“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Jesus ascent to the High mountain prepares for his ascent to Calvary.
The Transfiguration of Jesus with Moses and Elijah with him as he spoke to them was a representation of the second coming and Moses represented the Law and Elijah the Prophets. Both faded away just as the Moses and Elijah. Gone.
Matthew 17 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
**WE ARE NO LONGER UDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OT LAW** Galatians 3:25
Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
In the New Testament **EVERY DAY** is the **LORD'S DAY** especially **TODAY**!!
Acts 2:44-46: All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to everyone who had need. **EVERY DAY** they continued to meet together!!
Hebrews 3:12,13: See to it brothers and sisters that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But **ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER **DAILY**, as long as it is called **TODAY** so that none of you may be hardened by sins deceitfulness!
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be put to death!
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be put to death. Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
This was possible in Israel since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 2,000 years after this commandment was given!!
Matthew 12:1-12: Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, the said to Him, "Look your disciples are doing what is **UNLAWFUL ON THE SABBATH**. Jesus answered, "Haven't you heard of what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests... If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is **LORD OF THE SABBATH**!" Going from that place, Jesus went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to being charges against Jesus, they asked Him, "IS IT LAWFUL TO HEAL ON THE SABBATH?" Jesus said to the, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath?" Jesus said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? Therefore it is lawful to do good {*WORK*} on the Sabbath!"
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and **I TOO AM **WORKING**!" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 9:16: The Pharisees said of Jesus, "This man is not from God , for He does **NOT KEEP THE SABBATH**!"
About 500 of the 613 Old Testament laws have been eliminated in the New Testament. There are
about 100 OT laws that are repeated in the New Testament. Then there are some OT laws that are obviously still in effect that are not mentioned or banned in the New Testament such as not wearing tattoos, not having sex with animals and selling your daughters as prostitutes.
Since Paul says over 20 times that we are **NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OT LAWS** there are many who teach that all of Paul's books are of Satan and since Luke and Peter confirm Paul the books of Luke and Acts and Peter are also of Satan and half of the other books in God's Word who disagree with their ridiculous doctrines are also of Satan.
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which **IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE**{ distort, as they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction!!
Acts 9:3-6,11,15: As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a Voice say to him: "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" ""Who are you Lord?" Saul {Paul} asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting." He replied. "Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do!"..... The Lord said to Ananias, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying!".... The Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT** to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!!"
Hark::
You have quoted I John 2:4 out of context and have wrongfully claimed that it shows we should obey OT commands instead of the commands of Jesus.
I John 2:1-5: My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father--**JESUS CHRIST**, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know Him [**JESUS**] if we keep His commands. Whoever says, "I know Him," but does not do what He {**JESUS**} commands is a liar and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys His Word, love for God is made complete in them. This is how we know we are in Him!!
John 14:23,24: Jesus says, Anyone who loves Me **WILL OBEY MY TEACHING**. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make Our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching!"
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**. And surely I am with you always!!"
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
Galatians 6:2: Fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"
*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!
Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; 3:2,5,10-13;23-25: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."
Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.
Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!
All of the OT Sabbath laws have been eliminated. Both Jesus and His Father have declared all foods are now clean. All of the OT sacrificial and temple laws have been eliminated. All of the stoning to death laws for breaking the law have been eliminated. All of the laws concerning an eye for an eye and making oaths have been eliminated. Circumcision laws have been eliminated. Loving one another as Jesus loved us has replaced loving one another as you love yourself.
Their about 400 NT laws to be obeyed with *LOVE* in the hope of countless eternal rewards for faithful and loving service has replaced the 613 OT laws.
In the OT God ordered Israel to kill their enemies many times and God helped them do it. However in the NT Jesus commands, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also." Luke 6:27-29
Leviticus 26:7,8: God said to Israel, "You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the SWORD before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the SWORD before you!" Numbers 25:16,17" The Lord said to Moses, "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them!" etc etc
HOWEVER IN THE NEW COVENANT, JESUS SAYS, "ALL WHO DRAW THE SWORD WILL DIE BY THE SWORD!"
Jesus said to His 11 Apostles, "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. For it is written: "And He was numbered with the transgressors"{Isaiah 53:12} and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in Me. Yes, what is written about Me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See Lord, here are 2 {Not 11}swords." "That is enough." Jesus replied.
Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"
And so the only reason that Jesus allowed the disciples to have 2 swords was so that the Scripture in Isaiah 53:12 would be fulfilled: "He was numbered among the transgressors."
Jesus said to Pilate, "My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, My servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But **NOW** My Kingdom is from another place!"
Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
This was changed by these NT commands by Jesus:
Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"
Luke 6:27-29: Jesus commands, "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you. do not demand it back!"
Romans 12:18-21: If it is possible, as far as it DEPENDS ON YOU, LIVE AT PEACE WITH EVERYONE! Do not take revenge my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written, "It is mine to revenge, I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary "If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head" Do not be overcome by evil but OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD!!
