Why didn't the Apostle baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
Posted : 13 Sep, 2014 12:05 PM
Why didn't the Apostle baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
*** Don�t know�thats a good question...
Many speculate that the Catholics added the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the bible to try to give others an understanding of who God is.
*** Ya�many do speculate all kinds of stuff about the Catholics�
Well interestingly enough, in Acts NO ONE was baptized under those three names, they were baptized ONLY in Jesus Christ name.
*** Hummm�Lets take a look at some Scriptures in some of the other NT books as well as Acts about Baptisim�
Jesus speaking ~
Mat 28:19 (KJV)
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
*** In all the Texts preserved and available Jesus is recorded as saying this and it is Found in the Greek Manuscripts which the majority of the NT is written in and found in many Biblical Web/Study Sites�
Jesus speaking ~
Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
*** In this part of the Scriptures Jesus had yet to Baptized by John the Baptist or Receive the Holy Spirit as in Mat 3:16, Mar 1:10, Luk 3:22, John 1:32. �The Dove� representing the Holy Spirit�
Jesus speaking ~
John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
*** I wondered why Jesus didn�t Baptize�then I remembered He is Tri-Un GOD�It is His Divine Spirit that is Poured out and Falls upon�He hadn�t Ascended to Heaven yet�and He said He�d send a Helper / Comforter / John 14:16,26, John 15:26, John 16:7
Peter speaking ~
Acts � Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
*** Since Jesus is God�which name would Peter be referring to ?...God has Many names�Each one pertains to His Character who He is and what He does�
Name - G3686 �noma � name; (figuratively) the manifestation or revelation of someone's character, i.e. as distinguishing them from all others. Thus "praying in the name of Christ" means to pray as directed (authorized) by Him, bringing revelation that flows out of being in His presence. "Praying in Jesus' name" therefore is not a "religious formula" just to end prayers (or get what we want)!
["According to Hebrew notions, a name is inseparable from the person to whom it belongs, i.e. it is something of his essence. Therefore, in the case of the God, it is especially sacred" (Souter).]
Philip ~
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
*** They believed Philip about the Kingdom of God and the name of Jesus the Christ�What did they believe about the name Jesus ? Must be in reference to Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved�.Ya�that�s it�
Acts 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
*** This is very interesting�They had not received the Holy Spirit yet�So is the Baptism of Jesus the Water Baptism of Repentance as John did ???...I put my finger to my check and say�Hummmmmm�. :0)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
*** Guess this verse answered my question�
Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
*** Scripture doesn�t say whose name Paul was Baptized in. Maybe the person recording this forgot to mention it or it wasn't very important to the events or it was done on purpose...Dang !!!...Speculation can drive a person Coo~Coo...:laugh:
Peter Speaking ~
Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
*** AMAZING !!!...The Holy Spirit fell on them which Heard the Word�then in vs. 47 John�s Water Baptism for Remission of Sins hadn�t been done yet. Must be important or Peter wouldn�t have said this�So this must be referring to Water Baptism in Jesus name for Remission of Sins�Makes me think��Purification��
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
*** I know a lil about a lot and a lot about a lil�and 1 thing I know for sure�is Yahshua�Yeshua�y�shua�aka JESUS* name is Mighty and Powerful�Whatever we Pray�Ask�Do�Speak in HIS name is Powerful�it is the Name Above all Names!!! (PHL 2:9)
Peter speaking ~
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
*** AMAZING !!!...the Holy Spirit fell on them when Peter spoke�
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
*** Recalling what Jesus said about Baptism of Water and also Holy Spirit�both must be important or Peter wouldn�t have recalled this�
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
*** Reading this causes me to ponder and know in my heart��what was I, that I could withstand God?�
Paul speaking ~
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
**** Hummmmm
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
*** Now one might wonder that Water Baptism isn�t about Baptism in the Name of the LORD Jesus�Kinda confusing huh ???
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
*** Paul laid hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit�this is different than Peter speaking and the Holy Spirit fell on them�
*** Water Baptism remission of sins 1st and then 2nd Laying on of hands and they received the Holy Spirit�One does it one way and the other another way�Maybe it doesn�t matter to Abba much what way it is done as long as it is done�
Ananias speaking ~
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
*** Interesting that in the previous verses which come before this one Paul was already Laying hands on people and He had yet to be baptized in Water for the Remission of Sins�and even more interesting that Ananias says� �calling on the name of the Lord.�
Paul speaking ~
1 Cor 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
*** Maybe some people believe this is proof the Baptism in the name of the Father Son Holy Spirit was added or shouldn�t be done. However we must remember to look at Matthew and Remember that it is the Earliest and First Book written Chronologically of the New Testament 40 � 45 A.D.
Jesus speaking ~
Mat 28:19 (KJV)
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
*** In all the Texts available Jesus is recorded as saying this�And it is recorded in the Greek Manuscripts which the Majority of the NT is�
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
*** It�s the Spirit�which is Holy that we ALL are Baptized into ONE BODY�and becoming One NEW Man !!! YIIIPPPPYYYYYY!!!!!! :0)
*** Let�s look at some definitions of the Words�Father�Son�Holy Spirit�so we may better understand the importance of Words and Meanings�
G3962 /patḗr ("father") is used of our heavenly Father. He imparts life, from physical birth to the gift of eternal life through the second birth (regeneration, being born again). Through ongoing sanctification, the believer more and more resembles their heavenly Father � i.e. each time they receive faith from Him and obey it, which results in their unique glorification.
