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Dispute in the Early Church over what?
Posted : 12 Jul, 2019 06:53 AM

We must remember the New Testament was compiled 300 years after the Early Church under Constantine who wanted to unify the Church through ending disagreements. Therefore one must read carefully to see there was friction between Paul and the disciples of Jesus. What do you think was the cause of that friction?

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Dispute in the Early Church over what?
Posted : 12 Jul, 2019 07:00 AM

Actually *SAD*lup your extremely Satanic teachings are not believed by any of the born again Christian believers in this **CHRISTIAN**forum! Your Jewish doctrines would be gladly accepted on any Jewish Forum but are completely obnoxious in a **CHRISTIAN** forum. My posts are loaded with God's which exposes all of **SAD**lup's Satanic teachings such as:



***That our great God and Savior Jesus Christ **IS NOT GOD** and His blood DOES MAKE ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS**!!



*** That Jesus did not change any OT Laws.



***That Paul was a **WICKED** man and none of his books are inspired by God which is about half of the New Testament.



**That we are saved by **GOOD WORKS** including keeping all of the OT Laws.



THOSE WHO SUPPORT **SAD**LUP ALSO SUPPORT HIS EXTREMELY SATANIC TEACHINGS**!!



Matthew 22:36-40: A Pharisee asked Jesus: "Teacher,which is the greatest commandment of the Law?" Jesus replied, "Love the Lord your God with all your heartand with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and **GREATEST** commandment. And the **SECOND** is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments!"



And then Jesus also changed the **SECOND GREATEST COMMANDMENT IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IN:



John 13:34,35: Jesus says, "A **NEW COMMAND**I give you: **LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU**, so should you love one another, By this every one will know that you are My disciples!!"



John 15:12-14: Jesus says, "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: **TO LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE FOR ONE'S FRIENDS**. You are My friends **IF** you do what I command!!"



John 10:11: Jesus says, "I am the good Shepherd. The good Shepherd lays down His life for His sheep!"



I John 4:10:11: This is love: Not that we loved God but that He loved us and sent His Son as the **ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS. Dear friends, since God so loved us, *WE ALSO OUGHT TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER**!



Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!!



Now **SAD**lup and Satan teach that Jesus is not God and that our great God and Savior Jesus Christ did not make atonement for our sins!!



I Peter 2:24,25: He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we may die to sins and live for righteousness; "By His wounds we are healed," {Quoting Isaiah 53:5 above} For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls!!



Matthew 22:36-40: A Pharisee asked Jesus: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment of the Law?" Jesus replied, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and **GREATEST** commandment. And the **SECOND** is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments!"



And then Jesus also changed the **SECOND GREATEST COMMANDMENT IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IN:



John 13:34,35: Jesus says, "A **NEW COMMAND**I give you: **LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU**, so should you love one another, By this every one will know that you are My disciples!!"



John 15:12-14: Jesus says, "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: **TO LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE FOR ONE'S FRIENDS**. You are My friends **IF** you do what I command!!"



John 10:11: Jesus says, "I am the good Shepherd. The good Shepherd lays down His life for His sheep!"



I John 4:10:11: This is love: Not that we loved God but that He loved us and sent His Son as the **ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS. Dear friends, since God so loved us, *WE ALSO OUGHT TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER**!



Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!!



Now **SAD**lup and Satan teach that Jesus is not God and that our great God and Savior Jesus Christ did not make atonement for our sins!!



I Peter 2:24,25: He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we may die to sins and live for righteousness; "By His wounds we are healed," {Quoting Isaiah 53:5} For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls!!



Deuteronomy 18:17-19: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among your fellow Israelites, and I will put My words in His mouth. He will tell them **EVERYTHING** I command Him. I Myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My name!!"



John 14:21-24: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me... Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching, My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make Our home with them.. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me!" {See Deut 18:17-19 above}



Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"



I John 2:3-5: We know we have come to know Him {Jesus} if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar and the truth is not in him. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**, God's love is truly made complete in him!



