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If you were not predestined unto eternal life you can never believe.
Posted : 15 Sep, 2014 01:26 PM
What Elohim has decreed to come to pass, men choose in time:
"Him being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain". Acts 2:23
What do you think "Him being delivered" means, if not that Elohim knew of the unconditional certainty of the accomplishment of everything foretold, and fulfilled His will in delivering Ha' Mashiyach as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world to be slain?
You believe in a false religion, I can tell by the comments you use, and the way you try and manipulate the scripture.
Let me give you some scriptures, which proves otherwise:
1. "Come ye blessed of my Father inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" [Matthew 25:34].
2. "All that the Father gives unto me shall come unto me; and him that cometh unto me I shall never cast out" [John 6:37].
3. "And this is the will of the Father which hath sent me, that of all he has given me I shall lose nothing" [John 6:39].
4. "And when the gentiles heard this, they glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" [Acts 13:48].
5. "For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" [I Thess 5:9].
6. "But we are bound to give thinks always to God for you brethren, beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the spirit and belief of the truth" [2 Thess 2:13].
7. "But we are not of them who turn back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul" [Heb 10:39].
8. "You can be confident of this very thing that he which hath begun a good work in you shall perform it unto the day of salvation" [Phil 1:6].
9. "For God hath not called us unto uncleanness but unto holiness" [I Thess 4:7].
10. "For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified" [Heb 10:14].
11. "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" [James 1:18].
Do you know what the word "qodesh" means? It is the Hebrew word which was translated into "holy". It means "set-apart" or "sanctified".
Those who are predestined, were "set-apart". They are going to inherit eternal life, not earn it. When they are born they receive "the Spirit of Adoption, whereby they cry, 'Abba, Father' " [Romans 8:15]
When men are born, they receive one of two spirits, the Spirit of the Devil or the Spirit of God. This is why Romans states: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the Sons of God." [8:14]
"And when the gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48
You do not believe, because one of two reasons. 1, you are not of the sheep, or 2, you have not been called out of the darkness, yet.
Look at this passage where Jesus is in the Temple, in Solomon's porch [John 10, and the Jews (those who were offspring of the Devil - John 8:44) come to him, and they ask Him, to tell them plainly if He is Ha' Mashiyach [The Messiah]. Look at what He tells them. He tells them that the reason they do not believe, is because they are not of His sheep. He does not tell them, that the reason they are not His sheep, is because they do not believe, which is exactly what Christianity teaches:
"And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." John 10:22-30
Did you get that, "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep".
This is where many a serpent hiding in sheep's clothing, in the pulpits of Christianity twist the scripture around, and tell men, "If you want to become one of Jesus's sheep, you have to believe first!"
WRONG!!!!
If you are not one of the sheep, you can never believe~
If you were not predestined unto eternal life you can never believe.
Posted : 15 Sep, 2014 01:29 PM
I posted this above statement on predestination, before I had an opportunity to edit it.
HERE IS THE EDITED VERSION:
What Elohim has decreed to come to pass, men choose in time:
"Him being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain". Acts 2:23
What do you think "Him being delivered" means, if not that Elohim knew of the unconditional certainty of the accomplishment of everything foretold, and fulfilled His will in delivering Ha' Mashiyach as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world to be slain?
You believe in a false religion, I can tell by the comments you use, and the way you try and manipulate the scripture.
Let me give you some scriptures, which proves otherwise:
1. "Come ye blessed of my Father inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" [Matthew 25:34].
2. "All that the Father gives unto me shall come unto me; and him that cometh unto me I shall never cast out" [John 6:37].
3. "And this is the will of the Father which hath sent me, that of all he has given me I shall lose nothing" [John 6:39].
4. "And when the gentiles heard this, they glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" [Acts 13:48].
5. "For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" [I Thess 5:9].
6. "But we are bound to give thinks always to God for you brethren, beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the spirit and belief of the truth" [2 Thess 2:13].
7. "But we are not of them who turn back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul" [Heb 10:39].
8. "You can be confident of this very thing that he which hath begun a good work in you shall perform it unto the day of salvation" [Phil 1:6].
9. "For God hath not called us unto uncleanness but unto holiness" [I Thess 4:7].
10. "For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified" [Heb 10:14].
