We have a renagade poster named "Prophetic". Everyone here I have read says he is a nuisance and is driving people out of the forum by literally highjacking threads with walls and walls of repeated cut and paste verses. Now I assume Prophetic thinks he is doing the will of God. With no moderators here to decide; NOW is your chance to voice your opinion and let Prophetic know. Please comment; Is Prophetic doing God's will or Satsn's? Let us know what you think.
**SAD**lup continually complains that I post the Word of God which exposes his very evil Satanic teachings such as:
**SAD**lup teaches that Paul is wicked man and that none of his letters are inspired by God which is about half of the New Testament.
**SAD**lup teaches that only those verses in the NT approved by him are inspired by God and that not one inspired NT verse changes any of the 613 OT laws.
**SAD**lup teaches that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is **NOT GOD** even though He is called God 7 times and Lord over 200 times in God's Word.
**SAD**lup teaches that you are saved by **GOOD WORKS** by obeying all of the OT laws.
**SAD**lup never exegetes or answers any of the many Scriptures from God's Word which totally exposes his Satanic beliefs.
I was a missionary in Israel and **SAD**lup has the same beliefs as most of the Jewish Rabbis on the New Testament and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!!
2 Timothy 315-17; 4:1-4: You have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus , who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of **HIS APPEARING**and **HIS KINGDOM, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**; be prepared in season and out of season, correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like**SAD**lup} will not put their faith in sound doctrine. Instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
AND Richard assumes the alias of “prophetic” but abuses a host of Bible verses torn from their original contexts to claim that Jesus is not co-equal with God the Father and that the Holy Spirit is not even a person.
Even the Catholics get this one right!!
A true prophet of God would believe what God says about himself and quote it accurately
Let’s look at one of “Prophetic” Richard’s abuses of scripture.
Richard is fond of quoting John 14:28 as a “proof” that Jesus is not co-equal with God the Father. This verse is a quote from Jesus who says, “...the Father is greater than l...” Richard is sure Jesus’ is not talking about his earthly humility as a man but about a Jesus who is less than the Father.
Let’s apply Richard’s reckless hermeneutic (interpretation) to Hebrews 2:9. Here Jesus is said to have been, ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." (Heb. 2:9).
So, if we were to apply Richard’s very foolish interpretation of scripture to Jesus’ status compared with the angels we would have to conclude that Jesus as God is not even equal to the angels but is less than them. How absurd!!
Any person with a modicum of common sense would conclude after reading the relevant scriptures below and other that our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ humbled himself by becoming a man and was made lower than the angels. But Jesus did not ever stop being God!!
See Philippians 2:5-8
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
I appeal to readers, not to Richard, because Richard has been unresponsive to scriptural proof that refutes his bad theology. In response, he usually just continues to misquote more scripture by pasting a jumble of scriptures together incoherently and then creates his own false narratives.
Richard sometimes has some good things to say but then he neutralizes all of it with his self-destructive false narratives
Col. 2:9, "For in Him (Jesus) all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,"
The Roman Catholic Church was the first to adopt the doctrine of the trinity in AD 325 which stated that God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ and the holy spirit are **ONE**, **CO-EQUAL** and each is **GOD**??? Do you agree with the Roman Catholic Church??
Unfortunately many other churches have adopted this **EQUAL** definition of the Trinity:
We teach that the one true God. is the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, three distinct persons, but of one and the same divine essence, **EQUAL** in power{???}, **EQUAL** in eternity{???}, **EQUAL** in majesty{???}, because each person possesses the one divine essence. -- Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod)
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is fully God and is called God 7 times in God's Word and Lord over 200 times!
Question: Is Jesus **CO-EQUAL** with the Father?
**WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
John 14:28: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the **FATHER IS GREATER THAN I**!"
John 10:27-30: Jesus says, "My sheep listen to My voice, I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me is **GREATER THAN ALL**;
John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"
John 17:17: Jesus says to His Father, "Sanctify them by the truth **YOUR WORD** is Truth!!"
Deuteronomy 18:17-20: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put My words in His mouth. He will tell them everything I command Him. I Myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My Name!"
John 14:23-24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and **WE** will come to them and make **OUR HOME** with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not My own; **THEY BELONG TO THE FATHER WHO SENT ME**!"
Matthew 28:16-20:: Jesus says, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age!"
