Thread: Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 13 Nov, 2011 10:00 PM
How could any shred of truth come out of a doctrine that this evil man came up with?? Oh yeah I am sure its all lies right?
Calvin's Reign of Terror
After some negotiation, Ami Perrin, commissioner for Geneva, persuaded Calvin to return. He did so, though unwillingly, on September 13, 1541. His entry was modest. Geneva was a church-city-state of 15,000 people, and the church constitution now recognized "pastors, doctors, elders and deacons," but the supreme power was given to the magistrate, John Calvin. In November 1552, the Council declared Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religionto be a "holy doctrine which no man might speak against." Thus the State issued dogmatic decrees, the force of which had been anticipated earlier, as when Jacques Gruet, a known opponent of Calvin, was arrested, tortured for a month and beheaded on July 26, 1547, for placing a letter in Calvin's pulpit calling him a hypocrite. Gruet's book was later found and burned along with his house while his wife was thrown out into the street to watch. Gruet's death was more highly criticized by far than the banishment of Castellio or the penalties inflicted on Bolsec -- moderate men opposed to extreme views in discipline and doctrine, who fell under suspicion as reactionary. Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva. The iron yoke could not be shaken off. In 1555, under Ami Perrin, a revolt was attempted. No blood was shed, but Perrin lost the day, and Calvin's theocracy triumphed. John Calvin had secured his grip on Geneva by defeating the very man who had invited him there, Ami Perrin, commissioner of Geneva.
John Calvin - Wikipedia Encyclopedia
John Calvin - Catholic Encyclopedia
John Calvin - MSN Encarta Encyclopedia
Calvin forced the citizens of Geneva to attend church services under a heavy threat of punishment. Since Calvinism falsely teaches that God forces the elect to believe, it is no wonder that Calvin thought he could also force the citizens of Geneva to all become the elect. Not becoming one of the elect was punishable by death or expulsion from Geneva. Calvin exercised forced regeneration on the citizens of Geneva, because that is what his theology teaches.
Michael Servetus, a Spaniard, physician, scientist and Bible scholar, was born in Villanova in 1511. He was credited with the discovery of the pulmonary circulation of the blood from the right chamber of the heart through the lungs and back to the left chamber of the heart. He was Calvin's longtime friend in their earlier resistance against the Roman Catholic Church. Servetus, while living in Vienne (historic city in southeastern France), angered Calvin by returning a copy of Calvin's writings, Institutes,with critical comments in the margins. Servetus was arrested by the Roman Catholic Authorities on April 4 but escaped on April 7, 1553. He traveled to Geneva where he attended Calvin's Sunday preaching service on August 13. Calvin promptly had Servetus arrested and charged with heresy for his disagreement with Calvin's theology. The thirty-eight official charges included rejection of the Trinity and infant baptism. Servetus was correct in challenging Calvin's false teaching about infant baptism for salvation, but he was heretical in his rejection of the doctrine of the Trinity. Servetus pleaded to be beheaded instead of the more brutal method of burning at the stake, but Calvin and the city council refused the quicker death method. Other Protestant churches throughout Switzerland advised Calvin that Servetus be condemned but not executed. Calvin ignored their pleas and Servetus was burned at the stake on October 27, 1553. John Calvin insisted that his men use green wood for the fire because it burned slower. Servetus was screaming as he was literally baked alive from the feet upward and suffered the heat of the flames for 30 minutes before finally succumbing to one of the most painful and brutal death methods possible. Servetus had written a theology book, a copy of which Calvin had strapped to the chest of Servetus. The flames from the burning book rose against Servetus' face as he screamed in agony.
John Calvin celebrated and bragged of his killing of Servetus. Many theological and state leaders criticized Calvin for the unwarranted killing of Servetus, but it fell on deaf ears as Calvin advised others to do the same. Calvin wrote much in following years in a continual attempt to justify his burning of Servetus. Some people claim Calvin favored beheading, but this does not fit charges of heresy for which the punishment, as written by Calvin earlier, was to be burning at the stake. Calvin had made a vow years earlier that Servetus would never leave Geneva alive if he were ever captured, and Calvin held true to his pledge. Truly John Calvin is burning in Hell for his heresy, blasphemy of God and murder of many.
