Ok, the cat is out of the bag so to speak of. In the thread "Precession" it is stated that "Precession is caused by a wobble in the spinning of the earth. This causes the sun to rise in the spring in a new constellation about every 2000 years" as if that is even possible for the earth to spin and water yet stay level! Lol!
You may not actually believe that Sadlup and was only throwing it in there for thought.
And that's not even the real funny part because people actually believe you can BEND water and make it stick to a spinning ball with like a conscience like GRABBITY. Ummm "gravity" is yet a theory people and has NOT been proven by SCIENCE! Yup, its true!
Look into it and by all means do the experiments like I have for many years.
But I do not want to spoil the new thread here that hopefully KJVonly will post soon (she teased us in another thread, a woman with much wisdom but terrible timing! Lol!) about the flat earth because I want to chat about the Creation clocks!
Like Sadlup stated - "Wow were my eyes opened! It was then I realized God had His own calendar and clock positioned out of the reach of men (and satan)." A wise observation my friend, I came to that conclusion MANY years ago myself. I agree!
Oooh where does it all begin? Genesis of course!
Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face (surface) of the waters."
So it seems clear to me the earth had no form yet and void of anything but submerged in water. No light source yet to even light up the depths of the waters, nor the earth. Shortly now time on earth, as we know it will begin in next verse!
Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
So now we have a sun (that divided light from darkness vs 4) and obviously He puts it in motion because verse 5 tells us on that first Creation DAY that "the evening and (plus) the morning were the first DAY." Cannot have time without the movement of the Sun I'm thinking. So time begins as we know it across the flat plane of the earth. We should always remember that a day begins at dawn and ends at dusk! NO NO, I know ROME tells us it begins in the middle of the night. Those silly pagans, LOL! Even more funny is the present day Jews teach that a day begins at sundown!? Double LOL!! So comprehend this sillyness, that when it begins to grow dark (sundown) a "DAY" begins??? Not hardly, if we use common sense of what the definition of a DAY is.
Ok lets move on with time. So only one light source is mentioned in verse 3 and 4. I'm thinking I know now that the sun tells me when a day begins and ends but the sun does NOT tell me where I'am in the moonth. Right? So I need another clock to help me with that. Verse 14 helps me with my problem and solves it when it talks about plural lights!
Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights (plural) in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" So obviously to me the moon is not lit until sometime after verse 3 and on because I need a clock to tell me where I'am at every moonth. Look up the definition of "month" and it comes from the word moon
or as I say moonth! Now the stars (ornaments in the firmament, all moving together, some roaming!) give light and tell me where I'm at in the year, as well as spring, summer, fall and winter but not so much about the moonth. But the quarter phases of the moon do and there are 4! Obviously to me (after watching soooo many years now) the dark moon(s) is the new moon Scripture tells us about and that begins the moonth. I mean if the first moonth of Creation began with a non lit new moon, all others will also. Right?
So to me the sun tells when a DAY begins, the moon tells me when a moonth begins and ends and the stars (verse 16) tell me where I'am in the year, along with obviously spring, summer, fall and winter, There is also change in the sun's "orbit" or "circuit" above me that makes the changes from spring to summer to fall and to winter because it makes a tighter circle above me in spring to summer and finally outer circle from fall to winter in my location on the plane.
Lets discuss more of the interesting Genesis 1:14 next time, because atheists LOVE to make fun of Christians when they say "you worship a silly G_d that makes a sun on day one and another on day four" they proudly state, there is only one sun! Do you have an answer for them? Every Christian should but its a fact they just ignor the question and look like fools to the atheists! OUCH!
You know I love you like a brother. While I agree we've been lied to right and left by our governments and religions, I do not think a round earth is among those lies.
I've flown to India, Nepal, Thailand and Japan. I remember one flight took us north up by Alaska then across to Thailand. My face was glued to the window spotting icebergs. We were so high I could see the curvature of the Earth. I could see with my own eyes the earth as a globe.
That being said, I have a serious question for you. What is does Satan hope to accomplish by tricking us into believing the earth is round or flat?
Well I hope there is some interesting discussion in both new threads. I did not realize that someone else was triggered into sharing of these hidden truths also from us growing up and even as adults. It was from your posting and P7744 talking about Genesis CREATION that caused me to want start a thread on this HUGE study!
Now all I can hope for is there is not 7 thousand, 7 hundred and forty four verses on another subject posted here or on yours.
Do you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood since the earth was founded? He sits enthroned above **THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH**, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (Isaiah 40:21-22)
When he established the heavens, I was there: When **HE SET A CIRCLE** upon the face of the deep. (Proverbs 8:27)
Great observation Sadlup! I have to ask...was the windows curved or flat? I swear I am being serious. I would not insult your intelligence. Sometimes are brains are fixed on certain truths and we can't see the forest for the trees!
Teddyhug thank you for posting your creation clock thread. I am enjoying it . We need to dig deep people!! m
Sadlup...I forgot to answer your post...you said.."That being said, I have a serious question for you. What is does Satan hope to accomplish by tricking us into believing the earth is round or flat?" It may have a bearing on WHO God is...is it redefining who he is as creator , what he made or didn't make ? or how he made it.. the first sentence spoken in the bible by satan was hath God said? He redefined God,. attacked his word.
