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Posted : 20 Nov, 2013 09:47 AM

My question is...

how did he gain entrance to the wedding of the SON of God in the first place?

And what is a wedding garment?



My answer: Righteousness....imputed by His Son...:angel:





Look at that:

Jewish Wedding:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUGOUY8MNo



One man said: "righteous yes...

But how did the unrighteous man sneak into the wedding (without a garment) in the first place... only to be kicked out?



I am still trying to see how that fits."



Some of names of Christians will be BLOTTED out from the Book of Life...the Holy Scripture says...



Can you list THOSE who do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God?



Ok I thought that some people here are able to list those who does NOT inherit the Kingdom of God but no one did it. Ok.

I will do that:

(1) unbelievers

(2) "dogs"

(3) those who practice magic arts

(4) the sexually immoral (of any kind and female prostitute or of a male prostitute, adulterers..etc)

(5) the idolaters

(6) murderers of children (and abortionists) and murderers of other people

(7)liars (everyone who loves and practices falsehood)

(8) sinners (wrongdoers)

(9) sodomites

(10) fornicators

(11) homosexuals

(12) adulterers

(13) thieves

(14) covetous

(15) drunkards

(16) revilers

(17) extortioners

(18) slanderer

(19) greedy

(20) swindler



And those who practice:

(21) lewdness

(22) sorcery

(23) hatred

(24) contentions

(25) jealousies

(26) outbursts of wrath

(27) selfish ambitions

(28) dissensions

(29) heresies

(30) envy

(31) murders

(32) revelries

(33) ...and the like



Those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God!





Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.





1 Corinthians 6:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.



1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.



Galatians 5

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.





Who then will get to the Kingdom of God? Sons of God born by Him!

They have the FRUITS of the HOLY SPIRIT in their lives:



22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ�s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Gal 5

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2013 09:48 AM

The CONTEXT:

Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son...



The TEXT

Mat 22:8-13 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

(9) Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

(10) So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

(11) And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

(12) And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

(13) Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth..

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2013 04:28 PM

IMO you have made a good point and the following is my 2 cents worth



In the Bible marriage is defined as when "two become one". However for two to walk hand in hand they must be alike, or in other words when two became the same such as when Jesus said when you saw Him you saw the Father.



So lets consider the parable of the seed and the sower where many never produce any fruit whatsoever, however, of those who do produce fruit only the '100 fold' become the same as the one who sowed the seed (The original tree of life who is Jesus Christ).



Then there is the parable of the wise versus the foolish virgins........ They are all "virgins" meaning they all have the Holy Spirit that is a spirit without sin. Unfortunately the foolish ones only have the Pentecostal anointing because they have not yet acquired the Tabernacles anointing of the additional oil made available from the fruit harvest. These virgins are told to go seek more oil (additional anointing) such as our example seen in David who was anointed three times) when #1 first anointed as a child (Passover) #2 given the baptism of the Holy Spirit through Pentecost when we are given the power to become sons of God through "Christ the seed in us" bringing forth a new life by taking root in us and is our "hope of glory". #3. Becoming a fully sanctified and manifested son of God the same as the apostles were no longer serving the flesh but instead have become 100 fold overcomers in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ aka "elders".



Writing about the linen garments worn by the High Priests that are the 'white robes of righteousness aka our wedding gowns IMO would require more than could be properly said in the context of one post (IMO)



Blessings to you,

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2013 12:50 AM

Your Wedding



Brothers,



A certain man held a feast on His fine estate in town.

He laid a festive table and wore a wedding gown

He sent invitations to His neighbors far and wide.

But when the meal was ready, each of them replied:

I cannot come.



I have a business.

I cannot come to the banquet, don't trouble me now.

I have married a wife, I have bought me a house.

I have fields and commitments that cost a pretty sum.

Pray, hold me excused, I cannot come.



The Master rose up in anger, called His servants by name and

said: "Go into the town, fetch the blind and the lame

Fetch the peasant and the pauper, for this I have willed

My banquet must be crowded and My table must be filled".



When all the poor had assembled there was still room to spare

So the Master demanded, "Go search everywhere

To the highways and byways and force them to come in

My table must be filled before the banquet can begin".





Who is this Master?



He is God.



The Kingdom of God is this Wedding.



God invites you.



Will you come?



God has written this lesson for us:

If we're slow in responding and if we do not want His Kingdom then He may leave us behind.

