WOW! Elijah must have had one amazing view when he was caught up in a whirlwind !!
I know I did when I went up in a plane the first time!! Flat as a pancake!!
Teddyhug quote from a previous flat earth movement thread:
So NOW you just "disrespected" your "intelligent leader" claiming he bends water, earth does not have corners, its not His footstool, it has no firmament keeping the water from pouring in, like the time of the flood when the "windows of heaven were opened up" and the things of earth was destroyed!
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Chuck/Khutzpa quote:
@Parehtban
Yawn, still no facts? Look dude, I've done some surveying in my time. Guess what? Surveying large distances HAS to take into consideration of curvature and refraction.
Here is some advice for you: Get off, getting off on your conspiracy web sites and read some unbiased information by people who have no horse in the race.
PLEASE GOOGLE THIS:
"Error and Correction for the Curvature of the Earth, and Refraction (Surveying)" It doesn't matter what articles come up - read them!
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The emblem of the United Nations contains a polar azimuthal equidistant projection. A useful application for this type of projection is a polar projection which shows all meridians (lines of longitude) as straight, with distances from the pole represented correctly.
A retired career surveyor for 32 years on this radio program says the following:
They NEVER referenced any markers on BIG projects. The curve was NEVER taken into account. So from one city to the next you have a whole bunch of suveyors working on different plane models and these models have to link up. So eventually you should see a curve there.
Surveyor quote "I am wondering if you actually took the geodetic markers and placed them , what kind of shape you would end up with ?...Elevation is refereced on the geodetic model and based off a plane...which is only good for that exact location"
What is interesting is these markers are put down by the U.S.Geological Survey who are the creators of the Azimuthal equidistant map which is not a globe map but a plane map!! ...So the >>>>PREMIER MAP MAKERS OF THE WORLD<<<<have a geodetic model there that surveyors don't use!!
"So your telling me that ALL my projects that even though they LOOK straight they are actually crooked? How does that actually work?"
"It's like Al Queda...you can't find them but they are there " (curvature) according to the suveyor textbooks.
So if anything could make the geodetic model more accurate it would be the satellite system. Especially since these two government organizations are linked but here is the kicker..they don't care because no one is using that model!!
To sum it all up: Water always determines the level! LOL
Taking you from an East Coast landmark to a West Coast icon, the Washington, D.C., to San Francisco route cuts through America's heartland with unforgettable stops along the way. At slightly over 2,800 miles, you could break down this 40-hour trip into five eight-hour driving days with four overnight stops. Hmm. wonder how they know this? Surveyors perhaps?
The distance from earth to the sun? GOOGLE THIS CHUCK: 92.96 million miles. Now I don't know about you...but I would hate to be that surveyor! Burnt to a crisp now wouldn't you say? Aren't they saying they want to colonize the moon and also mars? LMBO! We never went to the moon according to NASA'S own mouth! Maybe you should use your own advice there Chuckk: " read some unbiased information by people who have no horse in the race." and perhaps some critical thinking skills would be useful as well.
"We can only fly in earth's orbit." They want to go to the moon next! What a crock of lies.
MAN!...is Google maps lazy. My husband lost an hour out on delivery because the database isn't updated. hmmm...maybe they are busy with the satellite system and GPS to update their model! LOL
WOW! Great work KJO, you have been BUSY in truth! You hit the nail right on the head because Chuck thinks the taught surveyors so called truth in ending the flat earth teaching because they are told about the curvature! Yet in the field they never use it in calculations!
Prime example Is the testimony of a retired commercial BIG TIME surveyor for large surveys! Going to call him a liar Chuck???
Watch the vid dude and be changed! "Come let us reason together says the Lord"
You heard a surveyor talk on the radio? I doubt you even understood what you posted. My advice was to go to a Surveyor Forum where real surveyors practice and discuss their trade/skill/craft. You think they discuss refraction and curvature errors because they are round earth conspirators?
I don't believe the earth is "flat" and I'm not sure who does or doesn't here. Additionally, this isn't to start an argument.
I believe the earth to be spherical in orientation, but of course not a perfect sphere as the edges are obviously not smooth. We can survey other planets and stars to get the central orientation of them. For example, from the earth we can observe the moon including its orientation and axis. Obviously the overall view is consistent, but what we see is determined by its axis, which consistently demonstrates a sphere. Additionally how the earth orients itself to the sun, moon, and other stars. Sometimes it's dark in places, other times it is light. Some places are dark many days out of the year. If it were a flat disk rotating, then we wouldn't see those places staying dark for so long. It would change like everything else each day. But hey, if someone wants to believe the earth is flat, then of course it is their choice.
These guys work for a living with the earths curvature. They are not pseudo scientists. The antennas they install HAVE TO work, or they don't get paid!
Distance between two antennas
geometry trigonometry used to account for the curvature of the earth:
d = 3.57sqrt(h)
can also be worked out using
d = 3.57( sqrt(K[h1]) + sqrt(K[h2]) )
Where d
d
is the distance between an antenna and the horizon (or between two antennas) in kilometers, h
h
is the height of
The exact distance, d
d
, from the top of the tower of height h
h
to the horizon is
d=2rh+h2−−−−−−−√
dki
=
2
r
h
+
h
2
where r
r
is the radius of the Earth. However, if we assume the height of the tower is insignificant in comparison to the radius of the Earth, we can make the following distance approximation:
I went to the link you shared, but it was something other than what you're suggesting. It's to calibrate cell phone towers locally. So say you want to place a cell tower in one spot and another 4 miles away, you have to adjust for any changes or curves so that Tower A can transmit to Tower B optimally. Has nothing to do with large scale curvature or orientation of the earth.
Apparently you didn't understand the material and were posting an equation that has more usefulness to Verizon and AT&T.
Ummm....yeah, whatever you think. Oh btw, in the PDF, check out the value "E" in the equation, it represents the curvature of the earth. Have a good day.
However, I am surprised you realized I posted two different equations. But that's not the point, the point is they both use a value for the curvature of the earth.
That is incorrect. You can have a relatively flat plane with some curvature and you would need to apply this, and actually that's what it's mainly fore. Say you build an antenna 24.5 ft, you might have to build the next 28.3 to adjust so that A is properly aligned and calibrated to B for an optimal signal. When you receive a signal, it's a link between many signals repeating information to the next at a very high speed.
If you're talking about curvature of the earth, you're going to have similar measurements depending on the hemisphere. If I were to take a perfect globe and roll it to an opposite end, the measurements would be equal. If I increase the volume of the sphere, the diameter, and circumference will expand with it, but the measure of the curvature will be constant, or else it wouldn't be a sphere.
Tothmax, you are a bizarre individual. You start off with this is incorrect, then post back to me what I just said in different words. Whatever make you happy!
Maybe you should use your own advice there Chuckk: " read some unbiased information by people who have no horse in the race." and perhaps some critical thinking skills would be useful as well. 
