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Separating Jews and Non-Jews In Christ: Undoing A Part of the Gospel and Finished Work of Christ
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 09:25 AM
Separating Jews and Non-Jews In Christ: Undoing A Part of the Gospel and Finished Work of Christ
Through John Darby, C.I. Scofield, Lewis S. Chafer, the classical dispensationalists, and many others, their followers, Satan has been able to undo an important part of the Gospel and the finished work of Christ on the Cross. What has been undone is the union of Jew and non-Jew in Christ. Jew and Gentile have been separated in what is called dispensationalism. This theology, now a tradition of men (Matthew 15: 6, Mark 7:8), has been called separation theology, for example by Richard L. Pratt, Jr., a Calvinist professor of theology. This theology honors all physical Israel, the Jews, and in effect says they remain the chosen people, and says physical Israel as a house which rejected Christ, now stands alongside what they call the Capital C Church as a separate group of God's people.
"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." Romans 10: 12
"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28.There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3: 27-29
Romans 10: 12 might be interpreted to mean that in Christ the Jews are still Jews, but they and the non-Jews who are both in Christ are now equal.
But if you look more carefully at Galatians 3: 27-28, "there is neither Jew not Greek" because both are one in Christ you can begin to see that the New Testament is teaching that the identity of those of physical Israel, the Jews, does not exist in Christ. Galatians 3: 3-29 shows that all those who are in Christ are the spiritual seed of Abraham and that the special status of the member of Old Covenant physical Israel, by virtue of physical descent from Abraham, is no more. Now, there is neither Jew nor non-Jew in Christ, because all in Christ are the spiritual descendants of Abraham, and his seed, which is the seed of God.
In Ephesians 2: 11-20 the non-Jews are first said to be aliens to the commonwealth of Israel (verse 12). But Ephesians 2: 13 says "...now in Christ Jesus ye who were sometimes far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ." Nigh is an old English word meaning close. Ephesians 2: 18 says "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." "We both" are Jews and non-Jews. But as Paul teaches in Galatians 3: 28 there is neither Jew nor Greek (non-Jew) in Christ Jesus.
Now go on to Romans 2: 28-29, which says that the Jew who is an outward Jew, as a physical descendant of Abraham, whose Jewish identity is in that and what Hebrews 10: 1 and Colossians 2: 16-17 call the shadows (the ceremonial law), including Old Covenant circumcision is now in Christ not a Jew any more. The real Jew now is a spiritual Jew who is one inwardly, in the inner life, who is led by the Spirit and not by the letter of the Law.
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Romans 2: 28-29
God turned physical Israel upside down, as he said he would do in II Kings 21: 13, "and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down."
"Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not?" Isaiah 29: 16
"And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5. Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6. O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel." Jeremiah 18: 4-6
Physical Israel was transformed in Christ, born again (John 3: 1-6).
So, not only does the tradition of men concocted by John Darby, C. I. Scofield, Lewis S. Chafer and others do away with the union of two groups, the Jews and the non-Jews in Christ. But this theology also denies the teaching of Paul that there is neither Jew nor non-Jew in Christ and that the old Jew whose identity as Jew is tied up in that which is physical is no longer a true Jew. The true Jew, if you want to use that term, is now a spiritual Jew.
Understanding what Paul is teaching in Galatians 3: 27-28 and in Romans 2; 28-29 is necessary for understanding the metaphor of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11, where the word witness, martus, means both witness and martyr.
And understanding the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 requires an understanding of Revelation 9: 15-19 of the Fifth Trumpet Judgment. In Revelation 9: 15, 18 the third part of men is killed. This does not mean that one third of all people living then are physically killed, but it means that of three part man, made in the image of God, the spiritual part is metaphorically killed. If a man is not physically killed, he might recover that spiritual part of him that is metaphorically said to be killed by the huge army of horsemen in Revelation 9: 16. In Revelation 11: 7 the beast out of the bottomless pit kills the Two Witnesses, who are not literally two guys.
But the Two Witnesses who have been "killed," meaning their spiritual part has been "killed" by the beast out of the bottomless pit, inspiring this army of false prophets, in Revelation 11: 11 are given spiritual life by the Spirit of life from God.
Those claiming to be Christians who have been deceived into believing that the separation between Jew and non-Jew still exists in Christ and who have forsaken their heritage as the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) and as the commonwealth of Israel (Ephesian 2: 11-19) is the tribulation, the indignation of the Lord (Isaiah 26: 20), when the Lord passes judgement upon his house. This is also the Threshing Floor of Jeremiah 51: 33, where the wheat is separated from the chaff.