2 Corinthians 10:3,4: "For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are *NOT* the weapons of the world."
The only weapons that NT saints may use who follow the New Covenant commands of Jesus is the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God. A NT saint would not even think of joining the army of any nation and becoming a professional killer or defending himself with a gun. Unfortunately very few Groups such as the Amish and Mennonites still obey these sacred commands of Jesus.
I John 2:3-5: "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His {Jesus'} commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what He {Jesus} commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's love is truly made complete in him."
The inspired words of the NT were inspired by God between AD 50 and AD 96 and the 4 Gospels were written about AD 65 And so all of the approximately 400 NT commands were not completed and in force until Around AD 96.
When you join the military and become a professional killer you must make a **VOW** that you will obey all the commands of your commanding officer. And so if He commands you to drop an Atomic Bomb that will kill about 100,000 civilians including about 25,000 innocent children you must obey this command!!!
What is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*?? Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"
What are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??
James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.!!"
Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!"
Anyone who claims that Jesus did not change OT laws is completely blind. All of the OT Sabbath laws have been eliminated. All of the OT sacrificial and temple laws have been eliminated by the eternal sacrifice for sins by Jesus. All of the stoning to death laws for breaking the law have been eliminated. All of the laws concerning killing your enemies, and eye for an eye and making oaths have been eliminated. All Circumcision laws have been eliminated. And Jesus declared that all foods are now *CLEAN*!!
Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN!"
**WE ARE NO LONGER UDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OT LAW** Galatians 3:25
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My point exactly!
We are still under the 10 commandments/Royal law/Law of Liberty
Not the OT law with all the ordinances.
But don't you still believe in modern day Prophets Parrot? Most of the world does because they are still waiting on the soon coming return of Christ. The internet if full of men and women alike speaking of their prophetic dreams,visions and voices from god.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets
- Matthew 5:17
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah
- Jeremiah 31:31
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts
- Jeremiah 31:33
To date; Israel has and is entering this Covenant though Jesus.
We are still waiting on Judah.
Therefore the Law and the Prophets are in the heart of Israel.
And
The Law and the Prophets are on the Pages of Judah's Books.
AND!
The Law and the Prophets are in the trash cans of the Cheap Grace crowd. Not to sure how they are going to fare when they meet Jesus? But it doesn't look good. I can hear them now; "But, but, but Paul said...."
God's saints will only know when the Second Coming of Christ will be until the first day of the 1260-day Tribulation begins. For we know that our great God and Savior Jesus Christ will come on the **LAST DAY**!
Many prophets believe the 1260-day Tribulation may be extremely close since Pope Francis completely qualifies to be the future False Prophet of 666.
**POST-TRIB RESURRECTION VERSUS PRE-TRIB RAPTURE**??
The meaning of the English word **RAPTURE**:
According to Strong's Concordance; **RAPTURE** means: A displacement of the mind, bewilderment, ecstasy.
According to the Merriman Webster dictionary: **RAPTURE means : An expression or manifestation of **ECSTASY** or **PASSION**. The state of being transported **BY A LOFTY EMOTION OR ECSTASY**
The English word Ecstasy is **NEVER** mentioned in the New Testament and the English word **RAPTURE** is **NEVER USED IN GOD'S WORD!!
The English words Passion, Passionate and Passions are mentioned 6 times in the New Testament and has nothing to do with the Resurrection of God's saints:
Passion: I Corinthians 7:9
Passionate: I Thessalonians 4:5
Passions: Romans 7:5, Galatians 5:24 and Titus 2:12, Titus 3:3 which are mentioned below:
Titus 3:3: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of **PASSIONS** and pleasures.
Titus 2:11,12: The grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly **PASSIONS**, and to live upright and Godly lives, in this present age, while **WE** {Church Saints} wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the **GLORIOUS APPEARING** {Not a secret rapture} of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ!!
And so the English word **RAPTURE** does not at all refer to the **RESURRECTION** of God's saints at the **GLORIOUS APPEARING** of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ that **WE** {Church saints} are all waiting for!
Now the pre-tribbers believe that **ALL** the **CHURCH SAINTS**, dead or alive, will be raptured **BEFORE** the Great Tribulation begins and that the unbelievers will be resurrected **AFTER** the Great Tribulation ends 3 1/2 or 7 years later???
QUESTION??: DOES THE RESURRECTION OF GOD'S CHURCH SAINTS AND THE RESURRECTION OF THE LOST TAKE PLACE ON THE **SAME****LAST DAY** OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION**??
**WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10: To the **CHURCH** of the Thessalonians... God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen **WHEN**the Lord Jesus is **REVEALED** from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels {See Matthew 24:29-31 and Matthew 25:31} He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord **ON THE DAY HE COMES** to be glorified in His holy people {Including **CHURCH SAINTS**--See Matthew 25:31-46} and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes **YOU**** {Thessalonian **CHURCH SAINTS**}
And so 2 THESSALONIANS 1[1,6-10 absolutely proves that the **THESSALONIAN CHURCH SAINTS** and the Lost will be resurrected on the **SAME** **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation!!
