If you don't agree, cam you show where the Christian is told to tithe in the new testament and show where tithing originated from in the Old Testament?
32 And the [y]congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them [z]claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them. 33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34 For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the [aa]proceeds of the sales 35 and lay them at the apostles� feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.
36 Now Joseph, a Levite of Cyprian birth, who was also called Barnabas by the apostles (which translated means Son of [ab] Encouragement), 37 and who owned a tract of land, sold it and brought the money and laid it at the apostles� feet.
Acts 5
Fate of Ananias and Sapphira
5 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife�s [a]full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles� feet. 3 But Peter said, �Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not [b]under your control? Why is it that you have [c]conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.� 5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6 The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.
7 Now there elapsed an interval of about three hours, and his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter responded to her, �Tell me whether you sold the land [d] for such and such a price?� And she said, �Yes, [e]that was the price.� 9 Then Peter said to her, �Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out as well.� 10 And immediately she fell at his feet and breathed her last, and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear came over the whole church, and over all who heard of these things.
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1 Corinthians 16
Instructions and Greetings
16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to [a]put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come. 3 When I arrive, whomever you may approve, I will send them with letters to carry your gift to Jerusalem; 4 and if it is fitting for me to go also, they will go with me.
5 But I will come to you after I go through Macedonia, for I am going through Macedonia; 6 and perhaps I will stay with you, or even spend the winter, so that you may send me on my way wherever I may go. 7 For I do not wish to see you now just in passing; for I hope to remain with you for some time, if the Lord permits. 8 But I will remain in Ephesus until Pentecost; 9 for a wide door [b]for effective service has opened to me, and there are many adversaries.
10 Now if Timothy comes, see that he is with you without [c]cause to be afraid, for he is doing the Lord�s work, as I also am. 11 So let no one despise him. But send him on his way in peace, so that he may come to me; for I expect him with the brethren.
12 But concerning Apollos our brother, I encouraged him greatly to come to you with the brethren; and it was not at all his desire to come now, but he will come when he has opportunity.
13 Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong. 14 Let all that you do be done in love.
15 Now I urge you, brethren (you know the household of Stephanas, that [d]they were the first fruits of Achaia, and that they have devoted themselves for ministry to the saints), 16 that you also be in subjection to such men and to everyone who helps in the work and labors. 17 I rejoice over the [e] coming of Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus, because they have [f]supplied what was lacking on your part. 18 For they have refreshed my spirit and yours. Therefore acknowledge such men.
19 The churches of Asia greet you. Aquila and Prisca greet you heartily in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. 20 All the brethren greet you. Greet one another with a holy kiss.
21 The greeting is in my own hand�[g]Paul. 22 If anyone does not love the Lord, he is to be [h] accursed. [i] Maranatha. 23 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you. 24 My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen.
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1 Timothy 6
Instructions to Those Who Minister
6 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be [a]spoken against. 2 Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who [b]partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and [c]preach these principles.
3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not [d]agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he [e]has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that [f]godliness is a means of gain. 6 But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment. 7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either. 8 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all [g]sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
11 But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, [h]perseverance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I charge you in the presence of God, who [i]gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which He will [j]bring about at the proper time�He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of [k]kings and Lord of [l]lords, 16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.
17 Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. 18 Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good [m]works, to be generous and ready to share, 19 storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.
20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called �knowledge�� 21 which some have professed and thus gone astray [n]from the faith.
The word of God is not for Christian's, you have tried this before Agapeton what is your motive continually denying the truth?
The word says the tithe is the lord's when does that change?
Do you agree, or disagree?
Yes believer's disagree.
If you don't agree, cam you show where the Christian is told to tithe in the new testament and show where tithing originated from in the Old Testament?
Disobedience will always open the dorr to SATAN.
The tithe was from the beginng was it not.
When you deny the word of God, you deny faith and it's teaching so you can not please the lord.
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deuteronomy 16:17 Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee.
Proverbs 3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Matthew 23:23 (Jesus speaking) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
One of the purposes of tithing is to teach and keep us focused on the LORD thy God�xo
Locusthoney, Thanks for the verse you provided. They are very compelling, but they are not in anyway connected with the tithe.
Here. Let me explain what the verses mean according to what you wrote and show that it was not a tithe (although some people teach them to be so), or anything remotely close to what tithing is of today in the churches.
You posted Acts 4:32-36
Acts 4:32 And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, BUT ALL THINGS WERE COMMON PROPERTY TO THEM. 33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34 FOR THERE WAS NOT A NEEDY PERSON AMONG THEM, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35 and lay them at the apostles� feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need. 36 Now Joseph, a Levite of Cyprian birth, who was also called Barnabas by the apostles (which translated means Son of [ab] Encouragement), 37 and who owned a tract of land, sold it and brought the money and laid it at the apostles� feet.
The reason WHY the believers sold what they had was to support the brethren and not to pay for salaries. This was done out of love for each other in the Lord but was not something that was considered as a tithe of any sort back then. It was a free will offering as the Lord willed, but nothing to be clear cut, or misconstrued as a tithe.
Then you posted Acts 5: 1-11 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife�s full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles� feet. 3 But Peter said, �Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart TO LIE to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, DID IT NOT REMAIN YOUR OWN? And after it was sold, WAS IT NOT UNDER YOUR CONTROL? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.� 5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6 The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.
ME: Let me interject here for a second. Most pastors usually teach this part of Acts 5 about not holding back money when tithing, but in truth, the text DOES NOT SAY THIS AT ALL. The texts strictly shows that Ananias and his wife could have done what ever they wished with the money before and after they sold it since it was theirs to begin with. The REAL REASON WHY THEY DIED IS BECAUSE THEY LIED WILLINGLY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT BY DECEIVING OTHERS BY SAYING THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY FOR A DIFFERENT SUM.
