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WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?
Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 03:10 PM

There is no capitalization in the Greek therefore I took all the caps out of this KJV passage:

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"and he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the son of man is lord also of the sabbath.".................

-Mark 2:27-28

Mark is the earliest attestation of this passage. We already know all authority in heaven and earth is given to Jesus (Matthew 28:18) so no one is saying Jesus isn't Lord of the Sabbath.............................................We also know Jesus used the phrase "Son of Man" from of Daniel 7:13 to refer to himself......................

Therefore the insertion of CAPS is an acceptable addition to the translation...........................................

However in this particular case is this what the author of Mark had in mind? ............................................................

I don't think so because of the "Therefore". In other words this could read like this; 'the Sabbath was made for man (humans); Therefore the son of man (a human) is the master of it.'

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WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?
Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 04:35 PM

The day was supposed to be a blessing as were all of the 10 commandments and not a day for hunger...

The sabbath was made to serve mankind to be a benefit and a sign..

Jesus didn't want to day to be a burden as the Pharisses had made it legalistic.

The fourth Commandment states that the Seventh Day is “the Sabbath of the Lord thy God” thus validating His claim to be Lord of the Sabbath Day and hence the Sabbath is also the Lord's Day,.

Hence Jesus decides how the Commandment should be obeyed and not the Pharisees since they though it unlawful to pick corn to eat when in need.

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WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?
Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:08 PM

Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!



Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!



In the New Testament **EVERY DAY** is the **LORD'S DAY** especially **TODAY**!!



Acts 2:44-46: All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to everyone who had need. **EVERY DAY** THEY CONTINUED TO MEET IN THE TEMPLE COURTS**!!



Hebrews 3:12,13: See to it brothers and sisters that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But **ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER **DAILY**, as long as it is called **TODAY** so that none of you may be hardened by sins deceitfulness!



Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be **PUT TO DEATH**!



Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH**. Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.



Not lighting a fire to keep warm was possible in Israel since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 2,000 years after this commandment was given!!



Matthew 12:1-12: Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, the said to Him, "Look your disciples are doing what is **UNLAWFUL ON THE SABBATH**. Jesus answered, "Haven't you heard of what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests... If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is **LORD OF THE SABBATH**!" Going from that place, Jesus went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to being charges against Jesus, they asked Him, "IS IT LAWFUL TO HEAL ON THE SABBATH?" Jesus said to the, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath?" Jesus said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? Therefore it is lawful to do good {*WORK*} on the Sabbath!"



John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and **** I TOO AM **WORKING**!" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.



John 9:16: The Pharisees said of Jesus, "This man is not from God , for He does **NOT KEEP THE SABBATH**!"



Acts 1:12: Then the Apostles returned to Jerusalem from the called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day's walk {About 7/10 tenths of a mile} from the city.



I was a missionary in Israel. The Orthodox Jews will throw rocks at anyone who drives their car on the Sabbath since cars burn many piston **FIRES**. The Orthodox Jews turn their lights on just before the Sabbath begins. But the utility companies burn coal **FIRES** and more coal fires are burning if you keep your lights on all during the Sabbath. The Orthodox Jews also make fake residences on street corners so they don't have to go over 7/10 tenths of a mile which is the maximum distance to travel on the Sabbath. The 7th Day Adventists are not so strict and even drive their piston burning cars on the Sabbath when they could eliminate all the piston **FIRES** by just riding a **HORSE AND BUGGY** like the Amish. :-))) Even though the Jews and 7th Day Adventists **TRY** to keep most of the Sabbath laws about 99.9 percent of the Jews and 7th Day Adventists would be **PUT TO DEATH** according to Exodus 35:2,3 above!!



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WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?
Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:32 PM

Hello,

I wonder IF, IF, IF kjv and 7744 are able to read and understand the title of the posted subject, or are they acting in anger towards the one posting this subject.



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Good question,but some live and talk with their emotions, not their understanding.

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WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?
Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:37 PM

Hey Grace,

Guess what??

No capitols..

No mocking..

Just facts ,right?

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WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?
Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:41 PM

Zecharay quotes Mark 2:27:27,28: Jesus said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the son of man is lord also of the sabbath."



Notice that Zecharyah just not capitalize the "the son of man". and then he tells you why:



Zecharyah quote:



"In other words this could read like this; 'the Sabbath was made for man (humans); Therefore the son of man (a human{???) is the master of it.'



So finally we learn that Zecharyah believes the same way as *SAD*lap and does not even believe Jesus is God. {???}



**IS JESUS OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??



John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"



Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!



Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}



Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!



John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!



John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"



**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!



Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!



Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"



Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!



Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"



Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"



**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**



Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!



Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!



Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!



Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!



Matthew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!



There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."



John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!



NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!



Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!



Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!



Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!



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WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?
Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:44 PM

7744,

You have this saved on your computer, ready to post at anytime you want to boast about something you probably did not do.

7744, you must have posted this 10 or more times the past 3 months.

When will you admit to your lying about Zech, Teddy and all of the other people that have confronted you about lying, and adding to the Word of GOD Almighty.

7744 boasting about a dilussionary dream he had one time.

I was a missionary in Israel. The Orthodox Jews will throw rocks at anyone who drives their car on the Sabbath since cars burn many piston **FIRES**. The Orthodox Jews turn their lights on just before the Sabbath begins. But the utility companies burn coal **FIRES** and more coal fires are burning if you keep your lights on all during the Sabbath. The Orthodox Jews also make fake residences on street corners so they don't have to go over 7/10 tenths of a mile which is the maximum distance to travel on the Sabbath. The 7th Day Adventists are not so strict and even drive their piston burning cars on the Sabbath when they could eliminate all the piston **FIRES** by just riding a **HORSE AND BUGGY** like the Amish. :-))) Even though the Jews and 7th Day Adventists **TRY** to keep most of the Sabbath laws about 99.9 percent of the Jews and 7th Day Adventists would be **PUT TO DEATH** according to Exodus 35:2,3 above!!

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Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:46 PM

"hence the Sabbath is also the Lord's Day,"



This is highly doubtful. John being a Jew who for a lifetime had referred to the seventh day as the Shabbat in a society where everyone called the seventh day the Shabbat would not just change the name because of a teaching of authority over the Shabbat.



Therefore the "Lord's Day" is likely the first day of the week when the Lord rose from the dead and the same day early Christian believers met to break bread.

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Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:54 PM

Zecharay quotes Mark 2:27:27,28: Jesus said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the son of man is lord also of the sabbath."



Notice that Zecharyah just not capitalize the "the son of man". and then he tells you why:



Zecharyah quote:



"In other words this could read like this; 'the Sabbath was made for man (humans); Therefore the son of man (a human{???) is the master of it.'



So finally we learn that Zecharyah believes the same way as *SAD*lap and does not even believe Jesus is God. {???}



**IS JESUS OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??



John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"



Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!



Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}



Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!



John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!



John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"



**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!



Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!



Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"



Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!



Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"



Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"



**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**



Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!



Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!



Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!



Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!



Matthew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!



There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."



John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!



NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!



Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!



Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!



Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!



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WHO is the lord of the Sabbath?
Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:55 PM

Thanks Graceworks. Yeah ole' #74 is at it again; lying and slandering. I'm not even going to respond. He has exposed what kind of person he is to anyone who reads the Original Post.



It's kinda cool how God does that!

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Posted : 5 Aug, 2019 05:56 PM

Thanks Graceworks. Yeah ole' #74 is at it again; lying and slandering. I'm not even going to respond. He has exposed what kind of person he is to anyone who reads the Original Post.



It's kinda cool how God does that!

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