Listen to my conversation with Christians and comment pls:
Correction should be done calling people to reconsider their misconceptions....
Tell me: who of you does think that Zechariah 14 speaks about the coming World War 3 and the Return of Christ?
Some of Christians do not think so.
My family members even insulted me for what is written there....
Their "Christianity" insulted me!
Christianity should not be what we think, but what God said. That is my point.
Richard said:
"Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Immediately after the distress of those {may be 1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky.? {Luke 21:28 adds ?When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.?} Then the nations will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send His **ANGELS** {See Matt 25:31; 16:27 and 2 Thess 1:7} with a loud {7TH & LAST} *TRUMPET* CALL and they will gather *His elect* from the 4 winds {Mark 13:27b adds:} ?from the ends of the earth {Saints on earth} to the ends of the Heavens {Saints in Heaven}!!"
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His **ANGELS**, and **THEN** He will reward each person according to what he has done!!"
Let's consider the event described by Richard.
Garry said:
"Sounds like WW3 to me;
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
From someone that once put BIG bombs on planes for the cold war, (THANK YOU JESUS none of them were used)this is exactly what a nuclear explosion does. Some will say the end of the earth!!! NO the end of the age, when this happens i also believe this happens;
Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
These type bombs blow up a LOT of area, almost city wide, BIG city wide. They however don't damage anything else except the fall out..which will not spread if the wind doesn't blow.
Just before Rev. 7 1
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Stars from heaven? or reentry vehicles (nuclear bombs go into outer space for a bit, have you ever seen a shooting star?) from the other side of the planet?
So Yes i agree with you that WW 3 will happen at some time in the future When Jesus is about to return. "
My response:
Hi,
Let's consider two explosions today:
I also think that the return of Jesus will be like a nuclear explosion in Israel (Zechariah 14, 12, 2). As we can read there will be an earhquake in Israel too.
Theory suggests that a nuclear explosion could trigger fault rupture and cause a major quake at distances within a few tens of kilometers from the shot point.
But what about this verse above "a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood"? I think this verse could refer to the RETURN of Jesus/"exlosion" in Israel or another explosion...Another nuclear explosion!
Let's read about that:
Sixth Seal: Revelation 6
12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a GREAT earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and EVERY mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the KINGS of the EARTH, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the CAVES and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb (JESUS)! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"
Why? "Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up"...Looks like a nuclear fireball/mushroom cloud!!!? Revelation 6.
What could be this explosion?
Because this explosion is the Sisth Seal!
But there is something else!
The SEVENTH Seal!
Seventh Seal: "And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake." Revelation 8
Do you see that here is another earthquake!?
(Fourth Trumpet: The Heavens Struck)
12 Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.
The RETURN of Jesus will be during the Seventh Trumpet: The Kingdom of Jesus Proclaimed! Revelation 11
My speculation what this "explosion" could be: " And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.":
I think Russia will attack the USA. I think it will be a nuclear explosion!
That is why heaven will be dark in your part of the world.
But this is just my speculation. What will happen soon we will see...
Nuclear winter is a climatic effect of countervalue nuclear war. Detonating dozens or more nuclear weapons on cities prone to firestorm could have a profound and severe effect on the climate causing cold weather and reduced sunlight for a period of months or even years by the emission of large amounts of the firestorms smoke and soot into the Earth's stratosphere.
Similar climatic effects can be caused by comets or an asteroid impact, also sometimes termed an impact winter. So what will be this "explosion"? A Russian nuclear attack or a fall of a comet/asteroid?
Fall of stars?!
The Coming of the Son of God Jesus:
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the STARS of heaven will FALL, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man (JESUS) coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13
Yes, this "explosion" is the WORLD WAR 3 (Zechariah 14, 12).
Let me make a summary of what I said:
(1) Sixth Seal: GREAT earthquake. "the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up". Revelation 6.
Most probably it will be a nuclear explosion in the USA or it could be caused by fall of a meteorite/comet.
(2) 7th Seal: (Last Trumpet) The Third World War and the Return of the SON of GOD to Israel (also accompanied by earthquake and somekind of "nuclear" explosion. (Zecharia 14).
Response of Gary:
Like i said i once loaded them on B 52s so after that period of my life i started thinking and researching, both the books of the world and the bible. There are MANY verses that describe a nuclear war, one that says that people will place flags when they find bones around Israel, radiation in the bones is likely. Eze 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
Eze 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
Eze 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
Eze 39:15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
The nuclear winter effect is not likely in my opinion, i believe Jesus will help the survivors. Also most of them are set to go off at the height above the ground for the biggest effect. Those have much less fallout.
