Ahhh but what of the continuation of verse 19 into 20 that MANY Bible students seem to overlook???
Matthew 28:20 KJV (And) "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Why doesnt Yah'usha say in plural then "to observe all things whatsoever" WE "have commanded you:" AND "lo," WE ARE "with you alway, even unto the end of the world." if they were three "G-ds" in a "trinity" of "persons" so many churches teach today???
Good question? Yes? No? Where is the weight of Scriptural evidence and witnesses R123?
What you just stated I "believe" is the exact opposite of what I posted dude! That is soooooo disrespectful of me when I told you exactly what I meant! But like I said before, YOU have a reading comprehension problem and reasoning difficulties to boot in understanding me and the Bible - you claim is NOT inspired! Is it any wonder then you have a hard time understanding because YOU are unlearned, unstable and wrestle with the simple Scriptures (28 books) with verse(s) I gave you to your own destruction? AND so you ignore the Scriptures I gave YOU, so no comment from you dude??? Closed minded? Yepper you are!
But here for the last time in a nutshell is what I.. I... I.. stated AGAIN - Mar 13,1:11 PM "What FAITH do I "associate with" you ask? I "associate with" with my Father Yahuwah in heaven by His written set apart WORD (that became flesh) and reading it in my Bible, then I pray and receive guidance from His set apart Holy Spirit, all in that order!" - ALSO - "There is ONLY ONE Yahuwah and his "characteristic parts" and so how did you miss that in ALL my CLEAR posts?
So your last post here is useless to understanding any "words" I posted because YOU cannot understand the WORD (Yah'shua) of the Bible, can YOU!? Like the simple Scriptures (28 books) with verse(s) I gave you!
YOU cannot understand Yahuwah is OMNIPRESENT (can be present everywhere at the same time) with His "characteristic parts," yet IS ONE Yahuwah but humans cannot be omnipresent for everything about us exists as a unit together, even though we have different "parts" to us also. For instance we/I can write down our "words" on paper, mail them off or send emails, write "words/communication" like I'm doing now, yet I'm in the same location writing as the body unit that I 'am! We cannot put our spoken words in another body.
Your stuck in your CULT "church" taught doctrine and give "labels" to people like me as an excuse to deny truth! Even when I give you the Scriptures (28 books) with verse(s), do all the work for you junior! Here I will give you some of your own medicine. YOU must believe in your mind "mode" of your "GODS" with your faith of PLURALMODISM because you claim so many "GODS"
because you ask me those silly questions to me! LOL!
Then to your own destruction YOU ATTEMPT to have Jeremiah 23:1- 6 speak your dogma PLURALIST view I guess, yet do not realize the context of the WHOLE Bible, the DEPTH of it all, that His set apart "WORD" and Yahuwah the Father are ONE and the SAME from the beginning! Do YOU know what a prophet is "Quiznos" as Jeremiah is PROPHESIZING that a Messiah - tsedek ( =
righteous, righteously, righteousness, just, justice, fairly and accurate.... You could easily add perfect! ) is COMING which was originally Yahuwah - HIS SET APART WORD and will be put in the FLESH! Got it? Of course you would have to have Yahuwah's SET APART HOLY SPIRIT to reveal that to you but then you don't believe all the Bible is inspired! Right? I'm probably wasting my time!? I will leave you here with simple truth here below.
It was BEFORE that Yahuwah the Father called His very own WORD, which is Himself, and LATER called it His ONLY Son and give it a name Yah'shua!
John 1:1,2 (KJV) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."
John 1:14 (KJV) "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Now this is funny, your dogma PLURALIST view above in your post states your PLURAL "GODS" when you now call them "YAHOWAH tsedek" and "YEHOWAH tsedek" so YOU DO have YOUR faith of PLURALMODISM!!! LOL! By the way, correct ancient Hebrew has ONLY vowels of A, I, and U dude! Not E's and O's.
You seem to have forgotten a few important pieces of information dealing with the Scripture you posted
1. Context, you pulled the scriptures away from their context.
2. Tense, what tense are these verses written in, past present or future tense.
The Greek word baptidzo means to be IMMERSED or dipped repeatedly.
Galatians 3 verses 23 - 29
23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, confined for the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For you are all children of God, through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring and heirs according to promise.
Being ' baptized' INTO Messiah means to study His life, who He is, what He is like, in order to PUT ON His character, attitude, and personality.
Matthew 28 verses 18- 20
Again this also is not about being dunked under water but rather being IMMERSED INTO the name of the Father, the SON, and the Holy Spirit.
The name of the Father reveals who He is and what He is like, the same can be said of the SON and the Holy Spirit.
The name, and compound names of the Father have been fulfilled in the SON , that is why Messiah can say, that the Father is in me, and i am in the Father.
I and the Father are one, But not the same person as you believe.
But are you paying attention to context of Scripture as a whole??? 
REALLY R123, that's the best you got? 
The Baptism verse - "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28.19)"