He prepared a banquet for that great and glorious day.



He calls you HOME!



Come back to Him!



The Kingdom of God is PREPARED for you!





Matthew 22:1-14



The Parable of the Wedding Feast



1 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said:

2 �The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come.

4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, �Tell those who are invited, �See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.��

5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. 7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then he said to his servants, �The wedding is ready,

but those who were invited were not worthy.

9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.� 10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good.

And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11 �But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.

12 So he said to him, �Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?�

And he was speechless.

13 Then the king said to the servants, �Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.�

14 �For many are called, but few are chosen.�



The Kingdom of God is this Wedding.



God invites you.



Will you come?



You should be properly dressed!



Because it is respect of your King.



And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude,

as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, �Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!

Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory,

for the marriage of the Lamb has come,

and His wife has made herself ready.�

And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Revelation 19: 6-8



Can a virgin forget her ornaments,

Or a bride her attire?

Yet My people have forgotten Me days without number.

Jeremiah 2:32



The Son of God said:



�I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.�

Revelation 3:18



The Son of God said:



�And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,

�These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:

�I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,

I will vomit you out of My mouth.

Because you say, �I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing��and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked�

I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.



As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.

Therefore be zealous and repent.



Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

�He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.��� Revelation 3:14-22



The Lamb of God is the Son of God/Ibn Allah.



You are a Wife.



Do you make yourself ready to meet the Son of God?



Are you holy?



Did God impute you the righteousness of His Son?



His Son took the sin of the world on the Cross. He died instead of us to forgive our sins and make us holy.



Are you cleansed of your iniquities and sins?



Did God forgive you all your sins?



The Son of God said:



32 �Do not fear, little flock,

for it is your Father�s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

33 Sell what you have and give alms; provide yourselves money bags which do not grow old, a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches nor moth destroys.

34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.



The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant



35 �Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning;

36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master,

when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately.



37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.



39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.�

41 Then Peter said to Him, �Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?�



42 And the Lord said, �Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, �My master is delaying his coming,� and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master�s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know,



yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. Luke 12: 32-48



The Son of God will reign on earth, created by Him, for 1,000 years and He will make us rulers over all that He has.



Because He is the Almighty God.



He is the Creator of the universe.



Will He appoint you your portion with the unbelievers?



Do you believe in the Son of God?



Do you live a godly life walking in holiness?



Or are you a servant who knew his master�s will, and did not prepare himself to meet your God Jesus?



Did you deserve to be beaten with many stripes for your sexual immoral and sinful life?



Repent of your sins. Abandon your sins. Turn your heart to the Son of God. Confess all your sins to the Son of God in a prayer and He will immediately forgive all your sins.



Then he said to me,

�Write: �Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!�� And he said to me, �These are the true sayings of God.�

Revelation 19:9



The Son of God will reign on earth, created by Him, for 1,000 years and He will make us rulers over all that He has.



Because He is the Almighty God.



He is the Creator of the universe.



Will He appoint you your portion with the unbelievers?



Do you believe in the Son of God?



Do you live a godly life walking in holiness?



Or are you a servant who knew his master�s will, and did not prepare himself to meet your God Jesus?



Did you deserve to be beaten with many stripes for your sexual immoral and sinful life?



Repent of your sins. Abandon your sins. Turn your heart to the Son of God. Confess all your sins to the Son of God in a prayer and He will immediately forgive all your sins.



Then he said to me,

�Write: �Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!�� And he said to me, �These are the true sayings of God.�

Revelation 19:9





Palestine, the God of Israel invites you to the wedding of His Son.



The God of Israel invites you to the Kingdom of Heaven!



Will you come?!



The Kingdom of God was created by the Son of God since the foundation of the earth!



The Kingdom of God was created by the Son of God for the Arab nation and Israel since the foundation of the earth!



Welcome!



In this prophecy God says how the Son of god will be glorified.



The Son of God is the Messiah and His Bride is YOU!



Psalm 45

The Glories of the Messiah and His Bride



To the Chief Musician. Set to �The Lilies.�

A Contemplation of the sons of Korah. A Song of Love.



1 My heart is overflowing with a good theme;

I recite my composition concerning the King;

My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.



2 You are fairer than the sons of men;

Grace is poured upon Your lips;

Therefore God has blessed You forever.

3 Gird Your sword upon Your thigh, O Mighty One,

With Your glory and Your majesty.