Jesus is the **HEAD** of God's Kingdom in the NT era until His 2nd Coming and **THEN** He will hand over the *ETERNAL* Kingdom to God the Father!
I Corinthians 15:23-24: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the Firstfruits, then, when He comes, those who belong to Him. **THEN** He will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father!
There are 7 passages in the New Testament which state that we should ((ONLY PRAY YO GOD THE FATHER**!
Matthew 5:6-10: Jesus says, "When you pray, go into your room, close the door and **PRAY TO YOUR FATHER** who is unseen. Then your **FATHER**, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray do not keep on babbling like pagans for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your **FATHER** knows what you need before you ask Him. This then is how you should pray: 'Our **FATHER** in heaven, hallowed be Your name, **YOUR KINGDOM COME, **YOUR WILL BE DONE**!!'"
Revelation 1:1: The Revelation from Jesus Christ, which **GOD GAVE HIM**!
John 14:28: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the **FATHER IS GREATER THAN I!"
I have refuted Richard’s false claim that Roman Catholicism invented the concept of co-equality with God in other posts. The facts of history and the facts of scripture clearly refute Richard’s false teaching.
The Bible says God would send lying prophets to test us.
I'll briefly address your lying accusations:
**SAD**lup continually complains that I post the Word of God which exposes his very evil Satanic teachings such as:"
RESPONSE:
No, I complain you pervert the word of God ad nauseam then refuse to discuss your errors. Instead you post walls and walls of misinterpretated verses disrupting people's discussions. If you can't act responsibly, I think I speak for the others also - GET OUT! - START YOUR OWN THREAD AND QUIT HARRASSING PEOPLE !!!'
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"**SAD**lup teaches that Paul is wicked man and that none of his letters are inspired by God which is about half of the New Testament."
RESPONSE:
This is an outrageous lie. I don't exalt Paul to the equal or greater than Jesus. Yet Paul's letters are inspired and many pervert them to their own destruction!
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"**SAD**lup teaches that only those verses in the NT approved by him are inspired by God and that not one inspired NT verse changes any of the 613 OT laws."
RESPONSE:
Who told you there were 613 OT laws? Are you so clueless you don't even realize that comes from the Jewish Rabbis that you denigrate? Hilarious! The Law cannot be changed this side of eternity. Even Jesus taught this in Matthew 5:17-18. But you ignore the simple direct words of Jesus in favor of complicated misinterpretated words of Paul that even Peter said people pervert to their own destruction.
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"**SAD**lup teaches that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is **NOT GOD** even though He is called God 7 times and Lord over 200 times in God's Word."
RESPONSE;
I believe God is in Jesus reconciliating the world to Himself. I don't believe Jesus is part of a Trio of god like the other PAGAN religions of the time.
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"**SAD**lup teaches that you are saved by **GOOD WORKS** by obeying all of the OT laws."
RESPONSE:
You're kinda confused on this. I teach what Jesus and James taught. Basically --- without works, faith is dead. I believe God loves us and because He loves us; He gave us instructions on how to live. A person is wise to trust God and follow His instructions.
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"**SAD**lup never exegetes or answers any of the many Scriptures from God's Word which totally exposes his Satanic beliefs."
RESPONSE:
This is an outright lie. And you know it! On multiple occasions with specific individual verses I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have taken verses out of context. This is easily provable by looking at past threads. How could you be so dumb to prove to everyone you are indeed a liar?
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"I was a missionary in Israel and **SAD**lup has the same beliefs as most of the Jewish Rabbis on the New Testament and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!!"
RESPONSE:
Yes, it is true I share many beliefs with Jewish Rabbis. However I also actively debate with Jewish Rabbis on Y'shua ha mashiach and ha Brit Chadashah (Jesus the Christ and the New Testament). You expose your anti-Semitic prejudice for denouncing all Rabbinic beliefs only because they are Jewish. Maybe this is why you hate me? FYI: my Greek friend; Jesus was Jewish and so is every book and author of the Bible (except Luke & Acts). 2000 years later in another culture and language you think you know better? Absolutely hilarious!
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"2 Timothy 315-17; 4:1-4: You have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching....."
RESPONSE:
Richard; In this verse Paul is talking about the Old Testament. When Paul wrote 2 Timothy the New Testament Scriptures didn't exist!!!