11. "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" [James 1:18].
Do you know what the word "qodesh" means? It is the Hebrew word which was translated into "holy". It means "set-apart" or "sanctified".
Those who are predestined, were "set-apart". They are going to inherit eternal life, not earn it. When they are born they receive "the Spirit of Adoption, whereby they cry, 'Abba, Father' " [Romans 8:15]
When men are born, they receive one of two spirits, the Spirit of the Devil or the Spirit of God. This is why Romans states: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the Sons of God." [8:14]
"And when the gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48
You do not believe, because one of two reasons. 1, you are not of the sheep, or 2, you have not been called out of the darkness, yet.
Look at this passage where Jesus is in the Temple, in Solomon's porch [John 10, and the Jews (those who were offspring of the Devil - John 8:44) come to him, and they ask Him, to tell them plainly if He is Ha' Mashiyach [The Messiah]. Look at what He tells them. He tells them that the reason they do not believe, is because they are not of His sheep. He does not tell them, that the reason they are not His sheep, is because they do not believe, which is exactly what Christianity teaches:
"And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." John 10:22-30
Did you get that, "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep".
This is where many a serpent hiding in sheep's clothing, in the pulpits of Christianity twist the scripture around, and tell men, "If you want to become one of Jesus's sheep, you have to believe first!"
WRONG!!!!
If you are not one of the sheep, you can never believe~
If you were not predestined unto eternal life you can never believe.
Posted : 15 Sep, 2014 07:57 PM
What is nasty about women "submitting" to their husbands?
What is nasty about men being the head of a woman?
"Wives submit to your husbands as unto the Lord"...?
Is there something wrong with this scripture, to you?
"For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church"..?
Is there something wrong with this scripture to you..?
Most women cannot see through this flowery-mouthed smoke-screen which you are trying to lay down here. You do not trust God in your life at all, and are only trying to con women into thinking that you are this "great champion of woman", when all it is, is smoke and mirrors.
Why, if you are such a mighty man of God, don't you just stand on His word, and refuse to compromise, no matter whether you find a truly godly women on here or not?
Maybe some of these truly godly women, would like to find a real man, who will not treat her like a harlot, and be Christ/Mashiyach to her, as it is written, and encourage her to come out from amongst these vile and wicked women, who refuse to live anything like what is written in the scripture.
I have not ever stated one thing derogatory about one woman. I am talking about ungodly doctrines. Why are you pushing back so hard against virtue and morality? Are you truly on here seeking a moral woman, or to find a woman who is weak, and will fall for this propaganda you are peddling.
Your sugary flowery-mouthed comments, are all that needs be stated about these ungodly women. If a woman can be had with quivering nonsense like this, need I say anything more..?
If you were not predestined unto eternal life you can never believe.
Posted : 16 Sep, 2014 02:09 AM
Again you with your heresies!
For it is by grace you have been saved, through FAITH--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--...
Ephesians 2:8
Romans 3:24
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Romans 9:16
It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
Ephesians 2:5
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
Justification is the legal act where God declares the sinner to be innocent of his or her sins. It is not that the sinner is now sinless, but that he is "declared" sinless. This declaration of righteousness is being justified before God. This justification is based on the shed blood of Jesus, " . . . having now been justified by His blood . . . " (Rom. 5:9) where Jesus was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again (1 Cor. 15:1-4). God imputed (reckoned to our account) the righteousness of Christ at the same time our sins were imputed to Christ when he was on the cross. That is why it says in 1 Pet. 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed." Also, 2 Cor. 5:21 says, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) apart from works of the Law (Rom. 3:28).
Therefore, since we have been justified by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also cobtained access by faith into this grace din which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom.5
May God punish you for spreading heresies among children of God! Amen.
If you were not predestined unto eternal life you can never believe.
Posted : 16 Sep, 2014 07:16 PM
There is no greater heresy than when women trying to teach men, although it is written, "LET YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCHES".. and "I SUFFER NOT THE WOMAN TO TEACH, NOR TO USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN"..
Let me get this straight. No one else on here is getting attacked.
Why is that, if it is written, "All who live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution"...?
Hey, that proves 100% that I am living a godly life, for I am being persecuted!
I am in good company.
"If God were your Father ye would love me"......?
