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Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 26 Sep, 2015 08:24 AM
Gracenotworkssaves posted church service-worship service on September 5, 2015
"Hello everyone
I hear these two sayings a lot by Christians, church service--- worship service, I cannot find either of these terms nor any references to them in the entire New Covenant.
Is there someone which could post at least one Scripture showing where we are to be ' Going to church', ' Attending a worship service' or 'Going to a church service'.
I do not believe these 'things' are in the Word of GOD almighty, that they have been made up by men to entertain the people and to keep the masses from knowing the truth of who Messiah
Yeshua really is.
Have fun searching the Scriptures concerning these man made events."
In response: Here are more than one Scripture passages in response to your thread. Prayerfully,this will help you and others to know the truth as to why Christian believer are to gather together in one place as the Body of Christ...doesn't matter if its in a church building that has been set aside for the place to honor God in worship, or if its a home, or at McDonalds... as a church (Body of Christ) we are to gather together as ONE in obedience to Christ, who tell us that, Where two or MORE are gather together in HIS NAME He is in our midst"...
I do not know your purpose of intent to prove or disprove that we, as Christian believers are to assemble ourselves together, or if this is to justify YOU not attending church worship services� but throughout the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John we find wherein, Jesus Himself and the disciples attended church/worship services in the temple and synagogues, praying and worshipping God and preaching and teaching the gospel to the people.
You requested one Scripture passage, in the New Testament but to assure you of our obligation as the Body of Christ, that we are to gather together (attend church-worship service) as ONE BODY IN CHRIST AS THE CHURCH IN ONE PLACE TOGETHER... I will provide you with more than ONE PASSAGE. �Its your choice to decide what YOU will do�therefore, I have you not ignorant my brother of GOD�S TRUTH, NOT BASED ON YOUR OWN BELIEFS OR TRUTH ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU THINK AND BELIEVE� but the CHURCH gathered to gather often and regularly in ONE PLACE that was set aside for praise and worship of our Lord. Call it what you may, church service, worship service or whatever... the purpose of gathering together as Christian believers in one place has ONLY one goal in mind...to worship and praise our Lord Jesus Christ in one accord as a group.
1. Matthew 16:13-20
18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church (Body of Christ) ; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
2. On the Day of Pentecost the Body of Christ (the Church were gathered together in one place
Acts 2: When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in ONE PLACE."
4. Throughout the book of Acts we find the Apostles and disciples, and THE CHURCH (People-BODY OF CHRIST) praying and worshipping together either in the temple (church) or the synagogue (church), as well as the new Christian believers in homes. You search the Scriptures for yourself�. Acts 1:42-45; Acts 3:1-11; Acts 5:42; Acts 6:9-443; Acts 10:1-24; Acts 11-12; Acts 13:5-14; Acts 14:1; Acts 20:17.
5. The Apostle Paul writes in Ephesians 4:11-12, �So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people (the saints/church-Body of Christ) for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.�
If no one is attending church as a group of believers what use are the called position God has given in the church, if the body is scatters and not attending together in one place as the Body of Christ?
6. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were given to the CHURCH (Body of Christ) in the CHURCH, not so that each person as the Lone Ranger for their own use... I Corinthians 12,
7. In I Peter 5:2-4 �Be shepherds of God�s flock that is under your care, watching over them�not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.�
A flock is not one person, nor is a flock two or three people it�s the gathering of a group of people/sheep , etc... in one place otherwise, how can you effectively care for them or shepherd a flock properly if they are scattered all over the place?
8. Church Discipline is also to be brought before the CHURCH... how can this happen if no one is gathered together in ONE PLACE AS THE BODY OF CHRIST?
Matthew 8:15-17... "And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto you as a heathen man and a tax collector."
9. Paul also speaks about defiling the church in I Corinthians chapter 5: � In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
I could go on to show YOU your error as it pertains to Christian believers gathering together in one place to worship and praise our Lord... Nevertheless, For you or anyone to say that gathering together as ONE BODY IN CHRIST IS NOT IMPORTANT OR THE TERMS USED IS OF MAN, MATTERS NOT WHAT YOU CALL IT... THIS IS A LIE OF THE DEVIL!.. NO WHERE CAN YOU PROVIDE A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS BELIEVERS ARE NOT TO GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE, AND FOR SURE IS NOT BIBLICAL NOR CAN BE FOUND IN GOD'S HOLY WORD THAT WHEN BELIEVERS OD GATHER THIS IS NOT CALLED WORSHIP SERVICE OR CHURCH SERVICE..
For believers to gather corporately in one place is found through out the New Testament., whether they gather in a temple, or any kind of building that is called a church... attendance promotes fellowship and encouragement.. again, call it church service or worship service THIS IS NOT important.