By comparing John 12:48 with John 6:40 below it absolutely shows that the **LOST** and the **CHURCH SAINTS** will be resurrected on the **SAME LAST DAY**!!
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him on the **LAST DAY**!" See Matthew 25:31-46; Daniel 12:1,2 and John 5:28}
John 6:40: Jesus says, ""For My Father's will is that **EVERYONE** who looks to the Son and believes in Him {**CHURCH SAINTS**} shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the {*SAME*}**LAST DAY**!"
So God's Word definitely shows that Jesus will resurrect His saints and judge the lost on the **SAME LAST DAY** when He comes **IN GLORY WITH ALL HIS ANGELS**{Matthew 16:27; 24:29,30; 25:31} or **WHEN HE IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS POWERFUL ANGELS** as per 2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10!!
John 5:28,29: Jesus says, “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming {The **LAST DAY**} when *ALL* {Both OT & NT Saints and he LOST} who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.”
Daniel 12:1b,2,7b: “There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time {The **LAST DAY**} your people--*EVERYONE* whose name is found written in the Book {Both OT & NT Saints}—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt…It will be for a time. times and half a time {1260 days-Rev 12:6,14, or 42 {30-day} months-Rev 13:5-{Not 7 years} *ALL* these things will be **COMPLETED**.
The pre-tribbers wrongly believe that the OT saints will receive their eternal perfect heavenly bodies 7 years or 1260 days AFTER the Church saints. However, in Hebrews 11:39,40 we read “These {OT super saints mentioned in Heb 11:4-38} were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that **ONLY TOGETHER WITH US** {NT Saints} would they {OT Saints} be made perfect!”
Pre-Tribbers also claim that the **HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE REMOVED** from all the saints during the Great Tribulation because of a ridiculous interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2:7???
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Mark 13:11: Jesus says, "Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial {During the Great Tribulation}, do not worry beforehand what to say, but say whatever is given to you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the **HOLY SPIRIT**!!!"
Pre-Tribbers also claim that the saints will not go through the Great Tribulation because they would then suffer the **WRATH** of God.
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Romans 5:9: Since we have been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from **GOD'S WRATH** through Him!.
I Thessalonians 5:9: God did not appoint us to suffer **WRATH** but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ!
God's Tribulation saints will not be hurt by **GOD'S WRATH** during the Great Tribulation! The horrific 7 Trumpet Plagues and 7 Bowl Plagues and eternal torment in Hell; are reserved only for the unbelievers and will not hurt God's saints in any way just as the 10 OT Egyptian plagues miraculously did not hurt any of God's people as shown by the following Scripture:
Revelation 9:4-6: They were told to only harm those people who did not have the seal of God on their heads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for 5 months. During these days men will seek death, but will not find it they will long to die but death will elude them.
Revelation 9:18,20,21: A third of mankind will be killed by the plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that comes out of their mouths.... The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands, they did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold... Nor did the repent of their murders, their magic arts,their sexual immorality or their thefts!
Revelation 16:2: The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image!
Revelation 16:6: They have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink as they deserve!
Revelation 16:9: They were seared by the intense heat and cursed the name of God who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify Him!
Revelation 16:10: Men gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.
Revelation 14:9,10: If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of **HIS WRATH** He will be tormented with burning sulfur...and the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever!
Pre-Tribbers also claim that all of the Church saints will be raptured **BEFORE **the **MAN OF LAWLESSNESS IS REVEALED**??
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3,8: Concerning the **COMING*** of our Lord Jesus and **OUR** {CHURCH SAINTS} being gathered to Him, we ask you brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter, supposed to have come from us, saying that that the **DAY OF THE LORD** has already come. Don't let anyone {Like Pre-Tribbers} deceive you in any way, for **THAT DAY WILL NOT COME** **UNTIL THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS IS REVEALED**!..... The lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor **OF HIS COMING**!! {On the **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation**} It is interesting to note that the only **COMING** of the Lord Jesus when the **CHURCH SAINTS** are gathered to Him; mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 and 2:8; is on the **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation!!
Now the Pre-Tribbers claim that in the **SECRET RAPTURE** before the Great Tribulation the Lord Jesus will not **APPEAR** and will not be **REVEALED**??
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WOD SAY**??
I Peter 1:13: “Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is **REVEALED**.
I Corinthians 1:7: “**YOU** do not lack any spiritual gift as **YOU** {CHURCH SAINTS**} eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be **REVEALED**.
Now the pre-tribbers claim that the glorious **REVEALING** or *REVELATION* of Jesus will be *CONCEALED* BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation. However, every other time the Word **REVEALED** {Greek-Apocalypsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious **REVEALING** of Jesus on the **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And *CONCEALED* is the exact opposite of **REVEALED** and **APPEARED** according to every dictionary! The Word of God clearly shows that the **CHURCH SAINTS** are waiting The **APPEARING** and **REVEALING ** of our Lord Jesus Christ which completely contradicts the Pre-Trib theory that the **CHURCH SAINTS ** are all waiting for a **CONCEALED RAPTURE**???