Son ~ G5207 - Definition: a son, descendent.
5207 hyi�s � properly, a son (by birth or adoption); (figuratively) anyone sharing the same nature as their Father. For the believer, becoming a son of God begins with being reborn (adopted) by the heavenly Father � through Christ (the work of the eternal Son). In the NT, 5207 /hyi�s ("son") equally refers to female believers (Gal 3:28).
4151 pne�ma � properly, spirit (Spirit), wind, or breath. The most frequent meaning (translation) of 4151 (pne�ma) in the NT is "spirit" ("Spirit"). Only the context however determines which sense(s) is meant.
[Any of the above renderings (spirit-Spirit, wind, breath) of 4151 (pne�ma) is always theoretically possible (spirit, Spirit, wind, breath). But when the attributive adjective ("holy") is used, it always refers to the Holy Spirit. "Spirit" ("spirit") is by far the most common translation (application) of 4151 (pne�ma).
*** Well�form all this I figured out that as long as a person is Baptized in water for remission of Sins and then Receive the Holy Spirit�or Receive the Holy Spirit and be Baptized in Water for remission of Sins they gonna be A~OK !!!....
Why didn't the Apostle baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
Posted : 13 Sep, 2014 01:51 PM
Hebrews 6 (NKJV)
The Peril of Not Progressing
1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.
I do believe that all translations of the bibles were tampered with and that the father the son and the holy spirit is not accurate
Why didn't the Apostle baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
Posted : 13 Sep, 2014 04:58 PM
:laugh:...I find it interesting when giving Scripture that is verified to be in the Greek Manuscripts is Rejected as being Tampered with�
Mat 28:19 (KJV)
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
*** Shared ~
Hebrews 6 (NKJV)
The Peril of Not Progressing
1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.
*** InfiniteLightBeing (ILB) for short asked the question �Why didn't the Apostle baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?� and when given some food for thought and discussion now wants to change the discussion to its about we are not progressing ??? Wouldn't it be better to finish the original discussion before moving to another topic ?
Shared ~ I do believe that all translations of the bibles were tampered with and that the father the son and the holy spirit is not accurate
*** Since you are coming from a Atheist perspective I can understand why you believe this. I know that some �Translations� do not include Verses that others do because they are not found in the �Original Texts��however Mat 28:19 is in the �Original Greek Texts��and Is the Earliest and First Book written Chronologically of the New Testament 40 � 45 A.D. Since Jesus is GOD�He is the Father�the SON�the Holy Spirit�Since an Atheist doesn�t believe in GOD it probably wouldn�t make much difference to them either way IMHO.
Why didn't the Apostle baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
Posted : 13 Sep, 2014 11:11 PM
If you actually walked the land where you dug up the Greek bible yourself and then decipher it, translate it to English, and present it to the world, I'll believe you...
The bible made to control the masses. Some things are accurate others are not. Like for instance, lets say the anti christ will rise soon, why would the anti christ or the beast be so dumb to mark us exactly the way the bible said he would? Why would God regret making man if He's all knowing? Why did God call those disfigured since birth unholy or not welcomed in His temple because they were considered profane in His eyes?
Why do Christians have sects and denominations when sectarianism is wrong according to the bible?
We have an enemy out there and you don't think he'll or whoever will try to outsmart you. They want you dead and you think they'll give it away how it will happen in a book?
If you believe like they do, 500,000,000 million should only live on this earth, of course tell Christians that one day they may have to die for what they believe so when that time comes, depopulation, more likely they won't put up a fight.
Right now, a bogus scientist can create some bones and give it some bizarre name and people will be ooing and ahhing. Get some old scrolls and write, scribble, or whatever, say oh this is ancient blah and blah, and people would go ooooo. Why are their so many different religions? Because believe it or not, someone in most religions kill and will kill for what they believe. Religion is death. What people experience is a change of heart and mind, the spiritual aspects of it comes from God but not the God we are trained to know. Why are they keeping the real truth from us? Money...if we reached are full potential in God or Christ there wouldn't be a need for many things so many desperately hold on to for survival on this miserable planet
Why didn't the Apostle baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
Posted : 13 Sep, 2014 11:44 PM
500 million, they believe that's all the earth can provide for and if your into science like me you'll know that this earth is dying....2.2 billion people are Christians...how can someone get rid of 6.4 billion people...
That is something I highly doubt is possible
Some say it's all conspiracy, I really hope so, six years of studying and researching, i hope it's all a lie
Out of every thing I've have researched, the most unsettling finds are dreams people have that were similar to my reoccurring dreams. Certain movies make me wonder....are they preparing us for war in a fashion we don't even recognize?
This war is about money but highly possibly they'll disguise it as a religious one...this international order is deemed beneficial for all mankind...those compliant and those who will die
Why didn't the Apostle baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
Posted : 14 Sep, 2014 08:15 PM
Very well sweet child...You've made your mind up already and I can tell you really don't want to continue the conversation concerning your question asked in original post...thats ok...I understand you have alot to say about alot subects that you have questions about or are concerned about. It just makes it easier for everyone here to focus on one topic at a time in a post.
May the Eternal GOD of the universe reveal Himself to you...Blessings... X <>< O
