Jesus preached to the captives in prison so there was a consciousness,
For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and PREACHED UNTO THE SPIRITS imprisoned [in Hades]. …For the gospel has for this purpose been PREACHED EVEN TO THOSE WHO ARE DEAD [in Hades], that though they [have suffered death] in the flesh as [all] men [have to do], they may live in the spirit according to the will of God.
It does not pose any difficulties for the preterist view at all to suggest this as the correct interpretation of both 1 Pet. 3:18-19 and 1 Pet. 4:6. And in fact, it finally solves all the difficulties that Christians have always struggled with. The Preterist view shows that the Roman Catholic interpretation of this text (as a prooftext for Purgatory and the “second chance” idea) is totally bogus. The wicked in the bad part of Hades (Tartarus) are not given a second chance. They are merely told of their soon coming doom, when at the resurrection of the rest of the righteous dead out of the good part of Hades, the wicked will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Gehinnom) for eternal conscious punishment “outside” of heaven (cf. Rev. 22:14-15).
And Jesus said unto him, “Verily I say unto you, Today you shall be with me in paradise.”
That day (“today”) was before the resurrection. And it clearly implies that the thief would consciously know and experience “paradise” with Christ on that very day (after their bodies expired). They both (Jesus and the penitent thief) went to the “good” part of Hades called “paradise” or “Abraham’s bosom,” where Abraham and Lazarus were also (cf. Luke 16:19ff).
Jesus said "he" would build his community of believers based on the confession he is Messiah. Not as 7744 says; Peter is the rock who will build the Church.
Actually 7744 posted just the opposite that Jesus is the **ROCK** and Peter just means stone in the Greek'
Prophetic7744 actual post:
I Corinthians 10:4:3,4: They {Israel in the wilderness} all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the **SPIRITUAL ROCK** that accompanied them, and that **ROCK WAS CHRIST**!!
Before quoting Matthew 16:15-18 it is interesting to note that the Greek word for **ROCK** in Matthew 16:18 and I Corinthians 4:4 above is **PETRA**. and the Greek word for **PETER** or a **STONE** is **PETROS**.
Matthew 16:15-18: Jesus said to Peter, "Who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the **CHRIST**, the Son of the Living God!" Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter {**PETROS** or **STONE*}, and on this *ROCK** {**PETRA** or CHRIST** above} I will build My church!!"
Hey 7744, just following your lead. Isn't this how you show us how to do things here?: Pay no attention to the Topic or conversation and twist other posts into points of contention then post them in every thread? How am I doing so far master?
Posted : 2 Aug, 2019 02:10 PM
Prophetic7744 actual post:
....{Israel in the wilderness} all ....drank the same spiritual drink;...the **SPIRITUAL ROCK** that ... **ROCK WAS CHRIST**!!
(((>>>So far so good, but wait for the bait and switch below! vvvv <<<)))
.... the Greek word for **ROCK**....is **PETRA**. and the Greek word for **PETER** or a **STONE** is **PETROS**.
....Jesus said to ....Peter {**PETROS** or **STONE*}, and on this *ROCK** {**PETRA** or CHRIST** above} I will build My church!!"
(((>>>There it is: 7744 slyly conflating Christ with Peter - is this dude a Pope worshipping Catholic or what? <<<)))
Jesus said "he" would build his community of believers based on the confession he is Messiah. Not as 7744 says; Peter is the rock who will build the Church.
Actually 7744 posted just the opposite that Jesus is the **ROCK** and Peter just means stone in the Greek'
Prophetic7744 actual post:
I Corinthians 10:4:3,4: They {Israel in the wilderness} all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the **SPIRITUAL ROCK** that accompanied them, and that **ROCK WAS CHRIST**!!
Before quoting Matthew 16:15-18 it is interesting to note that the Greek word for **ROCK** in Matthew 16:18 and I Corinthians 4:4 above is **PETRA**. and the Greek word for **PETER** or a **STONE** is **PETROS**.
Matthew 16:15-18: Jesus said to Peter, "Who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the **CHRIST**, the Son of the Living God!" Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter {**PETROS** or **STONE*}, and on this *ROCK** {**PETRA** or CHRIST** above} I will build My church!!"
Instead of apologizing for being a **LIAR** Zecharyah has lied again!!
Why do you say I lie? I AGREE WITH YOU! ! The Pope through apostolic succession IS the ROCK for us today and if you don't follow him you follow Satan and going to hell to burn and burn and burn for all eternity x infinity!