4 And in Your majesty ride prosperously because of truth, humility, and righteousness;

And Your right hand shall teach You awesome things.

5 Your arrows are sharp in the heart of the King�s enemies;

The peoples fall under You.



6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;

A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;

Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You

With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.

8 All Your garments are scented with myrrh and aloes and cassia,

Out of the ivory palaces, by which they have made You glad.

9 Kings� daughters are among Your honorable women;

At Your right hand stands the queen in gold from Ophir.



10 Listen, O daughter,

Consider and incline your ear;

Forget your own people also, and your father�s house;

11 So the King will greatly desire your beauty;

Because He is your Lord, worship Him.

12 And the daughter of Tyre will come with a gift;

The rich among the people will seek your favor.



13 The royal daughter is all glorious within the palace;

Her clothing is woven with gold.

14 She shall be brought to the King in robes of many colors;

The virgins, her companions who follow her, shall be brought to You.

15 With gladness and rejoicing they shall be brought;

They shall enter the King�s palace.



16 Instead of Your fathers shall be Your sons,

Whom You shall make princes in all the earth.

17 I will make Your name to be remembered in all generations;

Therefore the people shall praise You forever and ever.



Gird Your sword upon Your thigh, O Mighty One - Jesus.



You are the Mighty God.



You are the Creator of the universe.



Your throne, O God Jesus, is forever and ever!

A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom!

You love righteousness and hate wickedness.



The King Jesus will greatly desire your beauty.



Get dressed in the righteousness!



Because He is your Lord, worship Him!



Palestinians, you will be the sons of God!



God will make princes in all the earth.

You will reign with Him on His planet earth for 1,000 years!



The Son of God will return to our planet earth during the Third World War of the Muslim states against Israel.



Do you wait for Him?



Are you ready to meet Him?



He is the Judge.



He will judge the Muslim nations, Iran and Palestine.



Are you ready for His Judgment?



Awake! Do not slumber! The Son of God is coming back to DEFEND Israel.



He will execute His judgment on Hamas fighters, Palestinian snipers and Iran!



Are you READY to be devoured by His WRATH for your sinful life and murders?!



Our God is a Consuming FIRE!





Matthew 25:1-13



The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins



1 �Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.



2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.



3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.



6 �And at midnight a cry was heard: �Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!�



7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, �Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.� 9 But the wise answered, saying, �No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.� 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.



11 �Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, �Lord, Lord, open to us!�



12 But he answered and said, �Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.�



13 �Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.





Will the Son of God tell you: �I do not know you�?



Jesus said:



I Never Knew You



�Not everyone who says to Me, �Lord, Lord,� shall enter the kingdom of heaven,

but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Many will say to Me in that day, �Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?� And then I will declare to them, �I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!�

Matthew 7:21-23



�Return, O backsliding children,� says the Lord; �for I am married to you.

I will take you, one from a city and two from a family,

and I will bring you to Zion.

And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.

Jeremiah 3:14-15



Jeremiah 3:1

�They say, �If a man divorces his wife,

And she goes from him

And becomes another man�s,

May he return to her again?�

Would not that land be greatly polluted?

But you have played the harlot with many lovers;

Yet return to Me,� says the Lord.



2 Corinthians 11:2

For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.



� Yet I am the LORD your God

Ever since the land of Egypt,

And you shall know no God but Me;

For there is no savior besides Me.�

Hosea 13:4



� I will ransom them from the power of the grave;

I will redeem them from death.

O Death, I will be your plagues!

O Grave, I will be your destruction!

Pity is hidden from My eyes.�

Hosea 13:14



Our Final Victory



Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I tell you a mystery:



We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed� in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,



at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written:



�Death is swallowed up in victory.�

� O Death, where is your sting?

O Hades, where is your victory?�



The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.



But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58





Our Final Victory



Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I tell you a mystery:



We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed� in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,



at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written:



�Death is swallowed up in victory.�

� O Death, where is your sting?

O Hades, where is your victory?�



The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.



But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2013 03:37 AM

Good morning Sister



Wow, long post, took my entire first cup of coffee to finish it,



You do love the Lord and this is always nice to see.



