Jesus was asked by his disciples in Matthew 24, the famous passage that has led to countless debates.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Something for Sadlup to ponder. In matthew 24:20 it says :
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
He said to pray that your flight not be on the sabbath ..I think it's because the city gates were closed then and he wanted people to be able to get out of the city and flee. I always ask. Who is Jesus addressing? , culture slang, the time period they lived in. Who was ruler or king...etc..Yeah, SDA's love to quote that one about the sabbath.
Back to the Temple...A simple question...
What age did the temple that Jesus spoke about represent?
Did it represent the Mosaic age where the physical Law of Torah and scrolls were kept in a physical temple? Does it represent the Christian age where Gods laws are written on our hearts ..yes he circumsized our hearts also. Romans 2:29 Yes, I am spiritualizing here.
It represents the Mosaic age of course! Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian 70 A.D. They destroyed both the city and it's temple. Josephus expounded on it in his writings.
This age that Jesus spoke about of Moses, the law and the prophets came to an end and the age to come was of messiah, the new covenant that never ends.
Here is another thing to ponder Sadlup...
You may know more about this that me but here is my conclusion...
Bear with me..
God the Father ,mentioned in the old testament had two kingdoms. The house of Israel and the House of Judah. God divorced one kingdom because they eventually committed adultery and they went into captivity to the Babylonians.
Ezekiel 37:22 “And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all; and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.”
Jesus said:
Matthew 15:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
...God divorced them and they were considered unclean. Gentiles. He loved them so much that he wanted them back but would not break his own law, so he could not remarry them. So he sent his son into the world to join the 2 sticks back together that were broken, representing the two kingdoms. A full restoration! No longer separated by God since the garden of Eden . Jesus is the bridge to the Father. Jesus made a second exodus much like the first. He made a way out of sin and death. God TABERNACLES with us!! 1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Did you catch that? ...Tabernacles.
The Tabernacle was to be a place where God’s glory would be revealed.
The plan was simple, functional, yet filled with prophetic promise.
It was a replica of heavenly and spiritual realities.
The Tabernacle was a foreshadow of Christ.
God even instructed Moses to anoint it with oil.
It is significant that the name “Christ” means “the anointed One.”
God was making a profound promise, “I will provide redemption through my anointed one.”
God did keep His promise to tabernacle with His people.
In John in 1:14 it says, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt [pitched His tent or tabernacled] among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
Jesus is Immanuel or God with us. (Matthew 1:23)
The Bronze Water Laver reminds worshipers they must be cleansed before the approach a Holy God. (Exodus 30:18-21; 1 Corinthians 10:1-2)
After the shedding of blood it was necessary that one be ceremonially cleansed, so they could serve as priests.
The Bronze water basin foreshadowed our cleansing from sin through the regeneration of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.
Water baptism represents our identity with Christ. (1 Corinthians 10:1-2)
In Titus 3:4-7 it says, “But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior.”
I also found a curious reference in John 7:37-39.
Jesus said, “He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”
Then in John 19:34-35 there is this strange observation—
“One of the soldiers pierced Christ’s side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.”
At the Bronze Altar there was blood to atone and at the Bronze basin water to regenerate and cleanse defiled sinners.
An explanation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, using the pattern and furniture of the Tabernacle. (Colossians 1:19-20)
I want to begin in the Holy of Holies.
The Triune God, in His heavenly glory, sent the Son to earth.
He set aside His eternal glory, in obedience to His Father, to take upon Himself the form of a man. (Philippians 2:6-8)
When He arose from His throne to enter the earth, he was answering the prayers of His enslaved people.
He came to earth as the light and life of man.
It pleased the Father for the fullness of deity to dwell in Him. (Colossians 1:19-22)
At the age of thirty He began His ministry with baptism.
For the joy that was set before Him Christ endured the cross. (Hebrews 12:2)
He was like a lamb led to slaughter. (Isaiah 53:7)
He willingly offered up His life as a sacrifice for our sin.
There won't be a third physical temple built. Although news sources have been saying otherwise for years! Jesus came back in 70 A.D. in judgement. You can't separate the second coming at 70 A.D with the resurrection or wedding supper of the lamb (consummation)
Jesus fulfilled everything. God kept his word.
The world won't blow up as some surmise. Things are done on earth as they are in heaven . New covenant, new earth. Not a literal destroyed one .(I thought I would address this here in case someone was already asking) There are animals in the book of revelation and nations and people after the earth was destroyed.
I could get into some language of revelation with the stars falling, blood moons, etc. to show you that it represents commotions and changes in the heavens but I think I wrote a novel!
Okay, you've some interesting stuff in there, I'll give you that. But I'm not a Preterist.
I'm assuming you wouldn't be happy if I stopped right there, so here we go -
A divorced woman cannot return to her husband if she has married another and gets divorced or her current husband dies. Since God divorced Northern Israel and they became as Gentiles (marrying another) He is bound by His own law not to take them back. However if the first husband dies she is free to remarry. And a New Covenant can be made where He can take them back under that Covenant.
Now to simply and easily prove why Preteristism is in error:
Here are the 7 Jewish appointed times:
Spring Feasts:
1) Passover (Pesach)
Unleavened Bread (Chag Hamotzi)
>Jesus Dies<
2) First Fruits (Yom habikkurim)
>Jesus Risen<
3) Pentecost (Shavu'ot) - Sivan 6-7
>Holy Spirit Given<
......No Feasts all summer......