Titus 2:13 **WE** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**---the glorious **APPEARING** of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ!!
Hebrews 9:28: Jesus will **APPEAR** a 2nd time {And not a 3rd TIME!} to bring salvation **TO THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM**!!
Colossians 3:4: When Christ, who is your life **APPEARS**, then **YOU** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} also will **APPEAR** with Him in glory.”
I John 3:2,3: “When Jesus **APPEARS**, **WE** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!”
Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, “IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will **APPEAR** in the sky and the nations will see the Son of Man **COMING** on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!”
I John 2:28: “Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He *APPEARS* **WE** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!” {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4}
2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY—and not only to me, but to *ALL* {**CHURCH SAINTS**} who have longed for His **APPEARING**!!” {See Matt 24:30 above!!}
I Peter 5:4: “When the Chief Shepherd **APPEARS**, **YOU** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!”
2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is **REVEALED** {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord **ON THE DAY HE COMES** to be glorified in His holy people {**CHURCH SAINTS**}!! This includes **YOU** {Thessalonian **CHURCH SAINTS**}
Now the Pre-Tribbers claim that all the resurrection versus on the second coming of Jesus will occur on the **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation **EXCEPT for I Thessalonians 4;16-18 and I Corinthians 15:51,52 which tells of a secret silent rapture just before the Great Tribulation when 666 is revealed???
**BUT WHAT DO THESE VERSES REALLY TEACH**??
I Corinthians 15:51,52: Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we **ALL** will be changed--in the twinkling of an eye, at the **LAST TRUMPET**. For the **TRUMPET** will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable and **WE** will be changed!
Revelation 8:1,2: When He {Jesus} opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw **7 ANGELS** who stand before God and to them were given **7 TRUMPETS**!
Revelation 11:15,18: The seventh {And **LAST**} angel sounded his {**7TH & LAST**} **TRUMPET**, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and His Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever... The time has come for judging the dead, and rewarding your servants and your saints who reverence your name and for destroying those who destroy the earth!"
And so the **7TH ANGEL** will sound the **7TH** and **LAST TRUMPET** of Revelation on the **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation! Which can certainly not be **BEFORE** the Great Tribulation even begins!!
**JESUS WILL COME AS A **THIEF IN THE NIGHT** TO UNBELIEVERS ON THE **DAY OF THE LORD**
I Thessalonians 4:16,17; 5:2,4: For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel {See Rev 14:15} and with the **TRUMPET**{See Matt 24:30 & Rev 11:15,18 & I Cor 15:52} call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the **CLOUDS** {See Matt 24:30 and Rev 14:14} to meet the Lord in the air.... **YOU** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} know very well that the **DAY OF THE LORD** {In I Thess 4:17 above} will come **LIKE A THIEF** in the night {To unbelievers} While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them {Unbelievers} suddenly {On the **SAME DAY** as the Resurrection in I Corinthians 4:17 above!!}... But **YOU** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} brothers, are not in darkness so that **THIS DAY** **SHOULD NOT SURPRISE YOU LIKE A THIEF**. Since you are **ALL** sons of the light and sons of the Day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness!
Revelation 16:15: Behold! I come **LIKE A THIEF**!
Revelation 3:3: Jesus says, "Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come **LIKE A THIEF**, and you will not know at what time I will **COME TO YOU**!"
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the **DAY OF THE LORD** will come **LIKE A THIEF** {To unbelievers}. The heavens will **DISAPPEAR** with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare!... That **DAY**{OF THE LORD}will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** are looking forward to a **NEW HEAVEN** and a **NEW EARTH**, the **HOME OF RIGHTEOUSNESS**!!
Once the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins all of God's saints who can add will know the exact day of the Second Coming of Jesus on the **LAST DAY OF THE LORD**. And when the stars start falling to earth the saints will know the exact hour of the Second Coming of Jesus!!
Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the stars will fall from the sky {Luke 21:28 adds: "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!!"} At that time the sign of the Son of Man coming on the **CLOUDS** {See I Thess 4:17} of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud **TRUMPET** {See I Cor 15:52 & I Thess 4::16 & Rev 11:15,18} call an they will gather His **ELECT** {See Rom 11:5-7; 2 Tim 2:10 & Titus 1:1!}} from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds: "From the ends of the earth."}
Now the Pre-Tribbers claim that the **ELECT OF JESUS** mentioned in Matthew 24:22,24 and 31 are all OT Jewish saints and not **CHURCH SAINTS**.
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Romans 11:5-7: At the present time there is a remnant **CHOSEN** by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works, if it were, grace would no longer be grace! What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the **ELECT** did!
2 Timothy 2:10: Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the **ELECT** {**CHURCH SAINTS**}, that they too may obtain the **SALVATION THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS**!
Titus 1:1: Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's **ELECT** {**CHURCH SAINTS**}!
In fact, Israel or the Jews are never called the **ELECT** in the entire New Testament!!!
Ephesians 3:6: This mystery is that through the Gospel the Gentiles are **HEIRS TOGETHER** with Israel. Members together of **ONE BODY**, and **SHARERS TOGETHER**in the promise in Christ Jesus!!