Do the math. Since you do not love me, then God is not your Father..
"I do that which I have seen of my Father, and ye do that which ye have seen of your father". John 8:38
I obey the Word of my Father, and if He were your Father, you'd obey Him as well..
If you were not predestined unto eternal life you can never believe.
Posted : 17 Sep, 2014 04:41 AM
God commands us to love you and we obey but we hate your heresies.
We warned you MANY times that God will not let you go unpunished for these heresies. That is why I agree with God and say: Punish this man, my God Jesus! He is a son of disobedience belonging to a sect/cult which deliberately spread heresies among sons of God. Amen. Amen.
If you were not predestined unto eternal life you can never believe.
Posted : 17 Sep, 2014 04:43 AM
Ponder on this warning to another false prophet:
A WARNING for a false prophet
I address to all who think that they are Christians.
I also share with you a WARNING issued to a false prophet Prince Handley (He deceived about 105,000 Americans!!!!).
Attn. to Prince Handley:
Prince,
I contacted you because I see mistakes in your teaching.
I WARN you if you will not RECONSIDER and correct your mistakes/thinking you will be found guilty by God!
You will NEVER inherit the Kingdom of God!!!
God told you if you change anything in the Book of Prophecy in Revelation you will NEVER inherit the Kingdom of God!!!
I found your mistakes in prophecies related to Revelation and you agreed with me.
Now I WARN you will DIE and PERISH if you will not STOP being the false prophet!!!!
Do you remember how God is going to punish those prophets who prophetize what God did not say? Re-read God's warning below!
If knowing what is RIGHT, and if I will NOT WARN you I will be found guilty by God like you are!!!!
That's why I contacted you.
God is not kidding when He says that teachers and prophets are ACCOUNTABLE for their words and teachings!!!!
You are teaching thousands people what is WRONG!!!! Change your mind and HEART and teaching unless you will PERISH!!!!
I WARN you!
I confront you like God confronts us. He confronts us every day of our life that's why we are ALIVE.
If you will teach what is wrong you will perish.
I warned you that all your prophecies and interpretations should be in compliance to the Revelation.
Because God warns that if you will change anything in His words, related to His prophecies, then He will punish you.
That's why I asked you to reconsider your prophecies and make corrections on your web sites according to the TRUE God's prophecies.
Again you didnt want to respond to me and talk to me. Moreover, you did NOT change anything in your thinking/prophecies, as I see them on your web sites!
One more explanation of my point:
I have seen how many "prophets" in our churches deceive christians saying: "God told me...there are one man who is ill of...."
And these 'prophecies' said to church sounded funny because sometimes no ill people confirmed that they were ill of this illness.
This is one more deception in our churches in the last days. That's why I am asking you to reconsider you all you prophecies which you said and say to christians.
Why?
Because God considers all prophets, saying what God did not say, as the false prophets.
Today I CLEARLY see that you are a false prophet who BOLDLY violate all prophecies of God, DECEIVING people. I tell you that you are a prophet who are making mistakes in your understanding/knowledge of the prophecies of God. Do you do it deliberately? YES. Because I showed you your mistakes and you even agreed with me.
That's why knowing how it is dangerous to say what God did not say, I am kindly asking you to conform to the God's words. Repent and
abandon the false prophecies which you try to prophetize. If you will reconsider all your words/prophecies, correct your mistakes and you will not see anything what is against the God then God will bless you.
The God Jesus addresses to you:
A Warning:
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Jeremiah 23
The Branch of Righteousness
1 �Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!� says the LORD. 2 Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: �You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,� says the LORD. 3 �But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4 I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,� says the LORD.
5 � Behold, the days are coming,� says the LORD,
� That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
A King shall reign and prosper,
And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
6 In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell safely;
Now this is His name by which He will be called:
THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.[a]
7 �Therefore, behold, the days are coming,� says the LORD, �that they shall no longer say, �As the LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,� 8 but, �As the LORD lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.� And they shall dwell in their own land.�
False Prophets and Empty Oracles
9 My heart within me is broken
Because of the prophets;
All my bones shake.
I am like a drunken man,
And like a man whom wine has overcome,
Because of the LORD,
And because of His holy words.
10 For the land is full of adulterers;
For because of a curse the land mourns.
The pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up.
Their course of life is evil,
And their might is not right.