Sorry Teddyhug,..I should have let you answer Sadlup. It's your thread. Forgive me brother. I got post happy . You already grounded me and took away my sweets after dinner yesterday..what is the penalty now???
I would guess P7744 agrees with you and THIS IS GOOD because he will not pelt you with Scripture of another subject! Lol.
Been there done that buddy! Commercial air -PLANES have curved side windows and so BOY are the elite (deciples of satan) ever clever to have us believe we see curvature. Have you flown for years in single engine aircraft like me? They have FLAT side windows
and what a view at 20,000 feet! I have held a 2 foot ruler to the horizon and bubba its level as water. Here is something else to think about when you are up in the air, the horizon ALWAYS rises up to meet you on your eyesight, flying level of course, not climbing nor decending.
Flying away from or going toward like grain elevators like here in Kansas, they never lean away from you. Same goes for very high flashing towers, they are always straight up rather you approaching from a distance or leaving them. Sadlup, Kansas is very flat and buildings on the ground never bend back away from you and of course the horizon always comes up to meet you! Take a short trip up in a flat window plane like a Cessna etc and take a ruler with you! Oh and what's really revealing is flying at night, wow, cities hundreds of miles away (on a good clear night) and they are right up to meet you, flat, never leaning away.
Seriously did you even read what I posted. Ok here is another thought and others would need to think about this also. The ocean water and its depth is TON AND TONS of water. Right? Grabbity supposedly holds the water down with TREMENDOUS force. Correct? But a knat, butterfly or bee can over come that force of "gravity" with ease. How is that??? ABSURDITY!
GRABBITY I call it and it has a conscience! It LOVES everything! LOL! Now, do you really believe that people are hanging up side down in like Australia, cars driving up side down and old cars with carbs the fuel does not run out the top (which would now be the bottom) of them? Lol! There is a hilarious u-tube video to watch of life in Australia, with the song "the land down under" showing cars, people and pets driving walking up side down, even fountain water going up to meet old faithful LAW of GRABBITY! LOL!
I like to watch it now and then to keep the perspective on the HILARIOUSNESS of it all.
OK do some research on Admiral Bird and his expeditions to Antarctica in the 50's by our government, many trips to Antarctica. "Operation deep freeze", "operation high jump" (The ice walls were very high but they had aircraft for the first time that could fly
over them and discovered much frozen hidden land, and finally "operation fish bowl" where they discovered the firmament wall, the dome meets the ground. Antarctica is NOT a continent but the outer high ice wall of the outer ring of the entire flat earth that keeps the LEVEL water in the enclosed earth.
Ok you asked what difference does it make, why would satan not want us to know? Because if we are truly enclosed here on a flat earth with a dome overhead, then we are not going anywhere! Right? There is NOTHING outside our perspective then other than Yahweh's Creation. We are on trial, he is watching us from just above the dome (we are like grasshoppers to Him the Bible says I think in Job) and so He is close, not millions of miles away, taking care of "other galaxies, universes" ect LOL! Its really all so personal now because all there is, is the small sun and moon above us and the stars like little ornaments in the solid firmament above. Do the research, all early civilisations believed in the flat earth, even the catholic church, then they turned the table and came up with stationary sun and everything revolves around it! Don't you see satans counterfeit? He has several weekly counterfeit sabbaths and many annual counterfeit sabbaths! right? So why would he not have a counterfeit for the shape of the earth, enclosed, its all about us the CREATOR is saying by His CREATION! Make sense?
I know you are going to get on board with this, kind of shocked your not already. Just dig buddy! Your too smart not to see the LIGHT in Yah's CREATION. Ta ta for now.
"Do you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood since the earth was founded? He sits enthroned above **THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH**, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (Isaiah 40:21-22)"
"When he established the heavens, I was there: When **HE SET A CIRCLE** upon the face of the deep. (Proverbs 8:27)"
No I will not disrespect you like you do me.
I noticed you only came up with two verses to meet your agenda, the teachings of your past and church. Perhaps for the first time your little world and way of study will be turned upside down (much like Australia they say!LOL!)
Its a simple study, look up the definition of circle in a pagan dictionary. Now do a word search for circle to that of ball. Never says the earth is a ball (sphere) but a circle!
Now go visit KJVonly's new thread and look at the TONS of verses saying the earth has a foundation, four corners, ends of the earth, a firmament, molten looking glass, earth set on pillars and many more!
Definition of a circle - "a round PLANE figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the center).
Definition of a Sphere
A sphere is a geometrical figure that is perfectly round, 3-dimensional and circular - like a ball. Geometrically, a sphere is defined as the set of all points equidistant from a single point in space.
Notice Isaiah says - "He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in"
A ball or sphere NEVER has a canopy nor looks like a tent! Correct?
Wow! see...you both have extensive experiences in aircraft. So you both have a personal perspective to share. Wonderful! Who wants to give me a ride . Beam me up scotty!