John 6:39,44: Jesus says, "And this is the will of Him who sent Me that I shall lose none of all that He has given Me {God's **ELECT**}, but raise them up at the **LAST DAY**... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father **DRAWS** him, and I will raise him {**GOD'S ELECT**} up at the **LAST DAY**!"
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words, that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the {**SAME**}**LAST DAY**!"
It is interesting to note that a pre-trib rapture fairy tale of God's saints is not mentioned even **ONCE** in the Olivet Prophetic sermon of Jesus in Matthew 24,25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 and not even **ONCE** in all the prophecies in the book of Revelation. Now the Pre-Tribbers agree that it is completely ridiculous not to have any mention of the resurrection of the **CHURCH SAINTS** in the prophetic book of Revelation.. And so the pre tribbers claim that Revelation 4:1-2 symbolically, somehow shows the rapture of the **CHURCH SAINTS** since John's entrance into heaven {In AD 96}before he is told about the Great Tribulation somehow shows the rapture of all of the church saints just before the Great Tribulation begins about 2,000 years later???
Revelation 4:1-2: In AD 96 John said, "After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, 'Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.'" Now the pre-tribbers claim that John going up to heaven in AD 96, to see what will happen in the future; somehow represents all the living and dead **CHURCH SAINTS** being raptured just before the Great Tribulation which is ridiculous!!
The Last Day resurrections in Revelation 11:15-18 and Revelation 14:14-20 are obviously Post-Trib. And just after Resurrection there is the Marriage Feast of the Lamb. Jesus on the **LAST DAY OF THE LORD** will mount a white horse and his saints will follow Him on white horses and they will conquer 666, his False Prophet, their kings and armies on the same Last Day as per Revelation 19:7-21 and Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be His **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
Now the Pre-Tribbers teach that the Church saints must have been raptured before The Great Tribulation began since the word **CHURCH ** is not mentioned in Revelation chapters 4-21 and therefore the Great Tribulation will not be **FOR THE CHURCHES OR CHURCH SAINTS**???
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Revelation 22:16,18-20: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony {**ALL OF REVELATION**}**FOR THE CHURCHES**.{**CHURCH SAINTS**}.. I warn everyone who hears the word of the prophecy of this book. If anyone **ADDS** {Like the Pre-Trib Rapture} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy. God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!!"
Revelation 1:1-3: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show **HIS SERVANTS** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} what must take place. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw--that is, the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the Words of this Prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and **TAKE TO HEART** what is written in it!!
The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed, with a single exception: Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a "pre-tribulation" rapture. However Edwards ideas, which he admitted were brand new and never before taught, had no influence in the modern population of the false doctrine. That prize goes to Darby.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Pastor of the Metropolitan Tabernacle and contemporary of Darby, published criticism of Darby and Brethrenism. His main criticism was that Darby and the Plymouth Brethren rejected the vicarious purpose of Christ's obedience as well as imputed righteousness. He viewed these of such importance and so central to the Gospel that it led him to this statement about the rest of their belief.
"Mr. Grant on the Darby Brethren" by Charles Spurgeon from the June 1860 "Sword and the Trowel":
James Grant wrote: "Mr. Darby maintains that a part of Christ's sufferings on the cross, were what he calls 'non-atoning,' that is, that in 'smiting' him as the shepherd on the cross, God did not do so with a view to an atonement for our sins, until a particular point of time, while Christ was hanging on the tree, and that then the wrath of God, in its atoning character, coalesced with his legal wrath. In association with the doctrine that much of the sufferings of Christ on the cross were without any atoning object or effect, Mr. Darby, advancing a step farther, denies that the atonement for our sins consisted even in Christ's death. But as it is probable some persons will find it difficult to believe that any man, professing to hold evangelical principles, and especially the leader of an important religious sect, also professing to be sound in the faith, could entertain such notions."
James Grant wrote: "With the deadly heresies entertained and taught by the Plymouth Brethren, in relation to some of the most momentous of all the doctrines of the Gospel, and to which I have adverted at some length, I feel assured that my readers will not be surprised at any other views, however unscriptural and pernicious they may be, which the Darbyites have embraced and zealously seek to propagate"
Prior to 1830, **NOT EVEN ONE CHURCH** taught the pre-trib rapture in their creed, catechism or statement of faith!!!
NOTE: There will be 2 Comings of Jesus on the **SAME LAST DAY**. The first Coming will be **FOR HIS SAINTS** and the 2nd Coming **WITH HIS SAINTS** **RIDING ON WHITE HORSES** right after the Marriage Feast of the **LAMB**!!
Revelation 19:6-8,11,13,14,19,20: Hallelujah! For the Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him glory! For the wedding of the **LAMB** has come and His bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean was given her to wear.... I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose Rider is called Faithful and True...He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood and His name is the Word of God. **THE ARMIES OF HEAVEN WERE FOLLOWING HIM ***RIDING ON WHITE HORSES*** and dressed in fine linen white and clean (See Rev 19:8 above}... Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth **AND THEIR ARMIES** gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and His army. But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. {See Rev 13:11-17} The two of them were thrown **ALIVE** into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. Rev 20:10: And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.{Just like all their followers as per Rev 14:9-11}
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and with Him will be His **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** {**HIS ELECT**} and **FAITHFUL** followers!! {**RIDING ON FLYING WHITE HORSES** which will be the saints transportation in the **NEW EARTH*.