"Immediately after the tribulation of these days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven..." Matthew 24: 29-30
The period of the falling away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 is part of the tribulation, the judgment upon those claiming to be of God.
Separating Jews and Non-Jews In Christ: Undoing A Part of the Gospel and Finished Work of Christ
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 11:01 AM
Jesus is called the Son of David 17 times in God's Word. Jesus says "I am the lion of the tribe of JUDAH {Rev 5:5}and the ROOT and OFFSPRING of DAVID {Rev 22:16}. God's Wor d says salvation is of the Jews and God inspired 40 Jews to write all the inspired words of the OT and NT.
Romans 11:25-29: I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in {See Rev 7:9-15} And so ALL Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins." As for as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account. but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs {Moses, Abraham, David etc etc}for God's gifts and His call are irrevocable!!
Zechariah 13:8,9: "In the whole land," declares the Lord, "two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet 0ne-third will be left in it. This thrid I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like gold. They will call on My Name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are My people,' and they will say, 'the Lord is our God!'"
It is estimated that their are presently about 20,000 Jews who are presently saved. There are presently about 13 1/2 million Jews and 1/3 would be 4,500,000 Jews who will be saved including 144,00 Jews {See Rev 7:4-8} during the 1260-day great Tribulation just before the 2nd coming of Jesus after a great multitude of Gentiles from every nation and language has been saved and the full number of Gentiles have come in as per Rev 7:9-15!!
Separating Jews and Non-Jews In Christ: Undoing A Part of the Gospel and Finished Work of Christ
Posted : 12 Nov, 2013 06:37 PM
Through John Darby, C.I. Scofield, Lewis S. Chafer, the classical dispensationalists, and many others, their followers, Satan has been able to undo an important part of the Gospel and the finished work of Christ on the Cross. What has been undone is the union of Jew and non-Jew in Christ. Jew and Gentile have been separated in what is called dispensationalism.
I finally understand you� I told IWA once in a private that I cannot figure out if you are anti-Semitic or not because I didn�t understand your post� he told me you just didn�t say it right. That is what I asked him� is he (you) anti-Semitic or is he just saying it all wrong�., so I never commented. But I do get it now. And you are not, but you are right in what you say. Dispensationalism makes me said because this is one of the #1 reasons why my people hate Christians. We are not worthy of being killed because we did not kill Y-shua� if He didn�t lay down His own life as the sinless, spotless sacrificial lamb then it was a worthless death. But He did and He rose on the 3rd day and is coming back!!!! Or saying we lost are place to you (I AM Equal� I am messianic� WHAT DOES THAT DO THIS THEOLOGY�?!?) or even saying we �Jew� you down like Jew is a verb� unless Y-shua� Jews� you down�. Lol� (BETTER NOT BELIEVE IN PROSPIARITY AND HAVE THIS THEOLOGY) Now in all honestly I didn�t know that was what dispensationalist was; I thought it was called replacement theology� oh well� as to my limited knowledge Y-shua is the vine and people Jews and non-Jews are the branches and they/we need the vine to survive. Additionally non-Jews are graphed in to the Jewish kingdom because, oh how many don�t get it Y-shua IS A JEW). All of mankind stand before the Lord there is one question and one question only to enter heaven what did you do with my SON? DID YOU ACCEPT HIM OR NOT AS MESSIAH!?! To be honest though I think those theologically confused will still get in to heaven. I would love to think all haters of Jews will go to hell, but then I have to think Martin Luther went to Hell, and I do not�. My flesh may not like it but the blood of Y-shua covers a multitude of sin. And when I think of that personally, I am grateful. A true oxy-mourn!!!!
I disagree with �Those claiming to be Christians who have been deceived into believing that the separation between Jew and non-Jew still exists in Christ and who have forsaken their heritage as the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) and as the commonwealth of Israel (Ephesian 2: 11-19) is the tribulation, the indignation of the Lord (Isaiah 26: 20), when the Lord passes judgment upon his house. This is also the Threshing Floor of Jeremiah 51: 33, where the wheat is separated from the chaff.� I have heard this argument about Christians who bear fruit and those that don�t� if you�re save, you�re saved, if you�re not you�re not. There are millions that think Y-shua is a way to heave, so is Mahmoud and everything else under the sun and say �yes, I�m saved; I will go to heaven��.
I don�t like people that believe in replacement theology!!! But only G-d knows if they are saved or not and just need some correction.. or like a lot of it!!!!