Notice how Ananias's wife does the same?
Acts 5:7 Now there elapsed an interval of about three hours, and his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter responded to her, �Tell me WHETHER YOU SOLD THE LAND FOR SUCH AND SUCH A PRICE?� And she said, �YES, THAT WAS THE PRICE.� 9 Then Peter said to her, �Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out as well.� 10 And immediately she fell at his feet and breathed her last, and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear came over the whole church, and over all who heard of these things.
ME: Again, this has nothing to do with tithing, but thank you.
Then you posted 1 Cor 16:1-23
I could post the whole thing, but let us be plain on this manner also. The "collection for the saints" that Paul is speaking about is for the famine that the churches volunteered to give to the saints in Jerusalem because of the famine that was there.
Act 11:28-30 And one of them named Agabus stood up and foretold by the Spirit that there would be a great famine over all the world (this took place in the days of Claudius). 29 So the disciples determined, everyone according to his ability, to send relief to the brothers living in Judea. 30 And they did so, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul.
It has NOTHING to do with the tithe.
Pj, yes. I did. And you, just like then, also failed to deliver a Scriptural response. You think you can try this now? Thanks, bro.
Jude, thanks for the verses, sister. But can I ask you something? Do you believe that the Old Covenant was for us or the Jews to keep? Because, if it was for the Jews, then the tithe you mentioned would be strictly for them since it was a command for them to give roughly TWENTY THREE PERCENT OF THEIR YEARLY INCOME according to the Law of Moses. Which brings to light another question. Where does the Christian get the 10% tithe idea from?
Even the Deuteronomy verses you provided was for the Festival tax that the Lord institutes for them. So, those verses, although meant well, had nothing do to with the Christian covenant.
Also, Matthew 23:33 shows that Jesus is speaking to Jews who were obligated UNDER THE LAW to tithe. Jesus rebuked those who were giving what was required, but neglected the mercy and faith. It is certainly something that is used to promote tithing in churches, but has nothing to do with it considering there is no New Covenant command to keep an Old Covenant practice.
Oh, the 2 Corinthians 9:7 verse is about the same Famine support fund for the saints in Jerusalem still. And even if we look at that as a "tithe", we still don't see a CONTINUOUS MANDATE in Scripture, because the Famine did not last enough for the saints to do this for years on end.
Thank you all for your contribution thus far, brethren. It is all appreciated.
Since we as Gentiles that have accepted Christ Jesus as Lord and Saviour are grafted into Israel�and into the Body of Christ Jesus and are now under Grace and have Liberty�and every man shall be judged of it�choice to observe or not�to eat or not�to tithe or not�if a Christian chooses to tithe to the LORD what matter is it of another that doesn�t ???�xo
Sister Jude. Good question. It makes no difference, but for those under the New Covenant, the obligation, or command does not apply. And since we see that the Jew was required to give 30% to the Temple, then whom ever chooses to do follow it must also give as the Law commands.
But for the Christian, tithing is unscriptural. Christians gave to each other so that no one within the assembly was lacking. Sadly, tithing is so widely taught, and down right preached on in some places that it neglects the believers within the body who do have a legitimate need in order to pay for bills of the building and the pastor who preaches in it.
I merely made this to show that we, who say that we must live by the book, don't really live by the book enough to research our most basic practices of the faith and yet call into question another believers life style.
Ya...it does not matter what others do concerning this or like matters...what matters is what we as individuals do...Yes...it makes sense...I have attended and seen many Churches that focus a great deal on tithing...its the first thing to do after the worship service or some before...the small homelike Churches seem to be more real about...the Joyful giving of one self in service...time...energy...and sometimes $$$...
I know this is out of context...however...it is "Purposed" in my heart...I give as the Spirit of the LORD leads...
2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Whose ordinance was this?
This was mentioned in Malachi but it was true in Genesis.
In the garden all was given to man except what?
Whose was the tree.
What was the lord's in genesis one was the same as it was in Malachi.
Tithing is not under the law it is the word of God.
Tithing has always been connected to The Blessing, it has never changed because the lord never changes.
Since you insist on resisting the lord and his word.
Search for the time he said this covenant will not be nullified.
Tell us who the tithe went to and what for?
Tell us the price of hardening your heart to the word of God.
Tell us why you will not go the lord and allow him to open your eyes to this truth.
7 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
4 Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils. 5 And those indeed of the sons of Levi who receive the priest�s office have commandment [a]in the Law to collect [b]a tenth from the people, that is, from their brethren, although these [c]are descended from Abraham. 6 But the one whose genealogy is not traced from them collected [d]a tenth from Abraham and [e] blessed the one who had the promises. 7 But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater. 8 In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives on. 9 And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
11 Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. 13 For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord [f]was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. 15 And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, 16 who has become such not on the basis of a law of [g] physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is attested of Him,
� You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.�
18 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. 20 And inasmuch as it was not without an oath 21 (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,
� The Lord has sworn
And will not change His mind,
�You are a priest forever��);
22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
23 [h]The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, 24 but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. 25 Therefore He is able also to save [i]forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.
Footnotes:
Hebrews 7:5 Lit according to
Hebrews 7:5 Or tithes
Hebrews 7:5 Lit have come out of the loins of
Hebrews 7:6 Or tithes
Hebrews 7:6 Lit has blessed
Hebrews 7:14 Lit has arisen from
Hebrews 7:16 Lit fleshly commandment; i.e. to be a descendant of Levi
Hebrews 7:23 Lit The greater number have become priests...