Another victim of Calvin's fiery zeal was Gentile of an Italian sect in Geneva, which also numbered among its adherents Alciati and Gribaldo. More or less Unitarian in their views, they were required to sign a confession drawn up by Calvin in 1558. Gentile signed it reluctantly, but in the upshot he was condemned and imprisoned as a perjurer. He escaped only to be incarcerated twice at Berne where, in 1566, he was beheaded. Calvin also had thirty-four (34) women burned at the stake after accusing them of being witches who caused a plague that had swept through Geneva in 1545. The number of people murdered by John Calvin has been a dispute -- not the fact that he murdered them. Calvinists reject the references describing John Calvin's reign of terror because they worship him. John Calvin's actions were very paganistic like his mentor, Saint Augustine. Jesus and all of the Apostles would have abhorred and condemned these blatant mass murders.
Puritanism - Written and researched by Margaret Odrowaz-Sypniewska, B.F.A.
"Calvin and Farel returned on September 13, 1541 and re-established their theocracy. Between 1542-1546, they banished seventy-six (76) and fifty-eight (58) executions took place, including thirty-four (34) women, who were burned at the stake for spreading the plague by magical means."
John Calvin: His Life in Geneva - A Bible Study Resource.
Calvin: A Biography by Bernard Cottret.
"9. (page 180) February 1545 - "Freckles" Dunant dies under torturewithout admitting to the crime of spreading the plague. His body was then dragged to the middle of town and burned.
10. (page 180) 1545 - Following the incident with Dunant, several more men and women were apprehended including a barber and a hospital supervisor who had "made a pact with the devil."
11. (page 180) March 7, 1545 - Two women executed by burning at the stake (presumably for the crime of sorcery, i.e. spreading the plague). CALVIN INTERCEDED apparently to have them executed sooner rather than later after additional time in prison. The Council followed his directive happily and urged the executioner to "be more diligent in cutting off the hands of malefactors."
12. (page 180) 1545 - more executions, tortures carefully watched to prevent death. Most of the tortured refused to confess. Means of death varied a little to include decapitation. All under the crime of spreading the plague. Some committed suicide in their cells to avoid torture, afterward the rest were handcuffed. One woman then through herself through a window.
13. (page 208) 1545 - CALVIN HAD the magistrates seize Belot, an Anabaptist (against infant baptism) for stating that the Old Testament was abolished by the New. Belot was chained and tortured.
14. (page 180) May 16, 1545 - The last execution concerning the plague outbreak, bringing the total dead to 7 men and 24 women. A letter from CALVIN attests to 15 of these women being burned at the stake. CALVIN'S only concern was that the plague had not come to his house.
15. (page 189) April 1546 - Ami Perrin put on trial for refusing to testify against several friends who were guilty of having danced. She was incarcerated for refusal to testify.
16. (page 190) July 1546 - Jacques Gruet was accused of writing a poster against Calvin. He was arrested and tortured until he admitted to the crime. He was then executed."
The citizens of Geneva hated John Calvin as he clearly stated. In 1554 Calvin wrote "Dogs bark at me on all sides. Everywhere I am saluted with the name of 'heretic,' and all the calumnies that can possibly be invented are heaped upon me; in a word, the enemies among my own flock attack me with greater bitterness than my declared enemies among the papists." Calvin, quoted in Schaff, History, volume 8, page 496. The history of John Calvin's reign of terror in Geneva is undisputed. Calvin himself kept historical records that have survived to this day.
John Calvin had no love, compassion, patience or tolerance for those who did not believe his Institutes. Criticism of Calvin's Instituteswas considered heresy for which the sentence was death by burning at the stake. To his dying day Calvin preached and taught from his works. By no means an aged man, he was worn out in these frequent controversies. On April 25, 1564, he made his will, leaving 225 French crowns, of which he bequeathed ten to his college, ten to the poor, and the remainder to his nephews and nieces. His last letter was addressed to Farel. He was buried without pomp in a spot which is not now ascertainable. In the year 1900 a monument of expiation was erected to Servetus in the Place Champel. Geneva has long since ceased to be the center of Calvinism.