If you and your family gather together and this is important for fellowship with one another as a family, should not this be the same for Christian believers who gather togethr in one place to worship and praise the Lord? YES!...
Again, The church building is a place dedicated to the worship of the corporate BODY OF CHRIST TO come together in one place having all things in common, with one spiritual purpose in mind, to worship in one accord our Lord Jesus Christ as ONE BODY IN CHRIST.
You find this gathering in unity from the Old Testament throughout the New Testament and finally in the book of Revelation, when ALL THE SAINTS OF GOD WILL GATHER IN ONE PLACE TO WORSHIP AND SING PRAISE TO GOD OUR FATHER AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IN HIS HOLY TEMPLE!
The 1st century Christian believers could not afford a church building therefore they DID NOT have a building built for worshipping God, but they still gathered wherever they could in ONE PLACE in one accorded to worship the Lord.
DO NOT ALLOW THE DEVIL TO DECEIVE YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT THIS IS NOT SCRIPTURAL, AND IS NOT OF GOD... THE DEVIL IS A LAIR PREVENTING YOU AND OTHERS FROM GETTING SPIRITUALLY STRONG IN THE LORD THROUGH THE FELLOWSHIPPING AND PRAISING GOD WITH OTHER CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS IN ONE PLACE, THIS IS TO STRENGTHEN YOUR FAITH WHEN YOU GATHER IN THE HOUSE OF WORSHIP WITH OTHER BELIEVERS.
The church building is CALLED A HOUSE OF WORSHIP, denoting that it is the place where the CHURCH (BODY OF CHRIST) gathers together in one place in one accord... no different than your HOUSE IS CALLED A HOME WHERE YOUR FAMILY LIVES AND GATHERS TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE AND IN ONE ACCORD... TO LIVE AS A FAMILY!:glow:.. what does going hme mean or have to do with going to your house where your family lives and gather?... terms have nothing to do with what God commands or expects of us... so don't get lost in the use of terms " attending worshp service" or "going to church service" to justify YOU not attending or gathering together with other believers in one place,,, you can find yourself in spiritual error, as you already are...and is MORE spiritual damaging than the TERMS!
The big question is: ARE YOU IN OBEDIENCE/COMPLIANCE WITH, AND TO WHAT GOD REQUIRES OF US FOR OUR OWN SPIRITUAL GROWTH AND COMMANDS OF US AS CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS...
Hebrews 10:24-25:
"And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.":glow:
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 26 Sep, 2015 02:59 PM
:excited:... welcome back !!! ... :peace:
I find it interesting that the ones that scoff...grumble...and continually mock those "Christians" that do assemble together for Church/Worship/Service are the same ones that have skipped over this verse in their studies because it Says what it Means and Means what it Says and can not be "twisted" to fit their own conception of truth...
Hebrews 10:24-25:
"And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 26 Sep, 2015 02:59 PM
HI ET,
The English word 'church' is something man made, not Messiah building, go check your Greek .
The so called 'church' is a DEAD Organization, whereas the BODY of Messiah is a living organism.
Within most of the 'churches', there is no freedom for the people to share anything when they GO TO THE CHURCH SERVICE, because the Holy Spirit does not reside there.
Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is LIBERTY.
During the 'church' service, everything is prearranged for the sheeple because the self called pastors do not believe the sheeple are capable of reading the Word of GOD for themselves, in order to have something to share with the people.
1Co 14:26
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Co 14:27
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
1Co 14:28
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
1Co 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Co 14:30
If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
1Co 14:31
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1Co 14:32
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
The 'church' is a business, as with any business only the bosses are important enough to say anything,( there are the pastor the workers are to keep silent and do as they are told.
Anyone not towing the line will be dealt with, by being removed.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 26 Sep, 2015 03:05 PM
Act 17:22
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Act 17:23
For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Act 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 26 Sep, 2015 03:09 PM
Oh ya...I almost forgot...This Scripture came to mind...it speaks Volumes of really GOOD Wisdom for All the Body...God Bless !!!
Colossians 2 (KJV)
2 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 26 Sep, 2015 08:21 PM
:waving:...Hi George...I wasn't speaking to you George and I'm not here to dance with you either since I'm still waiting for You to Proclaim and Preach "The Gospel"...
Seriously George...until a person can "Proclaim and Preach the Gospel"...their Opinion or What they say here has very little value in bringing Praise and Glory to the Most High GOD Almighty or Edifying the Body of Christ...and thats No Lie!!!...Proof is in the Puddin...and I aint talkin Pie in the Eye...:laugh:
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 27 Sep, 2015 01:09 AM
Hi there Hisjoymypeace
God bless you for recognizing God's truth. Thank you.