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Richard there is nothing worse than a liar who perverts the truth. Except an arrogant liar who is proud to pervert the truth thinking he knows it all. For such a man will never REPENT!
Actually **SAD**lup I love the Jews and that is why I was a missionary in Israel. God inspired 32 Jews to write the OT and 8 Jews to write the New Testament of Faith and Love which you completely and sinfully distort.
During the Great Tribulation one third or about 5,000,000 Jews will be saved by accepting our Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior and accepting and obeying all the commands of the New Covenant with the hope of countless eternal rewards for faithful and loving service.
Zechariah 13:8,9: "In the whole land," declares the Lord, "Two thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it. The third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on My name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people. and they will say the Lord is our God!!'"
Romans 11:25-29: I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited. Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: "The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is My Covenant with them when they take away their sins!" As far as the Gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved because of the Patriarchs, for God's gifts and His call are irrevocable!
Unfortunately **SAD**lup you may not be part of the 5 million saved since you have sinfully **ADDED* and **TAKEN WORDS AWAY** from God's New Covenant of Faith and Love by our Heavenly Father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I don't think it is our job to be speaking condemnation against each other. We have all been guilty of mis-interpreting scripture at some time. As long as we are not doing it on purpose I don't believe a truly righteous man will be condemned.
We are seeing things through a glass darkling and should be helping each other rather than defending a position.
Richard why are you condemning Sadlup for his comments about Paul when you don’t believe God or Paul. Paul believed Jesus, the Son of God is Co-equal with God the Father and co-equal with the Holy Spirit. Butt you don’t even believe in the living Holy Spirit
LittleDavid wrongly claimed that I believe the holy spirit is not a person. However, I just claimed that the holy spirit is not **CO-EQUAL** with God the Father and God the Son!
little David Quote:
"Son of God is obviously **CO-EQUAL** with God the Father.
The Roman Catholic Church was the first denomination to state that God the Father and God the Son are completely **CO-EQUAL ** in AD 325.
Jesus Christ is fully God since God's Word states that Jesus is God 7 times and that Jesus is Lord over 200 times!
Question: Is Jesus who is God **CO-EQUAL** with God the Father?
**WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
John 14:28: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the **FATHER IS GREATER THAN I**!"
John 10:27-30: Jesus says, "My sheep listen to My voice, I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of My hand. **MY FATHER, WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME** is **GREATER THAN ALL**!"
John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"
John 17:17: Jesus says to His Father, "Sanctify them by the truth **YOUR WORD** is Truth!!"
Deuteronomy 18:17-20: The Lord said to Moses, "I will raise up for them a Prophet from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put My words in His mouth. He will tell them everything I command Him. I Myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My Name!"
John 14:23-24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and **WE** will come to them and make **OUR HOME** with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not My own; **THEY BELONG TO THE FATHER WHO SENT ME**!"
Revelation 1:1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which **GOD GAVE HIM**!
Jesus is the **HEAD** of God's Kingdom in the NT era until His 2nd Coming and **THEN** He will hand over the **ETERNAL** Kingdom to God the Father!
I Corinthians 15:23-24: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the Firstfruits, then, when He comes, those who belong to Him. **THEN** He will hand over the {**ETERNAL**}Kingdom to God the Father!
There are 7 passages in the New Testament which state that we should **ONLY PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER**!! **SUCH AS**:
Matthew 6:6-10: Jesus says, "When you pray, go into your room, close the door and **PRAY TO YOUR FATHER**, who is unseen. Then **YOUR FATHER**, who sees what is done in secret will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them for your **FATHER KNOWS** what you need before you ask Him! This then, is how you should pray: 'Our **FATHER** in heaven hallowed be your name, **YOUR {**ETERNAL**}KINGDOM** come, **YOUR WILL** be done, on earth as it is in heaven!'"
Luke 11:4: Jesus says, "When you pray say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be Your Name, your {*ETERNAL*} Kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. "**FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we forgive everyone who sins against us!'"
Revelation 1:1: The Revelation from Jesus Christ, which **GOD {The *FATHER*} GAVE HIM**!
John 14:28: Jesus says, "If you loved Me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the **FATHER IS GREATER THAN I!"
little David refuses to answer any of the above Words of God that clearly show the God the Father is greater than God the son.
Little David falsely claims that prophetic twists scripture to force God’s Word fit his false teaching. Whereas I just quote God's Word that Little David has no answer for.
