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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 11:00 AM

Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, in her 1876 book Old Truths in a New Light, states: “It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, ‘All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity’ ” (p. 382).

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 11:01 AM

Sumeria

“The universe was divided into three regions each of which became the domain of a god. Anu’s share was the sky. The earth was given to Enlil. Ea became the ruler of the waters. Together they constituted the triad of the Great Gods” ( The Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology, 1994, pp. 54-55)

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 11:02 AM

Babylonia

“The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god— as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity” (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 11:03 AM

India

“The Puranas, one of the Hindoo Bibles of more than 3,000 years ago, contain the following passage: ‘O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.’ The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied, ‘Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.’



“Hence the triangle was adopted by all the ancient nations as a symbol of the Deity . . . Three was considered among all the pagan nations as the chief of the mystical numbers, because, as Aristotle remarks, it contains within itself a beginning, a middle, and an end. Hence we find it designating some of the attributes of almost all the pagan gods” (Sinclair, pp. 382-383).

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 11:04 AM

Greece

“In the Fourth Century B.C. Aristotle wrote: ‘All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity’ ” (Arthur Weigall, Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, pp. 197-198).

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 11:05 AM

Egypt

“The Hymn to Amun decreed that ‘No god came into being before him (Amun)’ and that ‘All gods are three: Amun, Re and Ptah, and there is no second to them. Hidden is his name as Amon, he is Re in face, and his body is Ptah.’ . . . This is a statement of trinity, the three chief gods of Egypt subsumed into one of them, Amon. Clearly, the concept of organic unity within plurality got an extraordinary boost with this formulation. Theologically, in a crude form it came strikingly close to the later Christian form of plural Trinitarian monotheism” (Simson Najovits, Egypt, Trunk of the Tree, Vol. 2, 2004, pp. 83-84).

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 11:05 AM

Other areas

Many other areas had their own divine trinities. In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon and Adonis. The Phoenicians worshipped Ulomus, Ulosuros and Eliun. Rome worshipped Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto. In Germanic nations they were called Wodan, Thor and Fricco. Regarding the Celts, one source states, “The ancient heathen deities of the pagan Irish[,] Criosan, Biosena, and Seeva, or Sheeva, are doubtless the Creeshna [Krishna], Veeshnu [Vishnu], [or the all-inclusive] Brahma, and Seeva [Shiva], of the Hindoos” (Thomas Maurice, The History of Hindostan, Vol. 2, 1798, p. 171).

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 11:08 AM

“The origin of the conception is entirely pagan”



Egyptologist Arthur Weigall, while himself a Trinitarian, summed up the influence of ancient beliefs on the adoption of the Trinity doctrine by the Catholic Church in the following excerpt from his previously cited book:



“It must not be forgotten that Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon [the Trinity], and nowhere in the New Testament does the word ‘Trinity’ appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord; and the origin of the conception is entirely pagan . . .



“The ancient Egyptians, whose influence on early religious thought was profound, usually arranged their gods or goddesses in trinities: there was the trinity of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, the trinity of Amen, Mut, and Khonsu, the trinity of Khnum, Satis, and Anukis, and so forth …



“The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognized the mysterious and undefined existence of the Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One . . .



“The application of this old pagan conception of a Trinity to Christian theology was made possible by the recognition of the Holy Spirit as the required third ‘Person,’ co-equal with the other ‘Persons’ . . .



“The idea of the Spirit being co-equal with God was not generally recognised until the second half of the Fourth Century A.D. … In the year 381 the Council of Constantinople added to the earlier Nicene Creed a description of the Holy Spirit as ‘the Lord, and giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and Son together is worshipped and glorified.’ …



“Thus, the Athanasian creed, which is a later composition but reflects the general conceptions of Athanasius [the 4th-century Trinitarian whose view eventually became official doctrine] and his school, formulated the conception of a co-equal Trinity wherein the Holy Spirit was the third ‘Person’; and so it was made a dogma of the faith, and belief in the Three in One and One in Three became a paramount doctrine of Christianity, though not without terrible riots and bloodshed . . .



“Today a Christian thinker . . . has no wish to be precise about it, more especially since the definition is obviously pagan in origin and was not adopted by the Church until nearly three hundred years after Christ” (pp. 197-203).



James Bonwick summarized the story well on page 396 of his 1878 work Egyptian Belief and Modern Thought: “It is an undoubted fact that more or less all over the world the deities are in triads. This rule applies to eastern and western hemispheres, to north and south.



