Thread: To "BELIEVE" means trust, not belief in particular propositions.
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To "BELIEVE" means trust, not belief in particular propositions.
Posted : 13 Feb, 2020 05:35 PM
BELIEVE = Emunah = Faithfulness
Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness. (Genesis 15:6)
One of the most quoted verses about Abraham is Genesis 15:6: “Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.” This is a key verse in the discussion about being saved by faith apart from works, the central point of the Reformation. It was Abram’s “believing” that gave him righteousness in God’s sight. Protestants have emphasized the importance of believing God’s promises, instead of working to earn our salvation.
But it is important to understand that the key word, emunah, that we translate “believe” has a different emphasis in Hebrew than we tend to hear. In English and Greek (pistis), its primary meaning is to assent to a factual statement, to agree with the truth of certain ideas.
The word emunah does mean to have faith, but it has a broader meaning that has implications for what God calls us to as people of faith. It contains the idea of steadfastness or persistence. In Exodus 17 Moses raised his hands all day long until the Israelites won a key battle. It says that his hands remained steady, emunah, until sunset. In this sense it means steadfast. God is also described using the word emunah in Deuteronomy 7:9:
“Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful (emunah) God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands. “
If we look back at the verse about Abraham’s emunah, it should tell us that Abraham believed God’s promises and had a persistent commitment to God which showed in his faithful life. He waited 25 years for a son, and offered him back to God when he was asked.
This has implications about what it means to be a Christian. I used to wonder why God saved certain people just because they decided to adopt one particular set of beliefs over another. But as James pointed out, Satan himself believes that Jesus died for the sins of the world and that he is God in the flesh, and just knowing that doesn’t redeem him!
But while Satan may have the right beliefs, he cannot say that he has emunah: a committed faithfulness to the Lord. What God asks for goes beyond an academic decision to believe that a certain set of facts are true. He wants faith in his promises that results in a steadfast faithfulness to him.
To "BELIEVE" means trust, not belief in particular propositions.
Posted : 13 Feb, 2020 07:45 PM
"Am FAITHING into Messiah"
I like that.
I've also noticed a certain ambiguity in the Greek were "faith in Messiah" could be translated as "faith of Messiah". For me it's a reality check guarding against easy believism.
To "BELIEVE" means trust, not belief in particular propositions.
Posted : 15 Feb, 2020 05:57 AM
I wonder why others have not replied to this post,hmmmm.
Maybe the wonder twins toth and kjvee are off somewhere correcting the spelling of superman.
Could hugs be out digging up the past of someone from years gone by.
Needs a friend, well she shows herself when she has something critical to say, then leave to think of more criticism.
How about cake, she talks with the self proclaimed pastors that tell her how and what to think about,she will not reply as she needs a pastor to lead her into answering the post.
Davey, he is in hiding, as his feewings seem to be hurt and he needs time in therapy to recover.
To "BELIEVE" means trust, not belief in particular propositions.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2020 12:10 PM
"student Quiznos" writes,
"I wonder why others have not replied to this post, hmmmm. Could hugs be out digging up the past of someone from years gone by."
Well "student Quiznos" you make quite the assumption that it was "years gone by" of your name calling, which was really recent!
You trying to hid your sins, claiming they were years ago??? Why not just repent of them and be done with them, instead of hanging on to them? I'm simplying calling you out of your name calling, your sins as the Bible says I'm suppose to do so - James 5:20.
Is it any wonder by your MASSIVE posting of new threads that old ones are missed because of you, like this one! Then there are others that probably read this thread and think what's the point in posting when they UNDERSTAND WHAT FAITH IS! They agree, at least the way they see it anyway.
So why is it you are so judgmental of others on this forum like Toth, KJO, Needsafriend, Cupcake and David, claiming YOU know what they are like. Does that help your message on your many threads accomplish much good? Not hardly!
To "BELIEVE" means trust, not belief in particular propositions.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2020 12:19 PM
This thread is missing the BIG point of what TRUE FAITH is like Abraham had! The article is missing the complete point of WHAT Abraham "believed" in fully! Jesuit ha Chuckk claiming to be the master teacher of this forum misses his opportunity to teach beyond the article he quotes, the KEY text in Genesis, namely Chapter 26 and verse 5!
KJV - "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.'
NIV - "because Abraham obeyed me and did everything I required of him, keeping my commands, my decrees and my instructions."
DRB - "Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my precepts and commandments, and observed my ceremonies and laws.
Then the article goes on to state - "The word emunah does mean to have faith, but it has a broader meaning that has implications for what God calls us to as people of faith. It contains the idea of steadfastness or persistence." but the article never says what the broader view the Bible states on the EVIDENCE of TRUE FAITH, which is WORKS, the REAL "steadfastness or persistence" in keeping Yahuwah's Torah Law!
What a complete misinformed bad joke to claim - "One of the most quoted verses about Abraham is Genesis 15:6: “Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.” and claim ALL PEOPLE "MOSTLY QUOTE" that verse!? Give me a break
from your ignorance dude! And Chuckk believes this article FULLY and SUPPORTS it, for he posts it, he OWNS it and its incomplete message of FAITH!
Finally the sickly teacher Lois Tverberg, the writer of said article, that Chuckk FULLY endorses, says - "But as James pointed out, Satan himself believes that Jesus died for the sins of the world and that he is God in the flesh, and just knowing that doesn’t redeem him! But while Satan may have the right beliefs, he cannot say that he has emunah: a committed faithfulness to the Lord."
"But while Satan may have the right beliefs" WHAAAAAAAAT! What possible right beliefs??? Are you kidding me, he has no beliefs except himself! He is his own GOVERNMENT that claims to be like the most High CREATOR! WOW, what a FALSE TEACHING article!
Ooooh please spare me the false teaching! Satan himself keeps NO LAW, for he is a LAW unto himself, you blind man Lois Tverberg and ha Chuckk posts this thread of this trash talk??? That was satan's whole purpose from the beginning in the garden with Adam and Eve, to say now Eve did "G_d" say not to eat of that tree and you would surely die? YEAH satan claims no LAWS should be on humans, NO GOVERNMENT, do away with them all, you see!!! Wake up! This article is a SHAME to REAL FAITH in RIGHTEOUSNESS!
Its a fact satan claims unrighteousness which is no LAW but of his own! So satan has NO proper "emunah" because he is not committed to TRUE FAITHFULNESS in his "love" of Yahuwah and tells humans there is no need of Torah Law to be kept! Simple facts, no?
In closing "faithful" ha Chuckk to his beloved article posts - "What God asks for goes beyond an academic decision to believe that a certain set of facts are true. He wants faith in his promises that results in a steadfast faithfulness to him."
Ahhh isn't that a nice play on fancy words like "academic decision" making, LOL! Article once again NEVER states WHAT FAITH is that goes beyond YHWH's promises, namely WORKS, ACTION that PROVE our steadfast faithfulness to Him! The simple "certain set of facts that are true" is that LIKE Abraham we are to "obey and do everything required of YHWH, keeping His commands, His decrees and His instructions" by FAITH! He wants our FAITH in his ways, Laws, not just His promises! For that is TRUE steadfast faithfulness to Him!
I'm simplying calling you out of your name calling, your sins as the Bible says I'm suppose to do so - James 5:20. 
and claim ALL PEOPLE "MOSTLY QUOTE" that verse!? Give me a break 
He wants our FAITH in his ways, Laws, not just His promises! For that is TRUE steadfast faithfulness to Him!