Author Thread: Example of the Use of the Dialectic Argument Against Scripture
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Example of the Use of the Dialectic Argument Against Scripture
Posted : 23 Jun, 2013 05:22 AM

On a Christian forum, more active than CDFF is now, someone wrote "I think that in the end, one's view on end times is a matter of faith. I have certain ideas about the end that you are not fond of, namely the pretribulation rapture. It is a matter of faith and by Heb 11:6 these end times ideas must be matters of faith to please God. I wouldn't consider being persuaded by another's argument. You may say, 'that isn't even rational', but faith is not necessarily rational or logical."



Hebrews 11: 6 says "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."



The pretribulation rapture is easier to show to be a false doctrine and a fable than are some other false doctrines taught in the churches now.



"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6: 39-40



"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." I Corinthians 15: 51-52



Trump and trumpet sounding is metaphoric, but the last trumpet must be at the end, not before the dispensationalist tribulation period, which is not exactly the tribulation taught in scripture.



"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matthew 24: 29-30



Whatever the tribulation is, Christ will appear after it is over, not before.



The argument above against these three scriptures is dialectic because it opposes them as absolute truth given by Christ himself in John 6: 39-40, and in Matthew 24: 29-30 and by the Holy Spirit to Paul in I Corinthians 15: 51-52. The dialectic mind opposes absolute truth and absolute morality, wanting yea and nay, shades of grey, and compromise.



Those who

use dialectic arguments against the facts of scripture are always looking for

loopholes, shades of grey, contradictions and verses where the meanings and implications

are not spelled out in great detail to hit at with their rejection of the absolute. Or, they simply ignore clear scriptures and try to undermine the truth of them by their arguments.



In addition, the argument above mocks faith, implying that faith is freedom to believe anything one wants to believe, from man made theology. The person who made this argument is relying on the majority, the large number of church members who believe in the pretribulation rapture to support his dialectic argument. He is in the broad way theology of Matthew 7: 13, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

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