Jude 14,15: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of His holy ones {**HIS ELECT** Riding White Horses} to judge everyone, and to convict **ALL** the ungodly!!"
I Corinthians 15:22-24: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ **ALL** will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the Firstfruits; **THEN WHEN HE COMES** those who belong to Him. **THEN THE **END** WILL COME** {Not 1260 days later!!}, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father!!
And so the saints will be resurrected on the **LAST DAY** and then **AFTER** the Marriage Feast of the **LAMB**, the lost will be resurrected later on the **SAME LAST DAY**. And so this explains Matthew 24:40: Jesus says, "Two will be in the field, one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill one will be taken and the other left!"
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus says, "**WHEN** the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him. He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed by My Father, take your inheritance the Kingdom prepared for you.'... Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal for prepared for the devil and his angels.' ... Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Now the Pre-Tribbers love to quote a promise made to the Church at Philadelphia in AD 96:
Revelation 3:1,10: Jesus said, "To the angel of the church at Philadelphia write... Since you have kept My command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going that is going to come on the whole {Roman} world to test those who live on the earth."
In Ad 96 the Roman Caesar, Domitian, decreed that everyone in the Roman world must worship idols of former Roman Caesars or else they would be killed or put in prison. And because of this decree John was put in prison in AD 96 on the Isle of Patmos as per Revelation 1:9.
However, Jesus did not make the same promise to the future Great Tribulation saints:
Matthew 24:9: Jesus says, "**THEN****YOU** will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and **YOU** will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** because of Me!"
Revelation 13:5-10: The Beast will be given authority for 42 {30-day} months...He will be given power to make war against the **SAINTS** and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people language and **NATION** All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the **LAMB**{**CHURCH SAINTS**}. He who has an ear let him hear: If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the **SAINTS**!
Revelation 12:11: They overcame him by the blood of the **LAMB** and by the word of their testimony: They did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!! {Just Like Jesus!}! Read Revelation 6:9-11 and Revelation 7:9,13-15!!!
Revelation 6:9-11: When He {Jesus} opened the 5th seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain {MARTYRS LIKE JESUS} because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood? Then each of them were given a WHITE ROBE, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed {**TRIBULATION MARTYRS**} as they had been was **COMPLETED**.
This was **COMPLETED** just before the 7 trumpet plagues in Revelation 8:
Revelation 7:9,13-15,17: After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from **EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE AND LANGUAGE** standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb {Jesus} They were wearing WHITE ROBES. And they cried out in a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne , and to the Lamb...Then one of the {24} **ELDERS** asked me, "Those in WHITE ROBES--who are they, and where did they come from?" And he said, "These are they who have come out of the *GREAT TRIBULATION* {*MARTYRS LIKE JESUS*}, they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the **LAMB** {**CHURCH SAINTS**}. Therefore, They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple...The **LAMB** in the center of the throne will be their Shepherd!"
And so the Pre-Trib teaching that the Great Tribulation is only a **TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE** is a complete fairy tale since there will be a "**GREAT MULTITUDE THAT NO ONE COULD COUNT FROM **EVERY** NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE AND LANGUAGE**" who will be **MARTYRED** during the Great Tribulation!! They will be all filled with the **HOLY SPIRIT** {Mark 13:11} and washed in the blood of the **LAMB** {Rev 7::15 & 12:11} and whose names are written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life as per Revelation 13:8!!
The Great Tribulation **MARTYRS** who are **AWAKE** in heaven are mentioned over 20 times during the 1260-day Great Tribulation in Revelation 6:9-11; 7:9,10,13-17; 12:11; 13:10; 14:13; 15:2-4; 16:7; 16:24 and 19:2!!
Revelation 4:4 Surrounding God's throne were **24 OTHER THRONES**, on seated on them were **24 ELDERS**. They were dressed in *WHITE* and had crowns of Gold on their heads!
Th 24 Elders on 24 Thrones surrounding God's throne are mentioned 10 times during the 1260-day Great Tribulation in Revelation 4:4,10; 5:6,8.11,14; 7:11,13; 14:3 and 19:4
**WHO ARE THE 24 ELDERS ON 24 THRONES SURROUNDING GOD'S THRONE IN HEAVEN DURING THE 1260-DAY GREAT TRIBULATION**??
Matthew 19:28: Jesus said to his Apostles, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you have **FOLLOWED ME** {The Apostle Paul instead of Judas] will **ALSO SIT ON 12 THRONES, **JUDGING**!!
Luke 22:29,30: Jesus said to His Apostles, "I confer on you a Kingdom, just as My Father conferred one on Me, so that you may eat and drink at My table in My Kingdom and sit on **THRONES**, **JUDGING**!!"