2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT AND NEW TESTAMENT**!!}



**DOES GOD"S WORD SAY THAT **ADDING** OR **TAKING WORD'S AWAY** FROM GOD's WORD IS AN UMPARDONABLE SIN**??



Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the **WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK**: If anyone **ADDS** {Like the RC popes} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** {Like the RC popes} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."

John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is from Me that he will receive what he will make known to you!"

And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write everything Jesus told him to write!!



THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on ***EARTH*** has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** {The entire NT} I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!”



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Dispute in the Early Church over what?
Posted : 12 Jul, 2019 09:42 AM

One clue is where the disciples of Jesus call Paul on the carpet and question him about what they heard about him. They heard Paul was teaching....well her it their own words:



"Now what they have been told about you is that you are teaching all the Jews living among the Goyim to apostatize from Moshe, telling them not to have a b'rit-milah for their sons and not to follow the traditions. "What, then, is to be done?

- Acts 21:21-22



What did they do? They asked Paul to offer a sacrifice to prove he was keeping the Law.



Guess what?



HE DID!!!

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Dispute in the Early Church over what?
Posted : 12 Jul, 2019 02:58 PM

**SAD**LUP MADE THE FOLLOWING 3 RIDICULOUS QUOTES:



""Followers of Jesus are now split into two groups:"



" 1)Those making up new instructions/Law (Nicene creed and other creeds)."



"2) Those saying the Law is revoked and embracing "Lawlessness".



*SAD*lup** also makes the ridiculous claim that Jesus who not even God never changed even one Old Testament Law???



**HOWEVER**: **JESUS MADE MANY AMAZING AND TOUGHER CHANGES TO OLD TESTAMENT MARRIAGE, ADULTERY AND DIVORCE LAWS ***THAT WERE **MUCH MORE LAWLESS*** THAN THE **NEW LAWS** OF OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST**!!



Matthew 5:27,28: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already **COMMITTED ADULTERY** with her in his heart."{This sin is never even mentioned in the Old Testament!}



**THIS WOULD INCLUDE PICTURES OR VIDEOS OF A WOMAN ON TELEVISION OR THE INTERNET OR IN PORNOGRAPHY**!!



Matthew 19::3-9: Some Pharisees came to Jesus to test Him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" "Haven't you read," Jesus replied, "That at the beginning the Creator made them male and female' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefor what God has joined together, let no one separate." Why then the Pharisees asked, did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "MOSES PERMITTED YOU TO DIVORCE YOUR WIVES BECAUSE **YOUR HEARTS WERE HARD**, but it was not this way from the beginning. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery!!!"



In the Old Testament you could divorce your wife for almost any reason by just giving her a certificate of divorce as per Deuteronomy 24:1,3. Actually it is almost impossible in the New Testament to divorce your wife if she is a believer, since Jesus also said in Matthew 18:22 that you should forgive your brother or wife not 7 times but 77 times which can also be translated 7 times 70 times!!



And according to I Corinthians 7:12-15 you can only divorce an unbelieving wife **IF SHE LEAVES YOU* even though you have been a good husband.



I Corinthians 7:12,13,15: If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, **HE MUST NOT DIVORCE HER**. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, **SHE MUST NOT DIVORCE HIM**!... But if an unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances. God has called us to live in peace!



THIS COMPLETELY CHANGES OT LAWS ON DIVORCE**!!



In the Old Testament King David had 8 wives and Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines without any penalty??? But in the New Testament you can have only **ONE WIFE**!!As per I Corinthians 7:2; ! Timothy 3:2,12 and Titus 1:6.



**THIS COMPLETELY CHANGED OT MARRIAGE LAWS**!!



In the OT rich people like Solomon could also afford to have **MANY CONCUBINES** which they could have sex with, without any penalty???



2 Samuel 5:13 - "After he left Hebron, David took more concubines and wives in Jerusalem, and more sons and daughters were born to him."



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Dispute in the Early Church over what?
Posted : 12 Jul, 2019 03:59 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZyRXN9ufE

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Dispute in the Early Church over what?
Posted : 14 Jul, 2019 12:49 PM

Read Prophetic's posts. They are much the same as those who disputed with the real apostles who spent time with Jesus.

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