11 � For both prophet and priest are profane;
Yes, in My house I have found their wickedness,� says the LORD.
12 � Therefore their way shall be to them
Like slippery ways;
In the darkness they shall be driven on
And fall in them;
For I will bring disaster on them,
The year of their punishment,� says the LORD.
13 � And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria:
They prophesied by Baal
And caused My people Israel to err.
14 Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem:
They commit adultery and walk in lies;
They also strengthen the hands of evildoers,
So that no one turns back from his wickedness.
All of them are like Sodom to Me,
And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.
15 �Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets:
� Behold, I will feed them with wormwood,
And make them drink the water of gall;
For from the prophets of Jerusalem
Profaneness has gone out into all the land.��
16 Thus says the LORD of hosts:
� Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you.
They make you worthless;
They speak a vision of their own heart,
Not from the mouth of the LORD.
17 They continually say to those who despise Me,
� The LORD has said, �You shall have peace��;
And to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say,
� No evil shall come upon you.��
18 For who has stood in the counsel of the LORD,
And has perceived and heard His word?
Who has marked His word and heard it?
19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD has gone forth in fury�
A violent whirlwind!
It will fall violently on the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the LORD will not turn back
Until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart.
In the latter days you will understand it perfectly.
21 � I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran.
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in My counsel,
And had caused My people to hear My words,
Then they would have turned them from their evil way
And from the evil of their doings.
23 � Am I a God near at hand,� says the LORD,
� And not a God afar off?
24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places,
So I shall not see him?� says the LORD;
� Do I not fill heaven and earth?� says the LORD.
25 �I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, �I have dreamed, I have dreamed!� 26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart, 27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.
28 � The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;
And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat?� says the LORD.
29 � Is not My word like a fire?� says the LORD,
� And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?
30 �Therefore behold, I am against the prophets,� says the LORD, �who steal My words every one from his neighbor. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets,� says the LORD, �who use their tongues and say, �He says.� 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,� says the LORD, �and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all,� says the LORD.
33 �So when these people or the prophet or the priest ask you, saying, �What is the oracle of the LORD?� you shall then say to them, �What oracle?�[b] I will even forsake you,� says the LORD. 34 �And as for the prophet and the priest and the people who say, �The oracle of the LORD!� I will even punish that man and his house. 35 Thus every one of you shall say to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, �What has the LORD answered?� and, �What has the LORD spoken?� 36 And the oracle of the LORD you shall mention no more. For every man�s word will be his oracle, for you have perverted the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God. 37 Thus you shall say to the prophet, �What has the LORD answered you?� and, �What has the LORD spoken?� 38 But since you say, �The oracle of the LORD!� therefore thus says the LORD: �Because you say this word, �The oracle of the LORD!� and I have sent to you, saying, �Do not say, �The oracle of the LORD!�� 39 therefore behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you and forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and will cast you out of My presence. 40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.��
I will tell you MORE:
Examine yourself today! One of the deceptions of the last time in our churches is "fake tongues" when people pretend to speak in tongues and even deceive Christians, assuring them that they also speak in tongues and prohetize but in fact it is NOT so. Because if you pretend to speak in tongues and God did NOT give any tongue to you and you even DECEIVE other Christians in churches, saying that you and they speak in tongues, then BE READY for God's JUDGMENT. He will judge you soon for ANY word which you said in 'your tongues' on BEHALF of God! It is the same as false prophecies!
It is the same as a sin of false prophecies! And if you are guilty of it, it means that God will judge you as a FALSE prophet too.
His Judgment is approaching you! Repent AND STOP ANY MADNESS! Confess all your sins to God and TRY to survive His WRATH against your sins/His Judgment!
Those who pretend to be Christians, I am WARNING you that Prince has deceived thousands of Americans! Are you among them?!
If you were not predestined unto eternal life you can never believe.
Posted : 17 Sep, 2014 06:39 AM
"Hey, that proves 100% that I am living a godly life, for I am being persecuted!"
I don't think that logic applies very well. If you're being persecuted for spreading the gospel, or for living like Christ, then yes, I would say you're being persecuted for God. However, "disagreement over a doctrinal issue" makes light of real persecution. Using that logic, I could also claim persecution anytime you disagree with me and call me an unbeliever.
