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Admin	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 21 Jan, 2014 03:48 PM Hello everyone: Throughout this year people will be dunked in water and have these words pronounced ' I baptize you,in the name of the father,and the son and the holy Spirit',welcome to the family of GOD. This SOUNDS good,yet this is not what this Scripture is teaching the believers in Messiah Yeshua. This allso is not teaching believers they have to be living a disciplined life. Mat 28:19 Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the completion of the age. Amen. IF we could,let us study this Scripture being diligent to use Concordances- Strongs and Thayers; A Bible dictionary,Greek Interlinear and other helps in order to piece together what Messiah has said to the Body of Believers. Then we shall be surprised to find that being a disciple does not mean to be dunked in water. Shalom Post Reply
View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 21 Jan, 2014 06:21 PM Acts 8:34-39 (NKJV) 34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, �I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?� 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36 Now as they went down the road, [[[ they came to some water. ]]] And the eunuch said, [[[ �See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?� ]]] 37 Then Philip said, �If you believe with all your heart, you may.� And he answered and said, �I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.�[a] 38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch [[[ went (down into) the water, and he baptized him. 39 Now when they came (up out of) the water, ]]] the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Footnotes: a.Acts 8:37 NU-Text and M-Text omit this verse. It is found in Western texts, including the Latin tradition. X <>< O Post Reply
View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 21 Jan, 2014 07:06 PM I don't think this is about water baptism at all. The word baptism means to immerse but also means to submerge, as a ship that is sunken and will not rise to the surface. I believe this passage means to disciple people by submerging them in to the nature and character of Jesus Christ. (The word 'name' means the character and nature of something.) Water baptism is a representation of this submersion. In this case the process of making disciples is to teach them everything about living their lives within the nature and character of Christ Jesus. To be as sensitive to the leading of Spirit as He was. To know the Father as He did. How else would they be doing greater things than He did? (Jn 14:12) Most passages in the New Testament that refer to baptism are not references to water baptism. It is important to understand the context and discern the difference. Post Reply
View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 22 Jan, 2014 03:06 AM Hi SBD; Ding ding ding, we have a winner here folks. Absolutely,being a disciple means to being a LEARNER of Messiah Yehsua. We are to be immersing people INTO the NAME(S) of GOD Almighty,for in GODS names,He has revealed who He is and shows what He is like.And ALL of the Character,Attitude,Personality,and Life of GOD Almighty is revealed to us in Messiah Yeshua. Jonh_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; What we need is to be teaching people How to read abd study the Word of GOD,and teach how to translate the Word . Shalom Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 23 Jan, 2014 06:23 AM John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 3 13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Mark 1:9-10 9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: Mark 16:16 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 1 Peter 3 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him. Acts 22:16 16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Colossians 2:12 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 1 Corinthians 10:1-2 10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea 2 Kings 5 11 But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the Lord his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper. 12 Are not Abana and Pharpar, rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? may I not wash in them, and be clean? So he turned and went away in a rage. 13 And his servants came near, and spake unto him, and said, My father, if the prophet had bid thee do some great thing, wouldest thou not have done it? how much rather then, when he saith to thee, Wash, and be clean? 14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean. Just a simple "do as Jesus did" should answer this, but I think there is a multitude of literary evidence that baptism by submersion in water is what the bible is talking about. After Jesus's death, the apostles were baptizing people in water. There is no reason to think otherwise, and it's not a hard thing to do. We need to do what God tells us to do. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 23 Jan, 2014 11:37 PM DHTM, We're not saying the Bible doesn't talk about water baptism. It just isn't talking about it every time the word baptism is used. The church has turned the word baptism into something that means being immersed in water every time it is used but it is an inaccurate use of the word. Furthermore. when we see the translation written as "baptized in the name of" The word translated as "in" should actually be "into". Also note that "in the name of" is an indication of the authority of, as in "in the name of the law". People were being baptized by the disciples in the authority given them by Jesus. Or they were baptizing them into the nature and character of Jesus through discipleship. Another point is that in most cases the church is not teaching baptism accurately. The practice of making the statement," I baptize you in the name of the Father , Son and Holy Spirit" is completely non-Biblical. There is no directive in the Bible to say such a thing when water Baptizing. Being water baptized and being baptized into the name of Jesus are two different things and the Bible definitely distinguishes between them. It takes understanding the difference and correctly interpreting the context and intent of the passages that are about baptism. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 24 Jan, 2014 05:19 AM I understand that, after reading the OP again I think I misunderstood the intent in this: "Then we shall be surprised to find that being a disciple does not mean to be dunked in water." Being a disciple does mean you're dunked in the water, except for maybe instances like the thief on the cross(extenuating circumstances), all the disciples were dunked in the water. They were also obedient in the rest of commands of Jesus, etc. It just sounded like he was separating/belittling one of them, but I think I read too much into it. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 24 Jan, 2014 04:24 PM Hi DHTM: Thank you for your reply: I would like to say that the authority of the INDIVIDUAL believer has been usurped by the so called pastor-senior pastor-reverend-etc. The believers are to disciple one another not just one man. The believers are to be are to be contributing to their meeting together by bringing psalms,hymns,spiritual songs,tongues and interpretation,revelation and the like. The so called clergy has stolen the priviledges of the body and do not want the body to know the authority they have whenever they meet. And the believers are to be dunking one another,the so called pastor does this as though it is not official unless he does the dunking. If the body of believers had known that they have been deceived all these years by charlatans they would run them out of town. Did you know there are at least 25 Scriptures which encourage believers to 'ONE ANOTHER,ONE ANOTHER', These Scriptures do not say ' for pastors only'. Shalom Just venting a little. Post Reply
View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 24 Jan, 2014 10:00 PM Hi DHTM: Anyone one that has a problem with the gift of Pastor has a problem with Jesus as lord. Thank you for your reply: I would like to say that the authority of the INDIVIDUAL believer has been usurped by the so called pastor-senior pastor-reverend-etc. The believers are to disciple one another not just one man. The believers are to be are to be contributing to their meeting together by bringing psalms,hymns,spiritual songs,tongues and interpretation,revelation and the like. In the past you have said you do not believe in the gift of the holy ghost, there is no application as above as you state. The so called clergy has stolen the priviledges of the body and do not want the body to know the authority they have whenever they meet. And the believers are to be dunking one another,the so called pastor does this as though it is not official unless he does the dunking. George you have an agenda, and it is not good If the body of believers had known that they have been deceived all these years by charlatans they would run them out of town. Again your agenda Did you know there are at least 25 Scriptures which encourage believers to 'ONE ANOTHER,ONE ANOTHER', These Scriptures do not say ' for pastors only'. Post Reply
View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 25 Jan, 2014 03:30 PM Hey truth: No agenda,just speaking the truth. Why do people think a person has an agenda just because that person speaks truth? Shalom Post Reply
View Profile History	Matthew 28:18-19 Is this Scripture really about dunking a person in water ??? Posted : 25 Jan, 2014 08:17 PM IT is good to stand for truth but I have not seen where you have done that. Any man that walks with the lord knows Jesus would not approve of any you have had to say. The one that saved me is very particular about his word and being accurate in representing. Post Reply