Fall Feasts:
4) Trumpets (Yom Teru'ah)
>Jesus Returns? <
(Revelation Trumpets. Only Feast day on the first of the month so no man knows the day or the hour)
5) Atonement (Yom Kippur)
>Jews Repent? <
('They will weep over him like an only born son')
6) Tabernacles (Sukkot)
>God dwelling with man? <
(New Jerusalem comes down)
7)The Sabbath Day (i.e., Shabbat, a weekly feast)
>1000 years of peace on earth? <
(A day is as 1000 years. One Week = 2000 years chaos. 2000 years Law. 2000 years Messiah. 1000 years rest/Sabbath)
The hidden feast. Many thought Jesus meant since the feast of trumpets was also called the "hidden feast" that he was referring to coming on a future feast day of trumpets. Then silly people on TV was saying Trump + Pence meant Trumpets and that Donald Trump was a sign from heaven that the rapture was near. Then throw in Hagee's blood moons and you got people freaking out.
So..my question is ..If Jesus is a type of sabbath rest and we are still waiting on him to come , then why is he our sabbath rest now? He is ruling and reigning on earth now , through his Church, right? I think we are there now. God tabernacles among his people.
The text says ‘one day is like [or as] a thousand years’—the word ‘like’ (or ‘as’) shows that it is a figure of speech, called a simile, to teach that God is outside of time.
I am going with Strong's here...
John did not write the greek numerical "thousand" chilias years , six times he wrote the greek "thousand" chilioi years. There is a difference.
Strong's concordance.
5507 xílioi – properly, a thousand; the product of 10 x 10 x 10 (103, ten cubed); (figuratively) emphatic, total inclusiveness, showing no one (nothing) is left out. See also "the Millennium" in the HELPS prophecy-guide.
In Revelation 20, thousand was not chilias , the numerical 1000, but always chilioi which was suitable for figurative speech.
Chilioi -Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand -- thousand.
Chilias- Usage: a thousand, the number one thousand.
**SAD**lup believes that we are saved because of righteous things we have done and our repentance from sin and obeying OT laws???
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and **LOVE** of God our Savior appeared , **HE SAVED US**, **NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE**, but because of **HIS MERCY**!!
**FAITH** IS 100% FREE GIFT OF GOD**!!
Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, through ***FAITH***—and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**—not by works. So that no one can boast. For we are **GOD'S WORKMANSHIP**, created in Christ Jesus to do **GOOD WORKS**, which God prepared in advance for us to do!
Romans 3:21-25: But now a righteousness from God, **APART FROM THE LAW**, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes **THROUGH FAITH** in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by **HIS GRACE** through the **REDEMPTION** that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Him as a **SACRIFICE OF ATONEMENT**, **THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD**!! ( And our **FAITH** is a **FREE GIFT FROM GOD**!!}
Romans 12:3: For by the **GRACE GIVEN ME** I say to every one of you. Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourselves with sober judgment, in accordance with the ***FAITH*** GOD HAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH OF YOU**... We have different gifts, according to the **GRACE GIVEN TO EACH OF US**!!
John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"
I Peter 2:9: But you are a **CHOSEN PEOPLE**, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you might declare the praise of Him who **CALLED YOU** out of darkness into His wonderful light!!
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and **KING** of kings and with Him will be His **CALLED** **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!! {Riding on white horses right after the Marriage Feast of the **LAMB** as per Revelation 19:7-20!}
All of God's **CALLED ** **CHOSEN** AND **FAITHFUL** saints are eager to do **GOOD WORKS** with the hope of countless **ETERNAL HEAVEBLY REWARDS** for faithful and loving service!!
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, " For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and **THEN** He will **REWARD** everyone **ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE**!"
Revelation 22:12: Jesus says, "Behold. I am coming soon. My **REWARD** is **WITH ME**, and I will give to everyone **ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE**!!"
Christ nailed to the cross the ordinances of the law . Jesus fulfilled the law.
Are we to not keep the law then ? God forbid. What's this mean?
The ordinances are taken out of the way but we are to keep the laws of Christ which are written on our hearts and minds.
So, I think when it comes to the 613 laws..some do not apply to us obviously. When looking at the 613 laws, my conscience helps me in that area. Alot are just common sense.
Question,
Why keep calculating moon positions? and keep feasts then if he took them out of the way?
You had quoted to P a verse when Jesus said depart from me you who work inequity. I never knew you.
You are not included in that statement if you are keeping his laws. So why keep the extras?
I am a parent of 4 grown children. 3 girls and a boy. I look at it like this. Maybe this may help P...
As a child, you know you would never hear the words from your parent "Depart from me , you who I have nurtured since birth , be gone with you because you disobeyed and didn't keep my law I laid down."
God is love right?
As a parent , you would never do that to your child. But the child shows reverence to the authority to the parent and loves the parent in return. The child is safe in the family knowing he or she won't be evicted for disobedience.
God is a parent to us and we show him honor and reverence . We call him Abba Father. We keep his law or commandments out of love for him. Just like faith ..you are not saved by works but it is the evidence of faith that produces works.
It is all about loving God.
We are all one in Christ Jesus , there is neither Jew nor Greek ...but all one in him of which he is the head.
Question: Do you keep the ordinances out of fear then? Because he is so soon to return? If he is already with us by his Spirit and has been with us since he came to earth, then the feast of tabernacles is fulfilled , yes? I still say he returned in 70 AD. You are welcome to agree to disagree on that one.
