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the definition of sin proves we are under the law
Posted : 11 Jul, 2013 09:30 AM

1 john 3: 4 ......look it up



Not to earn our salvation but to verify the kind of tree that we r and for the sake of our reward



If we not under the law then y even care about the ten commandments?



If we not under the law then abortion murder rape and any other immoral thing u can think of is ok



We cant keep the law perfectly ....only christ did .....so all the trangressing ever done was a curse that the father put on him and he took the punshment that the law gave to sinners....if we walk in him then the father sees his son when he looks at us (perfection) we are not not under the law as far as salvation is concerned but we are as far as reward is concerned



Ps when u read the law it says some things we are suppose to do forever.....forever didnt end at the cross

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the definition of sin proves we are under the law
Posted : 11 Jul, 2013 11:40 AM

the Bible says that Gods people and the devils children are under the law, because His children are to be obedient to the commandments and the devils children are doing the law that God has set forth.



Goats as the Bible says, are doing the will of the Father and they do not know it, and Gods Elect(children,church), are doing His will also, by Him, causing His children to walk after His commandments(2 John 1:6).

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the definition of sin proves we are under the law
Posted : 11 Jul, 2013 12:23 PM

As a child of God, your strength is not in the quality of your intellect, or the variety of your experience, or in your physical muscles, or the force of your personality.



Your strength is found in the Lord Almighty, who has made you His child, and he had called us to live by his commands, not the worlds.

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Posted : 11 Jul, 2013 08:22 PM

Romans 8:1�There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.�

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.�

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:�

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:12�All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient:all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1 Corinthians 10:23�All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient:all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

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Posted : 12 Jul, 2013 01:28 PM

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."



"Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."



"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."



"Not everyone who says to Me, �Lord, Lord,� shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, �Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?� And then I will declare to them, �I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"



So then, what is the law that we're supposed to keep as Christians, versus the Jewish law of the old testament? The apostles and Jesus are constantly referring to the 10 commandments that were written on the two tables of stone.



"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."



"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."



"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."



"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."



But the apostles and Jesus also do not hold Christians to any Jewish/Pharisaical law or ceremonial law or the laws of Moses(feast days, civil regulations, sanctuary services, etc).



"But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."



"Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain men which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: ... For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."



Now, they're obviously talking about two different laws. One of Moses, and then one they like to call the "Royal Law" or "The Law of Liberty" aka "The Ten Commandments"(the ones about adultery/murder/stealing/blasphemy/idolatry, etc". We're still to obey God's royal law that was written on stone, we're just no longer under the condemnation of it if we're in Christ. If someone can find a verse where Jesus or the apostles recommend to forget or disregard any of the 10 commandment laws, I'd like to see it, but it's obvious that circumcision, feast days, civil laws of the jews, are all done away with for those who are under the new covenant. Although, Jesus does mention some things in relation to the old testament laws, and he apparently recommends such things as tithing, etc. I think this might be slightly different though, because technically, "tithing" has been going on since before the Jews were around, sort of like the Sabbath.



""Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former."



Jesus clearly puts things in perspective there, he does say to practice justice/love/faith as our most important duty, yet also not to neglect tithing, etc...



Anyways, interesting topic!



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the definition of sin proves we are under the law
Posted : 12 Jul, 2013 01:36 PM

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."



I forgot this one!

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the definition of sin proves we are under the law
Posted : 12 Jul, 2013 04:45 PM

Amen, Mark!

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Posted : 13 Jul, 2013 02:13 AM

THE PURPOSE OF THE LAW.



The law is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, or rather our attendant to conduct us to the school of Jesus. The law is the great net in which the fish are enclosed that they may be drawn out of the element of sin. The law is the stormy wind which drives souls into the harbour or refuge. The law is the sheriff's officer to shut men up in prison for their sin, concluding them all under condemnation in order that they may look to the free grace of God alone for deliverance.



This is the object of the law: it empties that grace may fill, and wounds that mercy may heal. It has never been God's intention towards us, as fallen men, that the law should be regarded as a way to salvation to us, for a way of salvation it can never be. Had man never fallen, had his nature remained as God made it, the law would have been most helpful to him to show him the way in which he should walk: and by keeping it he would have lived, for "he that doeth these things shall live in them." But ever since man has fallen the Lord has not proposed to him a way of salvation by works, for he knows it to be impossible to a sinful creature. The law is already broken; and whatever man can do he cannot repair the damage he has already done: therefore he is out of court as to the hope of merit.



