A question for those whom believe in themselves for salvation????
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 09:51 AM
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be God, and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which hath blessed us, with all spiritual blessing in heavenly things in Christ,
4 As he hath chosen us in him, before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy, and without blame before him in love:
5 Who hath predestinated us, to be adopted through Jesus Christ in himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
6 To the]praise of the glory of his grace, wherewith he hath made us freely accepted in his beloved.
7 By whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins, according to his rich grace:
8 Whereby he hath been abundant toward us in all wisdom and understanding,
9 And hath opened unto us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he hath purposed in him,
10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of the times, he might gather together in one all things, both which are in heaven, and which are in earth, even in Christ:
11 In whom also we are chosen when we were predestinated according to the purpose of him, which worketh all things after the counsel of his own will,
12 That we, which first trusted in Christ, should be unto the praise of his glory:
13 In whom also ye have trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, even the Gospel of your salvation, wherein also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with the holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance, for the redemption of that liberty purchased unto the praise of his glory.
15 Therefore also after that I heard of the faith, which ye have in the Lord Jesus, and love toward all the Saints,
16 I cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers,
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, that Father of glory, might give unto you the Spirit of wisdom, and revelation through the knowledge of him,
18 That the eyes of your understanding may be lightened, that ye may know what the [an]hope is of his calling, and what the riches of his glorious inheritance is in the Saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us, which believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and domination, and every Name, that is named, not in this world only, but also in that that is to come,
22 And hath made all things subject under his feet, and hath given him over all things to be the head to the Church,
23 Which is his body, even the fullness of him that filleth all in all things.
After reading Pauls letter to the Ephesians, how do you deny God's sovereign choice of his elect?
A question for those whom believe in themselves for salvation????
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 11:53 AM
@dljrn04
If we take the meaning of "whosoever will may come " out of Jn.3:16 we make God to be a liar
It is not a conflict of God's sovereignty and that no one comes to Jesus without FIRST being called by God.......... but as Paul said "every man in his own order"
The Greek word being used for "order" descibes legions of soldiers where each man appeared in their own order and not in the order (group) in front of them nor in the group behind the order they were selected by their commander to be in.
God is our commander, and as the Bible says every knee will bow but each man in his own order (as called by God). This is why the workers in the field were all given the same wages despite the differences of time in the field (becasue it is not our fault others were called before us nor the fault of others we were called before them).
However, for us to turn our back when we are called and choose to run the race on our time is to go against your predestinated time and risk being passed over
I can only speak for myself but time came when I knew despite all the grace I had been given and the prayers of many made for me, I had reached the end of the time to come to Him......... either I came then or the door would be shut and no amount of crying would cause Him to open it for me again
Revelation 3:7
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
All of us here in this forum are in the day of our calling. should we refuse so great a salvation, He may refuse us and no amount of predestination is going to save us
A question for those whom believe in themselves for salvation????
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 12:02 PM
This sums it up the answer to your question:
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Cor 4:3
CDFF has been an interesting experiment for me in many ways. I have had the chance to interact w/ people of many different faiths here. This site, much like the US is seeped in religious pluralism. That is, there are all kinds of religions and gods being promoted and worshiped here under the umbrella of Christianity. Even the majority of those who *might* actually believe some of the truth in the Bible are at best religious syncretists. Yes, that is my conclusion and it's also a scathing indictment against the majority of the members here. Please, feel free to ban me again for telling the truth.
How many times has the truth been posted here in this forum? God surely has been longsuffering just like He was with O.T. Israel.
The Bible says, "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all"
If you are not part of that body, that Spirit, that hope, that Lord, that faith, that baptism, that God and Father of all, then you are NONE of His. God does not give "different truths" to "different people". There is only ONE Truth. Two contrary views cannot both be right......nor can they both be accepted, respected, honored, justified, etc. etc.
Undoubtedly, the floor is still being swept here for those few lost coins that are deceived by the FALSE religions and FALSE worship of the Catholics, Charismatics, Pentecostals, Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, 7th Day Adventists, etc. The call continues to go out to them -- "Come out of her MY people, that ye be not partaker of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Your works will NOT save you.
A question for those whom believe in themselves for salvation????
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 01:21 PM
Well, I would assume that this post would be directed at someone like me, but I do not believe I have any part in my salvation even though I believe in free will.
@IWA Nobody gets banned for speaking truth. People are banned for abusing the forum rules, which include "Obscenity, Inappropriate Language or Insults". Many people aren't banned who should be, but I have never seen anyone get banned that didn't earn it. In this post you listed my denomination negatively, but I do not feel insulted as you managed to keep a civil tone in the post. That is not always the case, and while I wish you would stop putting yourself in the situation where people feel the need to report you, you did deserve to get banned every time I have seen it happen. Maybe not more than someone else, but that's beside the point.