**WHO DESERVES TO SIT ON THE OTHER 12 THRONES SURROUNDING GOD'S THRONE**??
And certainly 12 OT Super saints of God will also deserve sitting on the other **12 **THRONES** surrounding God's throne such as Abraham, David, Moses, Elijah, Daniel, Isaiah, Samuel, Jeremiah, Joseph , Joshua, Noah and Enoch!!
The 24 **ELDERS** on 24 thrones and the **MARTYRS** are the ***ONLY SAINTS*** mentioned in heaven during the Great Tribulation in Revelation chapters 4 through 18!!
I Corinthians 15:51,52: Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all *SLEEP*{Since the Martyrs and 24 Elders on Thrones are **AWAKE**} but we will all be changed--in a flash, in a twinkling of an eye, at the Last {7TH} Trumpet!!
It is interesting to note that the millions of **CHURCH SAINTS** of the last almost 2,000 years; who the pre-tribbers claim were raptured into heaven with new heavenly bodies just before the Great Tribulation; and would be before God's throne with Jesus. They are not even mentioned **ONCE** during the Great Tribulation in heaven in chapters 4 thru 18. The only saints mentioned in Revelation during the Great Tribulation are the **MARTYRS** {20 times} and the **24 ELDERS** {10 times} who sit on 24 Thrones surrounding God's Throne in heaven!! Hmmm!!
However, most of the Pre-Trib super theologians {???} claim that the 24 Elders who sit on 24 Thrones surrounding God's throne as per Rev 4:4; are really millions of raptured **CHURCH SAINTS**?????
Probably the best way to convert a pre-tribber is to have them read 2 Thessalonians 1,6-10 every day for 7 days; since God's Word shows that the **CHURCH SAINTS** will be resurrected and judged **ON THE SAME DAY** as the lost!!
2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10: ‘To the **CHURCH** of the Thessalonians… God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is **REVEALED** {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord **ON THE DAY HE COMES** to be glorified in His holy people {**CHURCH SAINTS**}!! This includes **YOU** {Thessalonian *CHURCH SAINTS*}
As we have shown with countless Scripture all of the Great Tribulation saints will be saved by the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB**{Rev 7:14; 12:11}, are in the **LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE**{Rev 13:8}; are filled with the **HOLY SPIRIT**{Mark 13:11} and whenever 2 or more of these extremely brave and courageous Tribulation saints get together to worship you have a ***CHURCH***!!
God has always allowed His people to **SUFFER TRIBULATION** and trials because they purify and perfect their faith and will gain countless eternal rewards when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED. There are over 10,000 saints martyred every year and the main culprit is no longer just Islam and the RC Church which killed over 4 million saints. Millions of saints were martyred by the Communist atheist countries after 1917 in Russia and after 1948 in China and then in North Korea and Vietnam. Many more millions were killed by Japan 1937-1945 and by the Fascists in Italy and Germany 1922-1945.
**THE FOLLOWING VERSES CAN NOT BE FOUND IN THE PRE-TRIB BIBLE WHICH IS REALLY A SNEAKY PART OF THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL**!!
Romans 8:35-37: “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For your sake **WE FACE DEATH ALL DAY LONG**; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us!”
John 13:34: Jesus says, "A **NEW COMMAND** I give you: **LOVE* one another As I have **LOVED** you, so you must **LOVE** one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples." John 15:12,13: Jesus says, "My command is this: **LOVE** each other as I have **LOVED** you. Greater **LOVE** has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
I John 3:16: This how we know what **LOVE** is: Jesus Christ laid down His life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers!
I Peter 2:20b,21: But if you **SUFFER FOR DOING GOOD** and endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow **IN HIS STEPS**!
I Peter 4:12,13: “Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But **REJOICE THAT YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST**, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is *REVEALED!”
Matthew 5:10-12 Jesus says, “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. **REJOICE** and be glad, because **GREAT IS YOUR REWARD** **IN HEAVEN**!!"
2 Timothy 3:12: “In fact, **EVERYONE** who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be **PERSECUTED**!”
Romans 5:3: “But we **REJOICE IN OUR SUFFERINGS** because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope!
Philippians 1:29: For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on Him, but also to **SUFFER FOR HIM**!
Philippians 3:10: “I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of **SHARING IN HIS SUFFERINGS**!
Revelation 12:11: “They overcame him {666} by the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} and by the word of their testimony; for they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!”
Rev 2:10: Jesus says, “Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the **CROWN OF LIFE**.”
Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples {**CHURCH SAINTS**} asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the Great Tribulation} “Then **YOU** will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and **YOU** will be hated by all nations because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST* will grow cold, {THE GREAT APOSTASY} but he {The Called, Chosen & Faithful-Rev 17:14b} who stands firm to the End will be saved.”
This *GREAT APOSTASY** at the beginning of the Great Tribulation is called a **REBELLION** in 2 Thess 2:3!
