13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Any thoughts?
Jesus made a second exodus , an escape from sin. An escape from slavery and oppression.
But what about what Paul says about being a wretched man? Do you think we take him out of context as Romans 7:14 seems to suggest that he is sold under sin?
Hebrews 4:14-16: Since we have a High Priest who has ascended into heaven. Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a High Priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have One who has been **TEMPTED** in every way, just as we are--yet without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need!!
Hebrews 2:18: Because He Himself suffered when He was **TEMPTED**, He is able to help those who are being **TEMPTED**!!
James 1:13-15: When **TEMPTED**, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone, but each person is **TEMPTED** when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin!
I Corinthians 10:13: No **TEMPTATION** has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful, He will not allow you to be **TEMPTED** beyond what you can bear. But when you are **TEMPTED**, He will also provide a way out so that you can endure it!
**HOWEVER, WE ARE COMMANDED TO WALK AS JESUS WALKED {SEE I JOHN 2:6} AND TO BE HOLY AS GOD IS HOLY, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO WE SIN DAILY. AND WE SHOULD **DAILY** ASK GOD TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND PURIFY US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS**!!
I John 2:6: Whoever claims to live in Him **MUST** live as Jesus did!!
John 15:12: Jesus says, "My command is this: Love each other **AS I HAVE LOVED YOU**!"
I John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned we make Him out to be a liar and His Word is not in us!
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach as to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'"
**IF WE DO NOT ASK THE FATHER IN JESUS NAME TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND REPENT OF OUR SINS GOD WILL DISCIPLINE US**
Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and repent!!"
Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** He accepts as a son! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? If you are not disciplined--and everyone undergoes discipline--then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!
The Bible speaks of a kind of habitual sinning vs sin that is not habitual or is not practiced as a way of life.
The Holy Spirit convicted person soon regrets his sin and by faith confesses the sin as an act against God. As believers become more aware of indwelling sin, they make confession calling sin for what it is—rebellion against God.
The book of 1 John discuses the difference between sinning as a way of life vs not sinning as a way of life. There is a stark difference.
John also says if anyone thinks he is without sin he is a liar. This verse is one of several biblical teachings indicating believers still sin and must make regular confession. Confession is the act of agreeing with God that a certain act is indeed a sin.
Some people misread scripture thinking it means saved people never sin again, thus they hold to the sin producing heresy of perfectionism
That people will inevitability sin but you confess it instead of let it fester and make a lifestyle habit of it.
I believe you can stop repetitive sin also but it takes effort and a desire. it comes down to obedience to God's Word and willpower because you love him .
Luke 18:10-14: Jesus says, Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am no like other people--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get. But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God have mercy on me a sinner.' I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified by God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted!!"
David writes - "The Bible speaks of a kind of habitual sinning vs sin that is not habitual or is not practiced as a way of life."
Have any Scripture to support that statement kind sir?
David writes - "The Holy Spirit convicted person soon regrets his sin and by faith confesses the sin as an act against God. As believers become more aware of indwelling sin, they make confession calling sin for what it is—rebellion against God."
So David. Lets reason this out. The "Holy Spirit (Set apart from YHWH) would convict a "habitual" (continual) person of sin as well as persons that are "not habitual" (just sin sometimes) sinners. Agree? Both "types" of sinners would hear Yahweh's Set Apart Holy Spirit and respond/repent? Or is one not responding to the 911 call? Have you not proof read your thoughts to see the reasoning problems with your statements? Is Yahweh coming to make robots out of his people or are they sinless at His return by choice, keeping the Torah Law like Yah'shua did perfectly? The difference is Yah'shua NEVER broke the Law of Sin and we HAD (notice the Biblical past tense) broke the Law of Sin at one time or another. Correct?
Sin is sin rather "habitual" or "not habitual" and all who dwell in sin will becomes ashes in the eternal fire - the end of them. Yah'shua is coming back for those (called Saints) that "sin no more" according to His own words!
To the sinning woman that repented because Yah'shua could see a change in her, she was truly sorry for her sins! Yah'shua says to her in Jn 8:11 (KJV) "Go and sin no more." but you read it as go and sin less???
Yah'shua ALSO says in Matt 5:48 (AMPC) "You, therefore, MUST BE PERFECT [growing into complete [a]maturity of godliness in mind and character, [b]having reached the proper height of virtue and integrity], as your heavenly Father is perfect."
Of course NONE of that is possible without prayer, and by His power and might AND not just the FAITH in Yah'shua BUT the FAITH OF OF OF Yah'shua that kept the Torah law perfectly by continual prayer and by the power and might of His Father in heaven! Perfection of the Law is to be sinless but make sure you understand me that the Torah Law saves NOBODY! The Torah Law just condemns sinners to death, saves no one! FAITH IN and OF Yah'shua is what saves us after repentance.
Oh and the sin is not just toward Yah but also the person we would sin against OR against Yahweh (First 4 commandments).
Ultimately the sin is about breaking His Torah Law..... For we would not know what sin was except by the Law!
David writes - "The book of 1 John discuses the difference between sinning as a way of life vs not sinning as a way of life. There is a stark difference."
