Author	Thread: The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 09:20 AM All false religions, which includes certain aberrant forms of “Christianity”, assume an inherent “goodness” or “righteousness” residing deep within the soul of mankind that can save from the wrath of God’s coming judgment against sinners. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 09:51 AM The Bible says the sinful human heart is beyond remedy Jeremiah 17:9 (NIV) 9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? The human heart is open to deceptions like imaginations of inherent goodness. The most evil of men can claim some sort goodness deep inside them. Even the smiling and doting Adolf Hitler can point to a form of goodness when he lovingly held in his arms a little child. He sure “looked like” a good man in that film. That particular film obviously didn’t show Hitler’s malicious heart. But it’s the pride of man which enables him to see himself as “basically good”! This is because mankind just wants to shield himself from the threat of God pure Holiness. So it’s better to have a god who is less holy. A god who isn’t as angry with sin especially if it’s my sin!!! So man thinks of himself as a being who is more good than he is and he reduces God’s Holiness to religiously acceptable limits. Limits that secular minds find less terrifying. Hence, the road to hell is the tragedy of false religions which elevate the goodness of mankind and lower the Holiness of God Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 11:40 AM So what comes first; invented false religion or the desire for righteousness outside God's instruction? Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 03:33 PM First, a perfectly created man sinned by disobedience. Next, the new sinner began to experience shame or guilt as a result of his sin. He suddenly realizes he is naked and then tries to make a false covering out of leaves. But when he hears God approaching, he quickly tries to hide himself even though he has “covered” his nakedness with the leaves. When confronted by God, he tries to shift the reason for his disobedience to the woman that God created. All these things are fundamentally the stuff false religion is made from. First, disobedience Second, guilt and shame Third, self-made covering for the shame but no genuine confession of sin Fourth, The man basically says, I’m really a good man and wouldn’t have done any wrong if it wasn’t for someone else tempting me to do it, maybe even God is at fault because he made the one who tempted me. Unlike false religion devotees, I think Adam and Eve eventually realized the responsibility for their sin and rebellion against God. Possibly that realization began to settle in the minds of the first sinners some time after God shed the blood of an innocent animal and used its skins to cover the guilt of the 2 sinners. Thus, the first innocent sacfrice signifies the final and innocent human sacrifice that would finally satisfy God’s penalty against sin. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 04:09 PM Dave, first define religion. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 07:07 PM LittleDavid, There can be no disobedience without there first being instructions to disobey. If the penalty for disobeying was paid by the animals, then God didn't forgive the debt, but was paid. I think there is more than penal substitution going on here. In fact I speculate "penal substitution" outside a defined Covenant is indeed a false religion. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 10:29 PM George I’m not sure what your asking. Do you want an unabridged definition of the word religion or do you want me to clarify something? Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 10:39 PM Sadlup I apologize, I probably should have provided more information about the command God gave Adam who later passed the details of the command on to Eve. They were commanded not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or else they would die. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 29 May, 2019 10:46 PM Sadlup I agree, the animal sacrifice was like all other animal sacrifices in that they did not atone for the sin of disobedience. Animal sacrifices essentially provide gruesome graphics of innocent lives shedding their blood and dying for the guilty Post Reply
View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 30 May, 2019 02:33 AM Dave, i want your definition of ' religion ' not from a dictionary. Christianity is just another religion,But being a BELIEVER in Messiah is something different. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	The Tragedy of False Religion is the Tragedy of False Righteousness Posted : 30 May, 2019 05:07 AM George, In my initial thread description above, I said, “All false religions, which includes certain aberrant forms of “Christianity”, assume an inherent “goodness” or “righteousness” residing deep within the soul of mankind that can save from the wrath of God’s coming judgment against sinners”. My usage of the term religion in this thread (assuming an inherent goodness or righteousness...) is supposed to set the context. But in responce to your most recent post above, you say, “Christianity is just another religion...”. According to this thread’s description of false religions, which includes certain aberrations of “Christianity” (particularly those believing people are inherently good), I might agree with you. But then you say, “But being a BELIEVER in Messiah is something different.” George, My thread is not necessarily restricted to only the type of false religion l depicted, so you’re welcome to introduce the term “believer” but you need to explain what you mean by “BELIEVER in Messiah is different.” Because Jesus says simple belief is not enough. In John 8, Jesus is very clear, simply “believing in Jesus”, is insufficient and James the apostle says “even the demons believe and tremble.” In fact, Jesus contrasted those who “believed in Him” with an example set by Abraham in the following passage from John 8 30As Jesus spoke these things, many >>believed<< in Him. 31So He said to the Jews who had >>believed<< Him, *****NOTE***** “If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33“We are Abraham’s descendants,” they answered. “We have never been slaves to anyone. How can You say we will be set free?” 34Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know you are Abraham’s descendants, but you are trying to kill Me because My word has no place within you. 38 l speak of what I have seen in the presence of the Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.” 39“Abraham is our father,” they replied. *****NOTE***** “If you were children of Abraham,” said Jesus, “you would do the works of Abraham. 40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing. 41You are doing the works of your father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they declared. “Our only Father is God Himself.” *****NOTE***** 42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on My own, but He sent Me. 43Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me! 46Which of you can prove Me guilty of sin? If I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” Before Abraham was Born, I Am 48The Jews answered Him, “Are we not right to say that You are a Samaritan and You have a demon?” 49“I do not have a demon,” Jesus replied, “but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50I do not seek My own glory. There is One who seeks it, and He is the Judge. 51Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death.” 52“Now we know that You have a demon!” declared the Jews. “Abraham died, and so did the prophets, yet You say that anyone who keeps Your word will never taste death. 53Are You greater than our father Abraham? He died, as did the prophets. Who do You claim to be?” 54Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory means nothing. The One who glorifies Me is My Father, of whom you say ‘He is ourd God.’ 55You do not know Him, but I know Him. If I said I did not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know Him, and I keep His word. 56Your father Abraham was overjoyed to see My day. He saw it and was glad.” 57Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58“Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to throw at Him. Post Reply

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