Why our society hurts people born NOT attracted to the opposite sex?
Posted : 12 Dec, 2013 06:19 PM
Does God love everyone? In short, YES!
Now the 1st question... Jesus defines a man not attracted to the opposite sex or not meant to marry as a Eunuch -- Matthew 19:12
Daniel the prophet is probably the best example of a eunuch in the bible that was a eunuch from his youth.
Paul often talks about having a brotherly love for one another... 1 Thessalonians 4:9 & Romans 12:10
Some people are born as eunuchs, and unfortunately our society only has 2 real options for them -- stay in the closet or go in LGBT community, and now same-sex marriage. However, none of those options are acceptable to God or beneficial for the person...
Society perverts the inherent brotherly or sisterly love that a eunuch is born with that is designed to enhance their ability to minister/serve God and only offers a fleshly explanation for their feelings... Paul says that we must live after the spirit and not the flesh to please God. (Romans 8:4-14)
If our society and leaders were more grounded in Christ they would already have an established infrastructure for these special individuals in the body of Christ just like Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego instead of a quick "fix" founded in the flesh."
If only our leaders had the mind of Christ, they would define the issue better...
Isa 56:3 Let no foreigner who has bound himself to Yahweh say, �He will surely exclude me from his people.� And let not any eunuch complain, �I am only a dry tree.� 4 For this is what Elohim says: �To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant� 5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off.
Why our society hurts people born NOT attracted to the opposite sex?
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 07:13 PM
Dear brother in Christ
There is more than just a file line between the differences of being a eunuch versus being a "normal man" practicing celibacy.
Simply put eunuchs were physically incapable of having sex, therefore eunuchs in the Bible were trusted with both wives and women who made up the concubine.
On the other hand men who attempt to practice celibacy through trying to overcome their natural God given desire to become one with the opposite sex are similar to the vows taken by those within the catholic denomination who believe they have been called to be priests for God unto His children............ the same ones who are often known to fail drastically to keep their vows, and are no different in their failures than evangelical pastors are who are sleeping with multiple persons including men.
I have been practicing celibacy for a number of years but am in no way a eunuch.
Why our society hurts people born NOT attracted to the opposite sex?
Posted : 13 Dec, 2013 08:23 PM
I think you are talking about the virgin� one of my sisters is in her late 50�sand she has been made fun of for being a virgin. And I have a friend in her 40�s that gets teased because of it. They are virgins because they are dedicated Christians. I respect them more that people like me who have had sex and now don�t. Because they have withstood the pressure to be faithful not had to learn from hard lessons to find out faithful is the right way from the beginning. I think their cost more!
Why our society hurts people born NOT attracted to the opposite sex?
Posted : 14 Dec, 2013 12:27 PM
The "dry tree" quoted in Isaiah that God is talking about goes for both men and women that will not have children due to being eunuchs. There are 3 types of eunuchs... Some eunuchs are born that way, some are made that way by men (these are the ones that cannot physically have sex Doug), and some choose never to marry for the kingdom of God (for example Paul's preference 1Co 7:7).
I am specifically talking about those born that way. This has nothing to do with virginity or NOT being able to function. It is God's explanation for people not born to marry.
Jesus said people would have a problem with this apparent unfairness or reality, but nevertheless he also said whoever can accept my words let them accept them.
God knows that being "born" a eunuch is not a life that many would find fair. He himself even indicates this, by saying that any Eunuch that follows his ways will have a name "above a son or daughter". So they must endure more than the average child of God, but the reward is also greater.
Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Why our society hurts people born NOT attracted to the opposite sex?
Posted : 14 Dec, 2013 02:06 PM
dmaxwel1 said
......."The "dry tree" quoted in Isaiah that God is talking about goes for both men and women that will not have children due to being eunuchs. There are 3 types of eunuchs... Some eunuchs are born that way, some are made that way by men (these are the ones that cannot physically have sex Doug), and some choose never to marry for the kingdom of God (for example Paul's preference 1Co 7:7).
I am specifically talking about those born that way. This has nothing to do with virginity or NOT being able to function. It is God's explanation for people not born to marry.
Jesus said people would have a problem with this apparent unfairness or reality, but nevertheless he also said whoever can accept my words let them accept them.
God knows that being "born" a eunuch is not a life that many would find fair. He himself even indicates this, by saying that any Eunuch that follows his ways will have a name "above a son or daughter". So they must endure more than the average child of God, but the reward is also greater.
Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.......... "
Doug says........
Your comparing apples with oranges brother........
Regarding trees: God sees us as trees in the Bible (good fruit or bad fruit) and we are compared to trees throughout the Bible. This is why when the blind man when he had only the pure DNA of Jesus (who is God incarnate) spit in his eye said, "I see men as trees walking," because he saw us as God sees us. So then Jesus muddies up the man's vision by adding some "earth" to the spit and then the man sees as a man sees because of the mud in his eye rather than the heavenly vision he first received from the pure DNA of Jesus
Maybe this will help with the rest?
Q, Where did Jesus say the kingdom (the same kingdom that some will be eunuchs for) of heaven is located at?
A. The kingdom of heaven is within us and what is within us is the spirit (male) and soul (female)
1. All of mankind is made up of three parts that are the spirit and soul, and body that appear together as one. The spirit and soul within us is the real person and body is just an "earthen vessel".
2. The spirit of man can only produce the soul (essentially the mind) of man, and the spirit and soul of man is an unclean spirit and soul because it is contaminated by sin and cannot ever become a virgin anymore than anyone who has lost their virginity ever become a virgin again.
On the other hand the Holy Spirit given unto those who have been through the baptism of the Holy Spirit when the Word of God (Christ the seed) takes root in us and begins to grow, is a male spirit who is the virgin spoken of when Christians are referred to as virgins whether "foolish virgins" (Pentecostal only anointing) or "wise virgins" with the extra oil ration coming from them receiving the blessing of Tabernacles when the oil from the olives is harvested and given to those in attendance.
A Pentecostal anointing is needed to get the Holy Spirit baptism but it is not sufficient and only those who continue to progress and go into Tabernacles feast get this additional anointing and become no longer "dry trees". Because these christians chose to become eunuchs (remain virgins) by not becoming one with the woman (the same woman who is today�s church who was contaminating the dough with leaven until it was all leavened as in ruined) are the ones who have become eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom. They are the ones who have obeyed the call from Jesus to come out of Babylon who is the modern day church who resembles nothing of the church back when the apostles were at the helm
They are not to "marry" until the receive the "bride" adorned for her husband already on earth (those with Holy Spirit who have maintained their virginity aka become eunuchs) seen coming down from heaven to earth in Rev.21;2,3 where see it called the tabernacle of God because the soul of God (mind of Christ who has all the knowledge of God) is in harmony with God allowing God to work miracles through those with the mind of Christ. (Mind aka Soul of Christ is the blessings of Tabernacles because the soul of Christ is the tabernacle for the Holy Spirit of God).
Hopefully this sheds a little light on who makes up the 144,000 virgins
This, my brother in Christ is what becoming a eunuch for the kingdom of God is all about. Please pray about it and ask for wisdom rather than simply refuse it because as Jesus has said "only some can receive it". For sure becoming a eunuch for God has nothing to do with a persons sex life on earth, and both persons of a married couple who have sex 5 days out of 7 can become eunuchs for the kingdom of God.