Personally i see a world that could descend into this very quickly now, most of the allegiances are correct, there is a group of people that still behead for punishment, and Israel seems almost alone with the president we have in the U.S. right now but though it might get anxious for them God said several things about protecting them including; Zec 2:1 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
Zec 2:2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
Zec 2:3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
Zec 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:
Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.
Well it is getting late here, nice talking with you! Will be back on tomorrow.
God bless,
gary
My response:
Gary,
I said "I think Russia will attack the USA. I think it will be a nuclear explosion! That is why heaven will be dark in your part of the world." What will be possible scenario of the end times events?
Allies of Russia/Gog/the Antichrist will attack "Babylon" (Revelation 17, 18,19)! I think that could be a nuclear explosion! That is why heaven could be dark in your part of the world! LOL
Why do I think so? Let's consider that:
End Times events:
1st Seal: The Conqueror (the Antichrist)
2nd Seal: Conflicts on earth
3rd Seal: Scarcity on Earth
4th Seal: Death on earth (wars, beasts)
5th Seal: Martyrs
6th Seal: Disturbances ( A great Earthquake, wind, explosion)
7th Seal: Trumpets:
1. The Vegetation Struck (Fire-1/3rd)
2. The Seas Struck (A great mountain burning with fire. A comet? 1/3rd of water)
3. The Waters Struck (A great star fell from heaven. A comet?)
4. The Heavens Struck (Darkness).
5. The Bottomless Pit (A star fallen from heaven to the earth).
6. The Angels from the Euphrates (War- 1/3rd was killed. By these three plagues (fire and the smoke and the brimstone) a third of mankind was killed.)
7. Seventh Trumpet: The Kingdom of Jesus Proclaimed during the World War Three.
What I think: I think that it is also possible that the 7th Seal describes what will happen in the 6th Seal! Before the Return of Jesus there will be a STAR from Heaven which will kill 1/3rd of people.
So, I think that most probably Russia will not destroy the USA but it will be a Cosmic Disturbance!
Or this STAR from Heaven is "a nuclear attack" which could destroy the USA/"Babylon" (Revelation 17, 18,19).
So it is also possible that the Six Seal and the Seventh Seath describe the same event - destruction of the "Babylon"!
"16 And the ten horns (10 State Leaders) which you saw on the beast (the Antichrist),these will hate the harlot (BABYLON), make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire." Revelation 17.
If the USA is the "Babylon" and the Antichrist is a Russian state leader then 10 nations confederated under the Antichrist will destroy this Babylon (Revelation 17-19) i.e. the USA.
Let's listen now to Jesus because He is the Son of God and He gave us the CLEAR explanation of the end times events and HOW He will return to our planet Earth:
The Coming of the Son of Man
25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men?s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man (JESUS) coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." Luke 21:25-28
The Son of God is our Judge and KING and God.
If He is NOT your God, then you will NOT survive His Judgement and you will perish with all Muslims who will attack Israel during the World War 3.
God tells you:
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.
Psalm 2
Summary: The Son of God will return during the Third World War.
Babylon will be destroyed by the alliance of 10 nations confederated under the Antichrist.
There will be cosmic disturbances and wars on our planet to call people to REPENTANCE because the JUDGE -the SON of GOD-is coming BACK.
Hebrews 12:26-28: God says, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a *KINGDOM* that can not be shaken let us be thankful...for our God is a consuming fire!
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up {NIV}. Since everything will be destroyed in this way. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists and the Historicists} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"
Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches.....I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternel hell}. And if anyone takes *WORDS AWAY* {Like the Preterists and the RC church} from this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The **NEW JERUSALEM**}, which are described in this Book.!!"
Revelation 22 :1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. The angel said to me, �These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!�
JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE *NEW JERUSALEM*!!
Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it...And I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the NEW JERUSALEM, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
According to Revelation 22:3 the only 2 thrones in the New Jerusalem will be the thrones of the Father and of the Lamb Jesus Christ.
Thank you Richard for this post. I like that. :waving::yay:
I invited my friend Gary to this Forum (I talked to him in this thread about the Bible prophecies). He promised to join us soon. :yay:
I told him today:
Hi Gary,
I agree with what you said.
I know Islam very well. I compared the Bible prophecies with Muslim "predictions" with Muslim scholars....
I still until today cannot watch what Russian president Putin says in news...Everything is lie and hatred toward the USA...He is an antichrist for me aiming at destruction of people's life in Syria and Israel....
I am against what he does and says...
But of course we do not know who is or will be the Antichrist.
Everything what we can do: we have to ponder, analyze, study the HOLY Scripture DAILY to IMPLEMENT it! :angel: :hearts:
That is our purpose.
And of course we will speculate and suggest about what will happen in future...not knowing how it will happen...
God knows the future and He shared this future with us in His prophecies to PREPARE us to meet with His Son. That is why we are able to read what He says about the future and OBEY Him.
