Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?
Posted : 5 Mar, 2020 11:04 AM
Actually you have to believe that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is God since He is called God **SEVEN TIMES**in the NT and twice in the OT. Jesus is also called **LORD** over 200 times including **LORD** of lords in Rev 17:14. Many times in God's Word it tells only to worship **GOD ALONE** and Jesus is worshipped 12 times in the NT including by everyone in heaven.
Also God's Word claims that we can only be saved in the NT by **FAITH** {A Free Gift of God} in the **BLOOD ATONEMENT** of Jesus Christ. And if Jesus was born in an ordinary way he would have inherited Adam's sinful nature and could not have made a blood atonement for our sins!
You do not have to believe that the holy spirit to be saved since the holy spirit is never called **GOD** or **LORD** and is ever worshipped in the NT. Jesus baptizes with the holy spirit all of the saints that the Father has Drawn and Enabled to be saved. Jesus also told the holy spirit to inspire the 8 writers of the NT only with the words that Jesus gives him in John 16:12-15. In our eternal home in the heavenly New Jerusalem there will be only **TWO THRONES** for the Father and Jesus as per
Revelation 22:3. If the holy spirit is CO-EQUAL and CO-ETERNAL with the Father and Jesus like the Roman Catholics teach, then the holy spirit would also have a throne our eternal home in the heavenly New Jerusalem.
Revelation 21:22-23; 22:3: I did not see a temple in the city because the Lord God almighty and the **LAMB** are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb** is its lamp... The Throne of God and of the **LAMB**will be in the city.
Revelation 3:21: Jesus says, to the one who is victorious I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with My Father on His throne.
**IS JESUS OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??
John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!
Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}
Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!
John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"
**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!
Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!
Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"
Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"
**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**
Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!
Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!
Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!
There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."
John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!
NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!
Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**! {You will notice that the holy spirit is not mentioned when everyone in heaven worships only the Father and the **LAMB** Jesus.
Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
John 1:1-4,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD** He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, without Him nothing was made. In Him was life, an that life was the **LIGHT** of all mankind... No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, **WHO IS HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!!
Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?
Posted : 5 Mar, 2020 12:47 PM
**THE WONDERFUL NAMES OF OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST**!!
Jesus in English is Yeshua or Joshua in Hebrew and means **GOD IS HELP**!! Joshua in Hebrew is phonetically pronounced "YESHUA" since the "J" in Hebrew is pronounced "YEH". “Christ” comes from the Greek word "Christos", meaning “Anointed One” or “Chosen One.” This is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Masheach, or “Messiah.” Jesus the Messiah in Hebrew is pronounced **YESHUA HA MASHEACH**
Matthew 1:21-23: The angel of the Lord said, " She will give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name **JESUS** {Which means **GOD IS HELP**}, because He will save His people from their sins." All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said {In Isaiah 7:14 below} through the prophet: "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son and they will all Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!"
Luke 2:9,10: An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them. The angel said, "I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. Today in the town of David a **SAVIOR** has been born to you; He is the **MESSIAH**, the **LORD**!"
Isaiah 7:14: "The Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL!" {Which means **GOD WITH US**! quoted in Matthew 1:23 above}
Isaiah 9:6: For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called **WONDERFUL COUNSELOR** and **MIGHTY GOD**!
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD** AND **SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for Himself a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
**JESUS CHRIST** is also called **THE LAMB OF GOD** **THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE** **THE GOOD SHEPHERD** **JUDGE** **LORD OF LORDS** **HEAD OF THE CHURCH** **MASTER** **FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS** **THE ROCK** **HIGH PRIEST** **THE DOOR** **LIVING WATER** **BREAD OF LIFE** **ROSE OF SHARON** **ALPHA AND OMEGA** **THE BEGINNING AND THE END** THE TRUE VINE** **TEACHER** **PROPHET** **ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD** **HOLY ONE** **ONLY MEDIATOR** **LIGHT OF THE WORLD** **IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD** **THE WORD** **CHIEF CORNERSTONE** **SAVIOR** **AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH** **THE ALMIGHTY** **KING OF KINGS** **PRINCE OF PEACE** **SON OF MAN** **REDEEMER** **BRIGHT MORNING STAR** **THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE**!!
Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?
Posted : 6 Mar, 2020 03:19 PM
Parehtban: We are only born again through the Living Word of God. So start reading the New Covenant and start with the book of John and you must be willing to forsake your many sinful pleasures and seek God with all your heart amd pray that you can understand the eternal truths in God/s Word. If you in your heart love your sinful pleasures amd believe you can still keep some of sinful pleasures after you become a Christian. you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven just as the majority of churches that now follow Satan. Unfortunately you grew up with a church that believed you can be assured of the Kingdom of Heaven if you attended church and accept Jesus as your Savior; and still live with many evil and materialistic pleasures. If you are really serious you will want to help the poor rather than you worldy pleasures.
I Peter 1:23-25: For you have born again, not of perishable seed, but the imperishable, through the **LIVING AND ENDURING WORD OF GOD**. For all people are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the Word of the Lord **ENDURES FOVER**!!
Hebrews 11:1,6: Now **FAITH** is confidence in **WHAT WE HOPE FOR** and assurance about **WHAT WE DO NOT SEE**!.... And without **FAITH** it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He **REWARDS THOSE WHO EARNESTLY SEEK HIM**!!
Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?
Posted : 7 Mar, 2020 09:18 AM
What is this "born again through the Living Word of God" you keep posting? What are these 'sinful pleasures' you accuse me of THREE times in your post? Like I asked Quiznos, where are these "laws" or "rules" you speak of found in the Bible? If you are going to judge me, then why not give me Scripture to show me my 'sinful' ways because I dont even know what that word 'sin' means and its definition! Like I told Quiznos, I was 'saved' LONG ago from my filth and dirtyness the preacher told me! Now I live the happy life because all my dirt and ugliness is gone! Im saved long ago from past, present and future "sins" they told me and I dont even know what they are??? They NEVER said in the church I grew up in that I can be assured of the 'Kingdom of Heaven' if I just attend that church! Where did you get that from my post??? I live the happy life now, don't need the hospital church thing, I'm SAVED and look to the "God" in the sky! Im for ever "saved" of all my past "sins", present "sins" and future "sins" they told me and now I follow this "Jesus" that is in heaven to live a happy life. So that is what I do!
I party and have a good time, love everyone, have not hurt anyone, so I "BELIEVE" in loving everyone! You claim those are 'sinful pleasures' of mine??? You seem to pride yourself of quoting so much Scripture but are lacking in showing me the 'sinful pleasures' of mine? Why?
Finally back to the BIG question you do not answer!? Where are these "rules/laws" of "sins" listed at in the Bible about my so called "sinful pleasures' you accuse me of ? Are they like found in Exodus 20:3-17? I thought I was already "saved" from my filth and dirtyness they told me long ago in church! So what's up with these 'sinful pleasures' you talk about when Im already 'saved' from all future 'sins' the preacher told me then?
The title of this thread is "do you love God" and I do!!!
Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?
Posted : 7 Mar, 2020 09:52 PM
"Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?"
Does a person need to believe the whole Bible to be saved? or just some of it? I don't know, but it helps tremendously if you believe ALL of it, not just pick out verses here and there. Lol
Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?
Posted : 7 Mar, 2020 10:04 PM
@ silver
Luke 23
39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 “And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
Does a person need to believe in the doctrine of the trinity in order to be saved?
Posted : 8 Mar, 2020 06:40 AM
Quiznos: "When a person reads the Old and or New Covenant they will never find the word ' trinity ' nor will they find anyone teaching such a doctrine."
Jesus told the disciples to spread the knowledge of what is now known as the doctrine of the trinity:
"Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28.19)