Still, no matter what the robes of righteousness aka wedding garments are not something we can acquire on our own because only God can give them to us as he sees fit. Please note the change of clothing given to Joshua and the elders in Zechariah 3 as well as the bride prepared in heaven (Rev.21:1-3) for her husband who is the Holy Spirit indwelling persons on earth who have already received the earnest of the Holy Spirit (2nd Corr. 1:22, 5:5) meaning a partial payment of all that will be given to the 100 fold overcomers.



Obtaining perfection that is the fullness of Christ being formed in us is the high call of our profession is not something we can do on our own. However, there are necessary prerequisites required of us before God can move us forward into the perfection seen in His Holiness. These persons who are moved by Him into perfection are the same persons who will be given the morning star and will rule the nations as seen in Rev.2:26-29.



What is required for us to obtain prior to being moved by God and into perfection that means clothed in HIS ROBES of righteousness (not our robes) is spelled out for us in Heb.6:1-3.



He. 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,



2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.



3 And this will we do, if God permit.



Said plainly we need to understand the truth of all seven of these doctrines because our faith is not just whom we believe in but what we believe about the Word made flesh (because without faith it is impossible to please God). In other words if what we believe about the foundational doctrines is not the truth it is not the Holy Spirit who is teaching us but an imposter who has transformed himself to look and sound as if it is the Holy Spirit teaching us. (Whom we all know the true identity of and is spelled out for us in 2 Corinthians 11:14-16 )



Consequently, before we get to wear any wedding garments that are given to us by God we must understand the truth of the resurrection and the other foundational doctrines of Christ.



Unfortunately believing in a first resurrection that comes sometime after our physical death and happens 1000 years before a second resurrection of the damned and the lost is not believing in the truth of the doctrines of resurrection.



Blessings to you,



Doug

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2013 07:21 AM

Dough hi,



What do you mean by saying:

"Unfortunately believing in a first resurrection that comes sometime after our physical death and happens 1000 years before a second resurrection of the damned and the lost is not believing in the truth of the doctrines of resurrection."



Let's read what God teaches us:



The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years:

And they(souls of martyrs) lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years!



4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.



Who will be these saints?

Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.



What ill happen after the Millennium reign of saints/Christians an Jesus?



Satanic Rebellion will be Crushed.



The Great White Throne Judgment:



12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened.



So, again:

WHEN will be the FIRST Resurrection? Upon the SECOND Coming of Jesus!



1 Thessalonians 4:16



For the Lord (JESUS) himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.



Will be all Christians resurrected? Jesus and the Scripture said yes.



Romans 8:11



If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.



Philippians 3:21



Who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.



1 Corinthians 15:12-32



Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. ...





John 6:44 Jesus says:



No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.



John 5:29

And come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.



Jesus says:



�Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? 25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. Mark 12

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2013 09:33 AM

Greetings to you versavia,



If we try to take the Bible as a whole and try to interpret as written purely literally we are going to get ourselves into a lot of trouble even before getting to the Book of Revelation that when taken literally disputes some of the words of Jesus. However, when the allegories and metaphors are exposed for what they are everything lines up just fine



Also, this is one area when the same as the Bible says �we have a more sure word of prophecy� so do I after having already been declared dead following a car accident because while everyone was looking at my dead body I was still alive and well in the next life attending the resurrection of the dead were one has to die before they can attend it. For whatever reasons God saw fit to send me back or not to allow me to stay with Him, the fact remains I did not find out that everything I had experienced was written in the book of revelations until another 5 years after the fact. I�ll come back to this at the end of this post



Anyway,



When Jesus admonished the rich man who wanted to build bigger barns when did Jesus say he would be held responsible in the next life?



Luke 12; 16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:



17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?



18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.



19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.



20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?



And when on the cross what did Jesus say to the man who repented as to when He would be with Jesus?





Luke 23:43

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.



And what does Paul say about life and death and judgment?



Hebrews 9:27

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:



Taking a break from this what does the Bible say about 1000 years and a day?



2 Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.



Psalm 90:4

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.





It is only through us receiving the Holy Spirit that brings into play when Jesus says those who believe in him pass from death unto life because this is when the 1st resurrection starts in us at the reception of the Holy Spirit into a person�s heart.



Everyone upon their natural death will be resurrected to the resurrection of the dead, and to judgment for better or worse for the things they have done during their time on earth. This is what I experienced after I was declared dead and without another divine occurrence and someone showing up to anoint me with oil and pray over me in the same manner as the apostles raised the dead, I expect to remain dead, and not to return back to life as we know it to be.