John Calvin's murder of people who held different doctrinal views, his failure to acknowledge or repent from his sins, his incomplete gospel, his placing of his own writings above the Bible, his distortion of God and the Scriptures, and his dependence upon infant baptism places into question his salvation. In all of his writings is not found a clear declaration of his salvation by faith in the birth, life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Calvin was a cruel, murderous tyrant who considered himself to be the pope of Geneva. The Bible never advocates harming an individual due to his unbelief or lack of understanding. Jesus taught to "turn the other cheek" instead. None of the Apostles taught action against unbelievers but instead taught the believer to seek them out and present the gospel in love.
Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."
John Calvin showed no signs of being a regenerate man. He became more murderous and cruel during his rule in Geneva. He showed no inclination to be conformed to the image of Christ as described in Scripture for those who have been saved. Notice that Romans 8:29 below says we are "predestined to be conformed to His Son" and does not say we are predestined to be saved as taught by Calvin.
Romans 8:29For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to] [be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
One should not have to study the works of John Calvin but should study his life first in order to arrive at the conclusion that he was an ungodly man who could only produce a distorted doctrine that opposes the true teachings of Scripture. Calvin's actions were directly opposed to the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles.
Matthew 10:14 "And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet."
James 3:17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 11:51 AM
One should not have to study the works of John Calvin but should study his life first in order to arrive at the conclusion that he was an ungodly man who could only produce a distorted doctrine that opposes the true teachings of Scripture. Calvin's actions were directly opposed to the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles.
*** Yup !!!...History...Church and Other...carry much Truths that Many disregard and toss by the wayside...Good post Alisha...of Historical Fact...Be Blessed...xo
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 12:17 PM
Servetus came to Geneva in August 1553 and attended a Sunday church service with Calvin in the pulpit. He was recognized and arrested on Calvin's initiative.[citation needed] And, while Calvin also wrote the heresy charges, Geneva's city council did far more to steer Servetus' trial, sentence, and burning at the stake.[17][15] Calvin asked the council for a more humane execution � beheading instead of the stake � but his appeal was denied,[17] and the sentence carried out on 27 October 1553. Servetus was burned along with every available copy of his final work, De Trinitatis Erroribus, only three known copies of which survived � two in Calvin's own possession
I know it seems archane to some minds but I do not believe there is anything unrighteous about public blasphemy being a capital offense. If the civil magistrate codifies a law to that effect and executes a man according to that law for its good to society then it is the magistrate using the sword to be a terror to evil.
Now, inevitably this might cause us to transpose the situation upon a pluralistic society and be concerned that a secularist would be setting the rules for what is blasphemy and who would be put to death for it.
But, in the case of Calvin, he did not kill the man. He had him duly arrested for a crime that was on the books and the magistrate put him to death according to their laws. In the case of a man spreading a false doctrine of the Trinity it would be hard for an orthodox Christian to argue that it was not blasphemy and the real question at that point would be whether or not it is inherently unrighteous to still punish blasphemy with death or even punish it at all (since even America has had blasphemy laws).
I know you want more details as to the circumstances but I'm just trying to interact on this issue a bit. I understand that the unbeliever will always use this as a reason to question the goodness of Calvin's character but, in my mind, I can't really find any fault in him over this episode.
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 01:41 PM
@Donna, so you say, but this is what the artical says.
and I think where there is smoke well there is fire, if it walks like a duck and so on, John Calvin was an ungodly man he was worse than ungodly he was just out right evil. He tried to force people to be regenerated??? Of corse that makes sence to yall cause you think God forces us to regenerate this is false dactrine and you my dear sister (?) have been majorly decieved godlieness and truth do not come from such an ungodly murderer I am sorry but it just doesnt.