“Further, it is observed that, in some mystical way, the triad of three persons is one. The first is as the second or third, the second as first or third, the third as first or second; in fact, they are each other, one and the same individual being. The definition of Athanasius, who lived in Egypt, applies to the trinities of all heathen religions.”



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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 01:08 PM

The Roman Catholic Church was the first church to believe in the Trinity and even says that the holy spirit is **CO-EQUAL** with the Father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Unfortunately many Protestant churches also believe that the holy spirit is God and **CO-EQUAL** with the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.



However, Jesus is called **GOD** 7 times in God's inspired Word and **LORD** over 200 times. Whereas the holy spirit is never called God or Lord in God's Word and many Scriptures show that our Lord Jesus Christ has complete control of the holy spirit! Since Jesus Himself baptizes all new believers with the holy spirit and Jesus told the holy spirit what to inspire the writers of the New Testament what to write as per :



John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He **WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN**; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify **ME** because it is **FROM ME**that he receive what he will make known to you!!"



Luke 3:16: John the Baptist said, "I baptize you with water. But One who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. **HE** will **BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT** and fire!!"



And in the eternal New Jerusalem in Revelation chapters 21 and 22 the holy spirit is not even mentioned once. And there will be only **TWO THRONES** in the eternal New Jerusalem for the Father and for the **LAMB** Jesus Christ as per:



Revelation 22:3: The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the city!

Revelation 3:21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne!"



Zech does not even believe that our great God and Savior Jesus Christ is God or our Savior??



**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**



**IS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??



John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"



Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!



Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!



John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!



John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"



Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"



**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**



NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!



Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!



Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!



John I:1-4,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was Life, and that Life was the Light of all mankind...No one has seen God, the **ONE AND ONLY SON**, *WHO IS HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!



Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 01:57 PM

Consider these verses PLEASE!

John 8:32

Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Exodus 3:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

John 8:58



“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”



Isaiah 9:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

"Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."

Hosea 13:4, KJV

"And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he . . . And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:"

Mark 12:32, 39, KJV



"Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith."

Romans 3:30, KJV

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

1 Corinthians 8:6, KJV

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."

Galatians 3:20, KJV

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Ephesians 4:4-6, KJV

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

1 Timothy 2:5, KJV

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

John 8:32

Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."



Galatians 4:4

But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,



Philippians 2:7

but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.

John 17:22

I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one--



1 John 1:1

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands--this is the Word of life.



1 John 4:2

By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

Deuteronomy 6:4, KJV



"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Isaiah 44:6, KJV

"Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

Isaiah 44:8, KJV



"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:"

Isaiah 45:5, KJV



"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

Isaiah 45:21, KJV



Catch the power of this statement and the one above David:

"Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."

Hosea 13:4, KJV

"And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he . . . And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:"

Mark 12:32, 39, KJV



"Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith."

Romans 3:30, KJV





"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

1 Corinthians 8:6, KJV





"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."

Galatians 3:20, KJV





"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Ephesians 4:4-6, KJV





"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

1 Timothy 2:5, KJV





"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

James 2:19, KJV









God was Manifest in the flesh” (I Tim. 3:16 KJV) Ask yourself..Who is God ? There is but one God.





I believe:

With the Father and the Holy Spirit, the Son created all things,

sustains all things,

and makes all things new.

Truly God,

He became truly man,

two natures in one person.

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory” (I Tim. 3:16).

The Gospel of John traces Jesus’ existence & Being all the way back to the beginning; and reveals Jesus as God manifest in human flesh. The Book of Revelation gives us the full “revelation of Jesus Christ”(1:1).

John 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

This is why it takes a whole Bible to be a whole Christian (Matt. 4:4). You really grow & mature in your Faith as you read & study the Bible through from Gen. – Rev. We can’t afford to skip some books of the Bible any more than a Surgeon can skip a few anatomy classes!

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Posted : 24 Aug, 2019 04:05 PM

KJO,

I started to answer your verses one by one then as I scrolled down I realized you pulled a Richard Cranium move. I can't answer all this on my phone.



Suffice to say you're wrong, confused and deceived. Forr example God did not say "I am that I am" in Exodus. Read it in Hebrew or stay deceived.



Why don't you deal with what I posted?

Instead you pull a Richard Cranium move,

Posting a million out of context misinterpreted verses.



To bad you had to pull the 'bury them in verses in one post move'.

Idiotic behavior for discussion.

I would of happily discussed these one by one with you.

But you're actions like P7744 prove you're not a truth seeker.

You just want to win.

There - you won

Feel better?

Have a good day!

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