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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 09:27 AM

Hello everyone,

Which would you say is how you read to study the Word of GOD Almighty,

exegesis, which is to draw or take out from Biblical texts what GOD Almighty is saying ;or do you eisegesis, which is to read into the scripture what you want the Word to say.

A good way to tell is do you start with a subject then find as many verses with that word, using no context as a guide.

Do you copy and post walls of scripture not pertaining to the subject, then you are practicing eisegesis.

OR , do you take a section of scripture find the context, use a Bible dictionary or concordance for word definitions and tenses, comparing scripture with scripture; Then you are practicing exegesis

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 10:28 AM

The best exegesis of God's Word is when you post all the best Scripture on a specific Bible topic which takes many long hours to complete.



John 14:23,24: Jesus says, Anyone who loves Me **WILL OBEY MY TEACHING**. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make Our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching!"



John 16:12-14 Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is from Me that he will receive what he will make known to you!"



And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write everything Jesus commanded him to write!!



The New Covenant of Jesus **ELIMINATED** about 550 of the 613 OT laws and **ADDED** about 400 New Testament laws which God's chosen saints love to follow with the hope of countless eternal heavenly rewards for faithful and loving service and not to earn their salvation which was completely paid for by the blood atonement of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ!!



Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**. And surely I am with you always!!"



I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!



Galatians 6:2: Fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"



*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!! Galatians 3:25!



Galatians 2:14-16: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"



Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the {OT} law, Christ died for nothing!"



Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly **NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD BY THE {OT} LAW*, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {OT} LAW!!"



Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a **BETTER HOPE** is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!



Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one **OBSOLETE**; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."



Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is **SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE**, and it is founded on better promises.



Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!



Ephesians 1:13: You also were included in Christ **WHEN** you heard the **WORD** of Truth, the gospel of your salvation.



Ephesians 2:17: Take the sword of the Spirit, which is the **WORD OF GOD**!



Colossians 1:25: I have become its servant by the commission God gave to me to present to you the **WORD OF GOD IN ALL ITS FULLNESS**!



Colossians 3:16: Let the **WORD OF CHRIST** dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom!



2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT AND NEW TESTAMENT**!!} Be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like Zecharyah, GNWS & KJVonly} will not put up with sound doctrine!

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 11:22 AM

Oh parrot..now I am included in your list too?

You are SO stubborn.

I have shown you in scripture many true verses. You're going on the top of my prayer list.

I have a list of 15 verses that prove that Mt. 24 and 1st Thess. are the SAME. No exegetical and scriptural distinction can be made between Matthew 24 and 1 Thess 4.

Mt. 23-25

Coming on clouds v.24:31

Gathering of the elect v 24:31

Great Tribulation 24:21

Resurrection 24:21

THIS generation 24:34

Trumpet of God 24:31

Angels 24:31

KINGDOM 24:30

Day unknown v 36

Meet bridegroom Mt. 24:6

Comes as a THIEF 25:43-44

Vengeance 23:34 24:30

Wrath on enemies Lk 21:24

Salvation Lk 21:28

Received ETERNAL LIFE ON EARTH 25:31



1 Thessalonians 4

Coming in the clouds vs 17

Gathering the elect 2:1

Great Tribulation 5:3

Resurrection v16

We who are ALIVE and remain 15&17

Sound of the trumpet -Archangel v16

Air/ Kingdom(aera)

Day unknown 5: 1-3

Meet bridegroom 4:17

Comes as a thief 5:2

Vegeance 5:3

Wrath on enemies 5:9

Salvation 5:9

Received ETERNAL LIFE ON EARTH 5:10

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 11:27 AM

Forgot to add...that sounds EXACTLY like Revelation..

I challenge you to search the scriptures .

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 11:51 AM

**THE PRETERISTS LIKE KJVONLY BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE FOLLOWING EVENTS TOOK PLACE IN AD 70**?



Matthew 24:1-3: Jesus left the Temple and was walking away when Hid disciples came up to to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" Jesus asked, "Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down!" As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us, they said, "{Question #1} When will this happen, and {Question #2} what will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"



The **PRETERISTS** believe this was only 1 Question??



The Mount of Olives Prophecies and answers to these 2 questions by Jesus are in Matthew 24 and 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21. However the answer to Question {#1} as to when the Temple will be completely destroyed in AD 70 is only answered in Luke 21:20-24 below when Jesus warns His saints to flee to the mountains!:



Luke 21:20-24: Jesus prophesied, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its destruction is near {In AD 70}. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the countrynot enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}... Ther will be great distress in the land against this people. They {The Jews} will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was **FULFILLED** when the Jews took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, AD 1948 and completed when the Jews took over West Jerusalem form the Jordanian Gentiles on June 7th AD 1967 almost 1900 years later!



All of the other prophecies by Jesus in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refer to Question #2 "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? will be completed by the 42-month {See Rev 13:4-10 below} Great Tribulation just before the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day when all of his saints will be resurrected and receive their new heavenly bodies immediately followed by the resurrection of the Lost and Judgement Day in Matthew 25:31-46



**SUCH AS** Matthew 24:9-13 which prophesies the great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation of many in the church when they will be hated by **ALL** the nations of the world followed by the prophecy by Jesus in Matthew 24:14 that the Goispel must be preacxhed to **ALL** the nations of the world before the End will come. By AD 70 the Gospel had only been preached to those nations in the Roman Empire!



