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Could we STUDY this very interesting Scripture about Speaking and Praying in spirit!
Posted : 25 Dec, 2011 12:54 AM

Hello everyone:



The tpoic of speaking and praying in a tongue stirs up a lot of bad blood on this site.



Any way,i iwll begin the stirring of the pot of beef stew ( I like beef stew).



1Co 14:10 So it may be many kinds of sounds are in the world, and not one is without distinct sound.

1Co 14:11 If, then, I do not know the power of the sound, I will be a foreigner to the one speaking, and he speaking to me, a foreigner.

1Co 14:12 So also you, since you are zealots of spiritual things, seek to build up the assembly that you may abound.

1Co 14:13 So then, the one speaking in a language, let him pray that he may interpret.

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

1Co 14:15 What then is it? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the mind; I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the mind.

1Co 14:16 Else, if you bless in the spirit, the one occupying the place of the unlearned, how will he say the amen at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you say?

1Co 14:17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not built up.

1Co 14:18 I thank my God that I speak more languages than all of you.

1Co 14:19 But in an assembly I desire to speak five words with my mind, that I may also instruct others, than myriads of words in a foreign language.

1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your minds, but in malice be like infants, and in your minds be mature.





Let us have a few definitions of some words to help in making this clear.



English-Gifts

Greek-Charisma / 'GRACE'



G5486

χάρισμα

charisma

Thayer Definition:

1) a favour with which one receives without any merit of his own

2) the gift of divine grace

3) the gift of faith, knowledge, holiness, virtue

4) the economy of divine grace, by which the pardon of sin and eternal salvation is appointed to sinners in consideration of the merits of Christ laid hold of by faith

5) grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit

Part of Speech: noun neuter

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G5483





English-MIND / understanding

Greek-NOUS



G3563

νοῦς

nous

Thayer Definition:

1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining

1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding

1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil

1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially

2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: probably from the base of G1097





Enlish-UNFRUITFUL

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Could we STUDY this very interesting Scripture about Speaking and Praying in spirit!
Posted : 25 Dec, 2011 04:49 AM

Those that are carnally minded can not speak of spiritual matters, revealtion does not come by definiont's or confusion George.

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Could we STUDY this very interesting Scripture about Speaking and Praying in spirit!
Posted : 25 Dec, 2011 09:56 AM

Interesting thread. I know that this seems to be a touchy subject amongst our fellow brethren and usually turns out to be a "heated" discussion in the end due to "emotional (for lack of a better word)" bias on both ends. BUT I do believe that this can easily be discussed and learned from by all who participate and read if done with love and respect from ALL sides of the fence.











With that being said, I'd like to ask the topic writer to show me the first example of tongues being spoken of in Scripture with a clear and simple position that the tw (topic writer) has on the subject to show it as a clear standard to follow along in the 1 Corinthians 14 chapter.











Thank you and May the light and love of out Lord and Savior be in and upon all who read, and participate in this.







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I've stated this in your other thread and will link them together so that people will not get confused:



http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=13801&forum_sub_cat_id=14&start=0

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