Revelation 13:5,7-10: The Beast will be given authority for 42 months.. He will be given power to make war against the **SAINTS** and to conquer them... All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the **LAMB**. {**CHURCH SAINTS**} He who has an ear let him hear: If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the **SAINTS**!
Revelation 14:12,13: This calls for patient endurance on the part of the **SAINTS** who obey God's {NT} commandments and remain faithful to Jesus! {**CHURCH SAINTS**} Then I heard a Voice from heaven say, "**BLESSED** are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!" *Yes," says the Spirit, "They will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them!"
This will come as a tremendous shock for those who teach the Prosperity Gospel and who are mainly seeking earthly treasures rather than eternal Heavenly Rewards. They teach: If you accept Jesus as your Savior you have a free pass to Heaven and God forbid that you should suffer any persecution or go through the Great Tribulation; which fits in with the Prosperity Gospel doctrines which are designed to increase church membership at the expense of the Truth. When is the last time you heard a sermon on the virtues and courage of the many thousands of present-day martyrs?? And this is probably why there will be a great FALLING AWAY {THE GREAT APOSTASY} at the beginning of the Great Tribulation as per Matthew 24:10-12!!
Romans 8:35,37-39: Who shall separate us from the **LOVE** of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?...We are more than conquerors through Him who **LOVED** us! For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the **LOVE** of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!!
Isaiah 46:9-11: "I am God, and there is no other. I am God, and there is none like Me! I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come... What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned that will I do!!"
And so this Bible study has shown that there is not even one verse that even implies a Pre-Trib Rapture and over 77 Scripture that absolutely guarantees a Post-Trib Resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the **LAST DAY** or **DAY OF THE LORD** for all saints who are not martyrs or one of the 24 Elders on thrones.
The problem with Richard 7744 is he posts Galatians 3:25 like he knows what he is talking about. Paul was a highly educated Jew. And Richard an arrogant Gentile is going to tell you what Paul means when he says; "We are no longer under the supervision of the law"? 🙄
For a little context;
"23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."
Which Law?
Soooo.....Richard 7744, if you are so smart; answer me if Abraham was under the supervision of the law?
**WE ARE BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING WORD OF GOD** 1 Peter 1:23
Deuteronomy 18:17-19: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among your fellow Israelites, and I will put My words in His mouth. He will tell them **EVERYTHING** I command Him. I Myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My name!!"
John 14:21-24: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me... Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching, My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make Our home with them.. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me!" {See Deut 18:17-19 above}
Acts 5:32: We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given **TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM**!"
Luke 6:46-49: Jesus says, "As for everyone who comes to Me and hears **MY WORDS** and **PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE**. I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid foundation on rock. When the flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears **MY WORDS** and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete!"
I Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.
Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"
I John 2:3-5: We know we have come to know Him {Jesus} if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar and the truth is not in him. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**, God's love is truly made complete in him!
Matthew 4:4: Jesus says, "Man does not live on bread alone, but on **EVERY WORD FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD**!"
Luke 8:15: Jesus says, "But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the **WORD**, retain it, and by perseverance produce a crop."
John 17:17: Jesus prays to His Father, "Sanctify them by the Truth, **YOUR WORD IS TRUTH**!"
Acts 20:32: Paul says, "Now I commit you to God and to the **WORD OF HIS GRACE**, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified!"
Romans 10:17: Consequently, **FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE**, and the message is heard **THROUGH THE WORD OF CHRIST**!
James 1:18; He chose to give us **BIRTH THROUGH THE WORD** of Truth!!
I Corinthians 15:2: By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the **WORD** preached to you. Otherwise you have believed in vain!
2 Corinthians 4:2: We do not use deception, nor do we distort the **WORD OF GOD**!
Ephesians 1:13: You also were included in Christ **WHEN** you heard the **WORD** of Truth, the gospel of your salvation.
Ephesians 2:17: Take the sword of the Spirit, which is the **WORD OF GOD**!
Colossians 1:25: I have become its servant by the commission God gave to me to present to you the **WORD OF GOD IN ALL ITS FULLNESS**!
Colossians 3:16: Let the **WORD OF CHRIST** dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom!
I Thessalonians 2:13: We thank God continually because, when you received the **WORD OF GOD**, which you heard from us, you received it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the **WORD OF GOD**!
Acts 17:11,12: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and **EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY**... As a result many of them believed!!
Psalm 118:147,148: I rise before dawn and cry for help; I have put my hope in **YOUR WORD**! My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I might meditate on **YOUR PROMISES**!!
2 Timothy 2:15: Do your best to present yourselves to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who **CORRECTLY HANDLES THE WORD ** of truth!
2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT AND NEW TESTAMENT**!!}
**DOES GOD"S WORD SAY THAT **ADDING** OR **TAKING WORD'S AWAY** FROM GOD's WORD IS AN UMPARDONABLE SIN**??
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the **WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK**: If anyone **ADDS** {Like the RC popes} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** {Like the RC popes} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."
John 16: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is from Me that he will receive what he will make known to you!"
And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write everything Jesus told him to write!!
THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on ***EARTH*** has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** {The entire NT} I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!”