A question for those whom believe in themselves for salvation????
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 02:28 PM
DHTM Said
@IWA Nobody gets banned for speaking truth. People are banned for abusing the forum rules, which include "Obscenity, Inappropriate Language or Insults". Many people aren't banned who should be, but I have never seen anyone get banned that didn't earn it. In this post you listed my denomination negatively, but I do not feel insulted as you managed to keep a civil tone in the post. That is not always the case, and while I wish you would stop putting yourself in the situation where people feel the need to report you, you did deserve to get banned every time I have seen it happen. Maybe not more than someone else, but that's beside the point."
Zebra could have listed a few thousand denominations more and still been very accurate about the truth missing for the church today......... meanwhile we have enough posts in this section of the forum already pointing to the strife going on here without corrupting yet another thread with it........... fair enough?
A question for those whom believe in themselves for salvation????
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 02:36 PM
Doug,
This is a spiritual battle. It is not going to end any time soon. This forum (just like the churches) are filled with the twin towers of "spiritual" humanism -- Arminianism and Antinomianism. They pervert both the law and the gospel.
A question for those whom believe in themselves for salvation????
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 05:28 PM
John 14:23,25: Jesus says, "If anyone loves Me, He will OBEY MY TEACHING. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him....All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My Name will REMIND YOU OF EVERTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU !"
Acts 17:11: Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the SCRIPTURES *EVERY DAY*!!
James 1:22,25: Do not merely listen to the Word, and so deceive yourselves. **DO WHAT IT SAYS!!
God's born again saints don't to memorize the Westminster Confession or Calvin's Instuitues. They just need to read God's Word and then DO WHAT IT SAYS!!!!
Matthew 28:19,20: Jesus commands, "Make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commanded you."
I John 2:3-5: We know we have come to know Him {Jesus} **IF** we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar and the truth is not in him. But **IF** anyone obeys His Word, God's love is truly made complete in him.
THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, �All authority in heaven and on *EARTH has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!�
Ephesians 4:11-16: It was He {Jesus} who gives some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.... Speaking the Truth in **LOVE**, we will in all things grow up into Him, who is the Head, that is Christ. From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament grows and builds itself up in **LOVE**, as each part does its work!
2 Timothy 3:16; 4:2: All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God my be thoroughly equipped for every good work...**PREACH THE WORD**; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
Acts 17:11: Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the SCRIPTURES *EVERY DAY*!!
James 1:22: Do not merely listen to the Word, and so deceive yourselves. **DO WHAT IT SAYS*...But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, *BUT DOING IT*--he will be blessed in what he does!!
READ GOD'S WORD DAILY AND THEN DO WHAT IT SAYS!!
Psalm 119 has 176 verses praising the Word of God. The Old Testament had 613 laws and the New Covenant of Jesus and His love has about 400 commands of LOVE which Psalm 119 also applies to. Some of my favorite verses is Psalm 119 are:
119:105: Your Word is a Lamp to my feet and a Light for my path.
119:97: Oh how I love your law, I meditate on it all day long.
119:148: My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I meditate on your promises.
119:164: Seven times a day I praise you for your righteous laws.
119:169: Give me understanding according to your Word.
119:2: Blessed are those who keep His statues and seek Him with all your heart.
119:11: I have hidden your Word in my heart that I might not sin against You.
Deuteronomy 4:2: God says, "Do not *ADD* to what I command you and do not *SUBTRACT* from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you!!"
Deut 18:17-19: The Lord says, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them evereything I command Him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My Name, I Myself will call Him to account."
John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "If anyone loves Me, He will obey My teaching. My Father will love Him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me will not obey My teaching.
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the words of this prophecy of this Book: If anyone *ADDS* anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL HELL**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."
I Peter 1:23-25: You have been born again.. through the Living and Enduring Word of God. All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the Word that was preached to you.
A question for those whom believe in themselves for salvation????
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 07:29 PM
@prophetic774
You can no more be obedient to God than Jews are who have been trying to fulfill the Law of God ever since it was first given to Moses
The only way a "Christian" can be obedient "through God" is through by first learning to die (as in crucified with Christ) therefore living only through the Holy Spirit given to persons who have attended Pentecost and consequently had the laws of God written on their hearts. (Gal.2:20) BTW Pentecost is when the law is given to us
Not for me to question whether or not these laws have been written on your heart, (or not) however, being as you are continaually overly adamant in this forum against the "supervision of the law," as you call it (to describe it in your own words) are these the same laws that are written on your heart?