Also consider this, the Bible says �now is the day of salvation� that has been the same day 365 days a year for the last 2000 years, yet it is all still called �a day� because it refers to a dispensation of grace and not a period of time.



Why the 2nd resurrection is said to be 1000 years later is for the same reason because it is a different day and no longer the day of salvation because the person has died and is now going to face their judgment the same as Jesus said of the rich man. Therefore and once again it is not a period of time but time for a dispensation of judgmnent handed down to someone who has died instead of still living in a time of grace because all of mankind are already sentenced to death before they are born and have been since the fall of Adam. Because seventy is the time of a mans life sevety is the timne of grace before judmnet.



Because the Jews and Jeusalam refused their Messaih and tried to kill the baby Jesus in the "slaughter of the inocents," seventy years later they were judged in what is known as the destruction of the temple.



Today is the 7th day from Adam that is the same as the 3rd day from Jesus Christ when He spoke in ther Bible of his Temple that is a many member body being perfected. For this reason you have many churches with the words �3rd day� somewhere in their name because they recognize that prophecy says in the 3rd day at least some of those in the church will be perfected also known as the manifestation of the sons of God spoken of by Paul in Romans 9:18.



When David said �I walk through the valley of death� it was not because he went anywhere to a place called the Valley of death or that it was a specific valley because we are all born into this valley of death having been under the curse of death ever since the fall of Adam.



Regarding the more sure word of prophecy,





If it�s okay with you I will send you a private message with a link that would take you to a book advertisement where the free preview will allow you to read the 1st chapter that contains the story surrounding the accident along with my painfully honest testimony including some things about me that are not very complimentary. I believe you will enjoy it, for sure you have never read another testimony like it.



Having witnessed other signs and wonders the rest of the book goes deep, very deep and much further than any other book goes other than the Bible. Normally for people who desire it but are not financially able I send them free copies. That could be a little more difficult for me when dealing with people from outside the continental United States. However, where there is a will there is a way.



Let me know,



Blessings to you,



Doug

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2013 10:03 AM

Doug,



You mean that there is NO resurrection of dead people.

This is a heresy!



Why?

Because God said contrary to what you say. LOL



12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?



13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also EMPTY.



Your faith is also EMPTY!



That is why Doug REPENT of your disbelief and abandon your heresies and FALSE teaching and START literally implement what God Jesus says in His Holy Scripture, unless you PERISH with unbelievers!



18I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Revelation 22

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2013 10:06 AM

I never said that..........



Your reading comprehension is a tad off

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2013 10:20 AM

Why what you say is a heresy?

I will show you that:

(1) You say: �It is only through us receiving the Holy Spirit that brings into play when Jesus says those who believe in him pass from death unto life because this is when the 1st resurrection starts in us at the reception of the Holy Spirit into a person�s heart.�

MY RESPONSE: This is a HERESY! God will punish you for that! But why?

The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:5



(2) You say: �Everyone upon their natural death will be resurrected to the resurrection of the dead, and to judgment for better or worse for the things they have done during their time on earth.�

MY RESPONSE: This is a HERESY! God will punish you for that! But why?

2 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ�s at His coming.



God said that UPON the RETURN of Jesus to our planet/ at HIS SECOND Coming the dead Christians will be RESURRECTED!

Summary:

That is why Doug REPENT of your disbelief and abandon your heresies and FALSE teaching and START literally IMPLEMENT what God Jesus says in His Holy Scripture, unless you PERISH with unbelievers!







18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.



Revelation 22

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2013 12:41 PM

Going by your logic Jesus must have lied when He told the rich man that night his soul would be required of him........... go look up the definition for the greek word used for required and you will see that it means to take back to extract payment from.......... do you need help understanding what "this night" means? LOL



Learn to read what the Bible is teaching us not through your literal interpetation that leaves you with talking snakes and trees but how the Bible teaches we are to compare spiritual things with spirit through line upon line and line and precept upon precep as used by those who are weaned from breast (milk) and prepared to teach others (Isa. 28:)



BTW when the person dies the spirit goes back God who gave it taking the soul of the person right with it........ that too is in the Bible so let me know if you need help finding those verses.



Meanwhile you are in no condition to go around calling heritics and telling them they will be judged for things you have yet to learn about



After you learn some manners and how to study the Bible as God teaches and not how man teaches, we can talk some more.



Until then have a nice life :waving:

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