The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe that all of the following events took place in AD 70 ????



In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”



Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints!



Matthew 24:14: Jesus prophesied, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the **WHOLE WORLD** as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN the **END will come!"



Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}



Any honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must all take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all these events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!!



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inhreritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



Ay honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must akll take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all,the above events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 01:03 PM

Prophetic.

I have answered all of your questions pertaining to the end times prophecies.

You refuse to listen . That is ok. But don't call me a satanist for pointing out scripture that shows that it already occured.

Keep your lutheran doctrine of sola fide. It is ok!

It doesn't affect what I believe. I was merely pointing out that I believed the Pope was the antichrist once also!

So sit back in terror for the GREAT TRIB that is coming. As for me, I am not. I may have to deal with persecution from the Pope as he is head of the now accepted Universal "Church" since there are seasons of that throughout history..especially the middle ages concerning power struggles..I don't see a power struggle now but there are saints that are in opposition to it.. The ones who hold to the Word of God as their standard.

Why does end time eschatology cause you such grief ? See, the devil hates being exposed that his power on this earth is gone concerning death. He likes it when he has you believing that he is all powerful still to this very day! You stroke his ego too much Parrot. He has been defeated.

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 01:25 PM

KJVonly: You have not answered any of the questions raised in this post!!



Matthew 24:1-3: Jesus left the Temple and was walking away when Hid disciples came up to to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" Jesus asked, "Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down!" As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us, they said, "{Question #1} When will this happen, and {Question #2} what will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"



The **PRETERISTS** believe this was only 1 Question??



The Mount of Olives Prophecies and answers to these 2 questions by Jesus are in Matthew 24 and 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21. However the answer to Question {#1} as to when the Temple will be completely destroyed in AD 70 is only answered in Luke 21:20-24 below when Jesus warns His saints to flee to the mountains!:



Luke 21:20-24: Jesus prophesied, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its destruction is near {In AD 70}. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the countrynot enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}... Ther will be great distress in the land against this people. They {The Jews} will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was **FULFILLED** when the Jews took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, AD 1948 and completed when the Jews took over West Jerusalem form the Jordanian Gentiles on June 7th AD 1967 almost 1900 years later!



All of the other prophecies by Jesus in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refer to Question #2 "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? will be completed by the 42-month {See Rev 13:4-10 below} Great Tribulation just before the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day when all of his saints will be resurrected and receive their new heavenly bodies immediately followed by the resurrection of the Lost and Judgement Day in Matthew 25:31-46



**SUCH AS** Matthew 24:9-13 which prophesies the great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation of many in the church when they will be hated by **ALL** the nations of the world followed by the prophecy by Jesus in Matthew 24:14 that the Goispel must be preacxhed to **ALL** the nations of the world before the End will come. By AD 70 the Gospel had only been preached to those nations in the Roman Empire!



The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe that all of the following events took place in AD 70 ????



In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”



Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints!



Matthew 24:14: Jesus prophesied, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the **WHOLE WORLD** as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN the **END will come!"



Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}



Any honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must all take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all these events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!!







Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inhreritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"







Ay honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must akll take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all,the above events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous.

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 02:48 PM

I will humour you..again..

Your quote parrot.

What will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"

End quote

Kind of a Catch -22 as a "satanic" woman is not supposed to "teach"...but ok, down the rabbit hole we go , once again!!!

I have answered your questions in other threads over a period of time as the subject came up.

Let me ask you this..how many END of the AGES are there?

There was just the old covenant/Age of Moses..And the New covenant/Christian Age that has no end. There were two houses..the house of Judah and the House of Israel..Who did God divorce? Which house?

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.

How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.

8 They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour's wife.



Jesus says....now pay attention!

Matthew 15:24 King James Version (KJV)

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Isaiah 45:17

“But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.”

Ephesians 3:21

“Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.”

Watch this: Peter is addressing the ELECT:

1 Peter 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, TO the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, ( speaking to the diaspora scattered abroad . See James 1:1 for a parallel letter to the 12 TRIBES)

2 ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto YOU, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten US again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for YOU.

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION ready to be revealed in the LAST TIME.

9 Receiving the end of YOUR faith, even the SALVATION of YOUR souls.

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto YOU:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it WAS revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto US they did minister the things, which are NOW reported unto YOU by them that have preached the GOSPEL unto YOU with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

13 Wherefore gird up the loins of YOUR mind, be sober, and hope to the END for the grace that is to be brought unto YOU at the REVELATION of Jesus Christ;

What was Revelation about Parrot? US..? or them?

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 06:26 PM

Kjv and #7744, This thread is not about your pathetic, whiny, complaints,this is about how people understand the Word of GOD.

Take your trivial matters somewhere else.

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 06:28 PM

The Preterists like KJVonly believe that every prophecy in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 an Luke 21 and every prophecy in Revelation were totally completed in AD 70??? The Preterists also believe that that all the words in the New Testament are inspired by God.



Let us quote one of the prophecies in in Matthew 25 that could not have happened in ad 70!!



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inhreritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



There are about 20 prophecies in the New Testament that absolutely could not have happened in AD 70 so apparently the Preterists are **FALSE PROPHETS OF SATAN**!!

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Posted : 13 Aug, 2019 06:48 PM

For me it is exegesis.

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