The law demands perfection, but man has already fallen short of it; and therefore let him do his best. He cannot accomplish what is absolutely essential. The law is meant to lead the sinner to faith in Christ, by showing the impossibility of any other way. It is the black dog to fetch the sheep to the shepherd, the burning heat which drives the traveller to the shadow of the Great Rock in a weary land.



Look how the law is adapted to this; for, first of all, IT SHOWS MAN HIS SIN. Read the Ten Commandments and tremble as you read them. Who can lay his own character down side by side with the two tablets of divine precept without at once being convinced that he has fallen far short of the standard? When the law comes home to the soul it is like light in a dark room revealing the dust and the dirt which else had been unperceived. It is the test which detects the presence of the poison of sin in the soul.



"I was alive without the law once," said the apostle, "but when the commandment came sin revived and I died." Our comeliness utterly fades away when the law blows upon it. Look at the commandments, I say, and remember how sweeping they are, how spiritual, how far-reaching. They do not merely touch the outward act, but dive into the inner motive and deal with the heart, the mind, the soul. There is a deeper meaning in the commands than appears upon their surface. Gaze into their depths and see how terrible is the holiness which they require. As you understand what the law demands you will perceive how far you are from fulfilling it, and how sin abounds where you thought there was little or none of it. You thought yourself rich and increased in goods and in no need of anything, but when the broken law visits you, your spiritual bankruptcy and utter penury stare you in the face. A true balance discovers short weight, and such is the first effect of the law upon the conscience of man.



The Law was intended to teach men THEIR UTTER HELPLESSNESS. It shows them how short they fall of what they ought to be, and it also shows them, when they look at it carefully, how utterly impossible it is for them to come up to the standard. Such holiness as the law demands no man can reach of himself. "Thy commandment is exceeding broad." If a man says that he can keep the law, it is because he does not know what the law is. If he fancies that he can ever climb to heaven up the quivering sides of Sinai, surely he can never have seen that burning mount at all. Keep the law! Ah, my brethren, while we are yet talking about it we are breaking it; while we are pretending that we can fulfil its letter, we are violating its spirit, for pride as much breaks the law as lust or murder. "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one." "How can he be clean that is born of a woman?" No, soul, thou canst not help thyself in this thing, for since only by perfection thou canst live by the law, and since that perfection is impossible, thou canst not find help in the covenant of works. In grace there is hope, but as a matter of debt there is none, for we do not merit anything but wrath. The law tells us this, and the sooner we know it to be so the better, for the sooner we shall fly to Christ.



The law also shows us OUR GREAT NEED�our need of cleansing, cleansing with the water and with the blood. It discovers to us our filthiness, and this naturally leads us to feel that we must be washed from it if we are ever to draw near to God. So the law drives us to accept of Christ as the one only person who can cleanse us, and make us fit to stand within the veil in the presence of the Most High. The law is the surgeon's knife which cuts out the proud flesh that the wound may heal. The law by itself only sweeps and raises the dust, but the gospel sprinkles clean water upon the dust, and all is well in the chamber of the soul.



THE LAW KILLS, THE GOSPEL MAKES ALIVE; the law strips, and then Jesus Christ comes in and robes the soul in beauty and glory. All the commandments, and all the types direct us to CHRIST, if we will but heed their evident intent. They wean us from self, they put us off from the false basis of self- righteousness, and bring us to know that only in Christ can our help be found. So, first of all, Christ is the end of the law, in that He is its great purpose!



C.H. Spurgeon

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Posted : 20 Jul, 2013 07:25 PM

Ac 13:38-40 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets.



Ro 3:27-28 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.



Ga 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.



Ga 5:3-6 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.



Ga 3:24-26 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.



Ro 3:19-20 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.---There's the purpose of the Law. Not to save, but to condemn and inform us of our condition.



Beware of any pseudo-Christian group claiming the Law plays a role in salvation. And there are many. Catholicism, Mormonism, j.w.'ism, 7th day'ism, the holiness movement, pentecostalism, you name it.



Buyer beware!

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the definition of sin proves we are under the law
Posted : 22 Jul, 2013 08:39 PM

Salvation cannot be earned by works but your works determine your reward...........and your fruit determine what kind of tree you r

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Posted : 22 Jul, 2013 08:39 PM

Salvation cannot be earned by works but your works determine your reward...........and your fruit determine what kind of tree you r

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