I trulyhope that God opens your eyes and that you can lay down your prise and see how wrong and decieved you are, because I really want you and everyone else for that matter to make heaven
John Calvin celebrated and bragged of his killing of Servetus. Many theological and state leaders criticized Calvin for the unwarranted killing of Servetus, but it fell on deaf ears as Calvin advised others to do the same. Calvin wrote much in following years in a continual attempt to justify his burning of Servetus. Some people claim Calvin favored beheading, but this does not fit charges of heresy for which the punishment, as written by Calvin earlier, was to be burning at the stake. Calvin had made a vow years earlier that Servetus would never leave Geneva alive if he were ever captured, and Calvin held true to his pledge. Truly John Calvin is burning in Hell for his heresy, blasphemy of God and murder of many.
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 03:44 PM
"But, in the case of Calvin, he did not kill the man. He had him duly arrested for a crime that was on the books and the magistrate put him to death according to their laws. In the case of a man spreading a false doctrine of the Trinity it would be hard for an orthodox Christian to argue that it was not blasphemy and the real question at that point would be whether or not it is inherently unrighteous to still punish blasphemy with death or even punish it at all (since even America has had blasphemy laws)."
Donna, here is where we part. I believe that Jean Cauvin was a heretic, because he was too involved in the governments of men. "COME YE OUT FROM AMONG THEM AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING!"
Cauvin's handling of the Servetus matter is what has led to the inhumane waterboarding of today, by the false church.
Look at these murderous Christian hypocrites like John Ashcroft and George W. Bush, who have sent hundreds of thousands to war for the international bankers and the Fiat and Oil Cartel; and today Michelle Bachman and Herman Cain, who said only a day or two ago that they support waterboarding.
Herman Cain went so far as to say that he would consider an appointment as the Secretary of Defense, boasting: "That would be one [position] that I could get excited about to help the generals and commanders on the ground to get what they need to do what they do best - which is to kick the you-know-what out of eveybody in the world if something breaks out - around - in other parts of the world."
True believers in Jesus Christ are not to be engaged in developing the government of Caesar, and in murdering the people of the world, such as these nasty imposters, aka "Christians", are doing today. They along with the Jews, brought the black man to these shores and enslaved him with chains, because they wanted his lifeforce to enrich themselves. They compelled them into their fields, and the Indian off his land; and today these demons are still out to deceive the whole of mankind, by declaring themselves to be under the banner of "American exceptionalism", which is nothing more than a license to abuse the remainder of mankind to steal the resources of earth in the Name of God.
What damnable heresy is this which you support, which affords some men to live better than others?
Jean Cauvin was a vile and wicked man, as his involvement in Servetus' death proves. Quit trying to make Christianity appear as being anything other than a hypocrite religion. It doesn't matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, it is still a pig.
Jesus was clear to Peter, "put up the sword"..
You are confused with a sect of false Christianity, as I was years ago..
May the Lord set you free, so that you will, for no reason, think, as Peter once did, that violence is acceptable behavior for a true child of the Lord.
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 04:14 PM
From the Thesaurus ~ Noun 1. Jean Cauvin - Swiss theologian (born in France) whose tenets (predestination and the irresistibility of grace and justification by faith) defined Presbyterianism (1509-1564) Jean Caulvin, Jean Chauvin, John Calvin, Calvin
*** :applause:...You are Absolutly Correct wiseman...xo
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 02:18 AM
If these were the law of the land today, there would be alot less heresy.
to be so prideful to judge calvin who called the authorities on a servetus for breaking the law of the land.
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 06:39 AM
No Donna it is not at all prideful, we are to Judge all things anf if history is correct anf his writings correct he does not write as a man that knew God, the doctrine is no where in the bible.
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 07:25 AM
@ Donna Jean Calvin did more than call the authorities, he wrote the laws that cause what the mad said to be illeagle and that decided his punishment
Absolutly no wonder why that sometimes the reformers come off so mean and nasty to those that disagree with them , they got it honest (from the daddy of their doctrine)
Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 01:32 PM
i am sorry Elisha i have never read such a thing. I have read the account, and John Calvin was a preacher. Servatus was a wanted man by the protestants and the catholics for heresy, he showed up in Calvins church and he summoned the authorities.