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Hey Jude,
Thank you for the welcome... long time no see. Yes, I'm back for a spell, I see things are still the same after four years of being gone, including the board, no up-grades!.. :lol:
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Hi Gracenotworkssaves,
Hope you search out those Scriptures I posted... don't just read the few verses, but spend time reading the whole chapter... this will help you to better understand the spiritual importance of attending church with other believers, as we are so commanded to do..of course, that choice is your's alone between you and your God. Acts chapter 2 a a great place to start reading...
Please know, that flip-flopping all over the place quoting Scriptures does not answer the questions I asked of you, nor explain your views regarding my response to your thread...
Nevertheless, God bless...Thank you for joining the discussion.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 27 Sep, 2015 05:06 AM
Hi Jude,
I do not know if you have understood anything I have ever written, have proclaimed the Gospel numerous times here, but most will not understand the simplicity of what GOD Almighty says in His word ( not the translations).
I never learned to dance, a young man could have gotten beaten learning to dance when I was growing up.
The Gospel, (The euaggelion),also known as The good news.
The good news is that GOD the Father had slain His Son Yeshua in order to forgive the sin of man, to justify man, to be just in His dealings with man, to fulfill His Word to man, and to satisfy His wrath, and to satisfy the righteous requirements of the Law.
Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
Isa 53:11
He shall see the labor of His soul, [fn] and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
Zechariah 13:6
�And one will say to him, �What are these wounds between your arms?� [fn] Then he will answer, �Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.�
Zechariah 13:7
�Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd,
Against the Man who is My Companion,�
Says the LORD of hosts.
�Strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep will be scattered;
Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.
Heb 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. And all of Hebrews chapter 10.
The Good news does not require man to bring a sacrifice for their sins to be forgiven, seeing that GOD Almighty has already provided the One and ONLY sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin(s), that being the Blood of the lamb of GOD Yeshua.
The Gospel does not require man to do any good works,in order to be saved,seeing that Messiah had finished the work of GOD for the salvation of man.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
The Gospel does not require man to ' Tithe' , seeing Messiah had come to fill up that which the law could not do,
Mat 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
The Gospel does not require anyone to repent of their sin to be saved, a person is to repent ( change their mind) of their UNBELIEF towards GOD Almighty, believe the Gospel.
Mar 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
The Gospel does not require man to save himself from the wrath of GOD against sin, man needs faith in Yeshua to save them from the wrath of GOD against their sin.
Ephesians 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast The Gospel
The Gospel is the power of GOD for the salvation of man.
Rom 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
The Gospel says that man is not condemned because of sin, as sin has been dealt with by the cross.
Man is condemned because of UNBELIEF, not FAITHING INTO YESHUA ( not a new understanding, what the Word of GOD actually says, FAITHING).
John 3:14
�As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;
John 3:15
so that whoever [fn]believes will in Him have eternal life.
John 3:16
�For God so loved the world, that He gave His [fn]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:17
�For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
John 3:18
�He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the [fn]only begotten Son of God.
The Gospel is the good news of the life, death, burial, and resurrection of Messiah.
1Corinthians 15:1
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Corinthians 15:4
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
The Gospel does not require man to do anything, for Grace, and Faith which are necessary for FAITHING into Messiah are given by GOD Almighty.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [fn]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
The Gospel is what I have been proclaiming here, and wherever I go, please do not say that I have not proclaimed the Gospel.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 27 Sep, 2015 10:36 AM
God Bless you Brother George,
I understand your apparent frustration with regards to modern churches, it is difficult to find one which allows freedom of the Holy Spirit to work within it, like Paul described in 1Co 14:26-33.
But I'm sure I'm not alone when I wonder what your solution is Brother?
You seem to be denouncing the modern concept of church services, but not offering a substitution, are we to not meet at all as Christians? This surely cannot be acceptable to you?
Like I say, I to have become disillusioned with some of the churches I've attend, for various reasons, but I still want to gather with my fellow Christians, so I find myself (and my Brother with whom, God be thanked, I live) move from one church to another periodically!
Actually, we have been fellow-shipping at home only for the last two weeks, but this is not because we disbelieve in the concept of churches, just that we are waiting for God to find us one!
Are you aware of the (albeit not biblical saying) 'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater'?
In your reply to Jude you said
---The Gospel does not require man to do anything, for Grace, and Faith which are necessary for FAITHING into Messiah are given by GOD Almighty.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [fn]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; ---
Of course I agree but I just wanted to add that this does not mean that we should sit back and be idle regarding our commission
Ja 2
20 But wilt thou understand, O thou vain man, that the faith which is without works, is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified through works, when he offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou not that the faith wrought with his works? and through the works was the faith made perfect.
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that of works a man is justified, and not of faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified through works, when she had received the messengers, and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, even so the faith without works is dead.
