Author Thread: Render to Caesar your marriage
KJVonly

View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 9 Jan, 2020 11:44 PM

I do recall Y'shua saying to render to Caesar the things things that are Caesars and pay your taxes but I don't recall him giving Caesar authority over marriages.

Article

Marriage Without Pastor and Without State License

Posted on May 12, 2007 |

Many pastors claim that it is their duty to authorize marriages suggesting that without them you cannot be married. But what does the Holy Bible say on the issue?



The first man was married without a pastor.



Genesis 2:21-25

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman,

because she was taken out of Man.

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave

unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And they were both naked, the

man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Question: Was Adam married? Did Adam need a state license? Did Adam need the authorization of some man?

Genesis 11:29

And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram’s wife was Sarai;

and the name of Nahor’s wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of

Milcah, and the father of Iscah.

Was Abraham married or not? Did Abraham need a pastor to authorize his marriage?

Genesis 24:67

And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah’s tent, and took Rebekah, and she

became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother’s

death.

Was Isaac married? Did Isaac need a pastor to authorize his marriage?

Genesis 25:1

Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

It is plain to see that God recognizes a couple as married when they “cleave unto” each other.

Genesis 2:23-24

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she

shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,

and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Matthew 19:3-9

The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it

lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and

mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What

therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away

your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

And

I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication,

and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Additionally there is no scripture saying that marriage is only marriage when authorized by some pastor. Marriage licenses submits your marriage to the jurisdiction of the state, albeit unconstitutionally.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 10 Jan, 2020 05:34 PM

Wow, this ishh|H802 (KJVonly) knows the Torah, and is showing how absurd it is when these hypocrites, claiming to be pastors, make assertions that they cannot back up with scripture.



Furthermore, the anointed Hebrew and Greek writings are not for use in Egypt, but for those who are called to "Come out from among them..".



Yes, there are two marital contracts, one is not recognized by YHWH Elyon* (*the LORD Most High).



It's true, 100%True, that Adam was not joined to Eve, by YHWH Elhim, with a STATE-ISSUED MARRIAGE LICENSE, so you can throw that out as being a violation of scripture.



You see, there is one thing which is very important to YHWH, and that is His dbr* (*word). He spoke by Moses, and commanded Yshral, not to add anything to His word, nor to diminish ought from it.



When a preacher, pastor, I dont care what you call him, tells you something that is not written in the anointed Hebrew and Greek writings, know that he is of his Father, the Devil.



See the following two passages, one from Deuteronomy 4:2, and the other from Revelation 22:18-19, and know that no preacher is commanded by YHWH Elyon to speak words to marry a couple:



Deuteronomy 4:2:

2Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.



Revelation 22:18-19:

18¶For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book



Now, you need to remember, that if it is not written, by Righteous Sons of Light, then it is not valid doctrine.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 10 Jan, 2020 06:23 PM

My goodness, what an excellent post.



Yes, the STATE-ISSUED MARRIAGE LICENSE is a Limited Liability Corporation where two people are being enjoined to the fictional state, not to each other.



The marital covenant between a Righteous Man and Righteous Woman is a repeat of YHWH Elhim marrying His bride Yshral upon Mt. Sinai. There is no need for paper, or a document in writing, a verbal oath is all that is required:



"Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.

3For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

4When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.

5Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.

6Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands." ~ Eccl 5:2-6



Whenever two people enter into the marital covenant 1. Knowingly, 2. Willingly, and 3. Voluntarily, they are married in the Eyes of YHWH.



The marital covenant can be entered 3 ways. It can be by oath uttered, 2. by written covenant,

Post Reply



View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 10 Jan, 2020 06:29 PM

As I was stating, the marital covenant can be entered into three ways.



1. Verbal oath unto YHWH Elyon, joining yourselves unto Him.

2. Written contract, which is where the Jewish ketubah originated.

3. Consensual union. Removing the clothes, laying with another (except for the same sex), a. Knowingly, b. Willingly, 3. Voluntarily .

Post Reply

T0TH3M4X

View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 11 Jan, 2020 01:03 PM

Cesar is dead. :)

Post Reply

Alligator

View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 11 Jan, 2020 06:59 PM

thank you Toth.

Post Reply

T0TH3M4X

View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 11 Jan, 2020 09:29 PM

You're welcome Ms. Needsafriend :)

Post Reply

KJVonly

View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 01:16 PM

Yes, Caesar is dead but who did Caesar represent?

Was it the world system?

The beast system?

,,,, as they were contrary to Yahuwah's laws and worshiped other gods?

Post Reply



View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 01:39 PM

I think Gaius Caesar might have had a thing to say about men not giving up their spouses! lol!

Post Reply



View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 02:17 PM

What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"



What are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??



James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"



Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"



So any **OATH** or **VOW** including **MARRIAGE VOWS** comes from the Evil One and will be **CONDEMNED**in the New Testament Covenant!!

Post Reply

Moonlight7

View Profile
History
Render to Caesar your marriage
Posted : 12 Jan, 2020 04:35 PM

We're not living in OT times.



I believe God aprroves marriage between Man and woman, with a legalized marriage license .

Post Reply

Page : 1 2