So according to your self reasoning you claim "sinning as a way of life vs not sinning as a way of life" are two different kind of sins??? One judged eternally in certain death (2nd death) and one "sin" is winked at because its NOT a continual "way of life" and come right into heaven because that person just sins some ??? Do you see how crazy that sounds David and certainly NOT Biblical!
The "stark difference" IS one person WILL be sinning and one WILL NOT be sinning at His return! Read your Bible and stop listening to false preachers with nooses around their necks, wanting their offering plates filled with yours coins!
Rev 22:11 (AMPC) "He who is unrighteous (unjust, wicked), let him be unrighteous still; and he who is filthy (vile, impure), let him be filthy still; and he who is righteous (just, upright, in right standing with God), let him do right still; and he who is holy, let him be holy still."
David writes - "John also says if anyone thinks he is without sin he is a liar. This verse is one of several biblical teachings indicating believers still sin and must make regular confession. Confession is the act of agreeing with God that a certain act is indeed a sin."
WHAT??? You claim this verse has ONLY to do with "believers still sin and must make regular confession" (mighty catholic of you!) and do the Richard7744 study method now??? Could not John (1 Jn 1:8-10) be talking about people that claim they NEVER sinned, maybe like the legalistic leaders of his day, claiming the Torah Law saves them when they keep it! How about athiest today? Wow!
Then you fail to read it all in context when John clearly says in 2:1 (KJV) "My little children (like the ones in this thread), these things write I unto you, THAT YE SIN NOT." BUT "If any man sin (chooses by his own strength and might) we have an Advocate (Yah'shua) with the Father, the Messiah the righteous"
David finally writes - "Some people misread scripture thinking it means saved people never sin again, thus they hold to the sin producing herecy of perfectionism"
So the Bible clearly speaks of "perfectionism" by Master Torah Keeper Yah'shua when He said in Matt 5:48 (AMPC) "You, therefore, MUST BE PERFECT" and now according to David He is a liar? Seems clear to me you think part time sinners will be saved when He returns and they will be called SAINTS that kept on in winking sinning??? Really David?
Or are you really teaching roboticism at His return because you don't trust your Bible when it teaches perfectionism? Then in Richard7744 like manner you do the flip and call perfectionism "herecy" (which you call sin) with no Scripture to support your cause.
Ultimately you say we cannot be "HOLY" and the verse above says otherwise! AGAIN not in our own strength can we be "HOLY" at His return for His people.
KJO writes - "That people will inevitability sin but you confess it instead of let it fester and make a lifestyle habit of it.
I believe you can stop repetitive sin also but it takes effort and a desire. it comes down to obedience to God's Word and willpower because you love him"
KJO writes - "That people will inevitability sin" That is a catholic doctrine of continual MASS you believe in???
KJO! Also I cannot believe you buy into this full time / part time sinner doctrine of David's and Richard7744! Wow!
So KJO. you state "I believe you can stop repetitive sin" and yet you state "that people will inevitability sin"??? So full time sin you can stop but part time sin you cannot? So the "willpower" you speak of I assume comes from Yahweh (His power and might) and that "power" from Him cannot keep you from sinning because we will always be disobedient, sinners??? Really?
You know what that sounds like? CHOICE! Its all about free will creatures of CHOICE! Right? Whom do you CHOOSE to serve today? TODAY is your salvation!
Oh and you speak of LOVE and what is that in the Bible? How do we show our LOVE to Him?
WOW Teddy , not so cuddly today! Need to change your user name
I will wait on David to post his answer but I do want to point out one of your quotes
Then you fail to read it all in context when John clearly says in 2:1 (KJV) "My little children (like the ones in this thread), these things write I unto you, THAT YE SIN NOT." BUT "If any man sin (chooses by his own strength and might) we have an Advocate (Yah'shua) with the Father, the Messiah the righteous"
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What is an advocate for ? a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy.
A Christian is also called by Scripture to maintain a repentant heart, routinely acknowledging sin and seeking God's grace and mercy in the midst of his daily mistakes. These activities are not done with the intent to secure or maintain salvation, yet they are expected nonetheless.
Paul says a BROTHER would be turned over for the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord at judgement. (70 A.D.)
This brother committed adultery with his father's wife. It does not mention that his brother repented. The other brothers were puffed up about it but Paul rebuked them to be sober minded and mourn and told them what was about to happen.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
1 John 3
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is NO sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth NOT: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
So if you are IN Christ , you cannot sin because Y'shua is Holy and righteous and it is HIS Holiness that covers you so that all the Father sees is you clothed in righteousness with his Son. The ones who DO sin are the ones who don't know God. The ones without Christ's covering , THE NAKED ones. The ones who practice sin and iniquity is found in them. Paul was saying in the scripture I posted earlier that God judges those that are outside the body of Christ but the ones in the body Paul was judging (If I am wrong , someone correct me!) as it defiled the body of Christ (I am guessing this brother did not repent and loved the sin too much)
Luke 17
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Matt.18
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin WILLFULLY AFTER that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Romans 6
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
