Author	Thread: Major Reasons For the Falling Away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4
Admin	Major Reasons For the Falling Away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 Posted : 30 Oct, 2011 08:27 AM Two influences that originated in England during the 19th century, and gained great momentum in the U.S. have contributed a great deal to the falling away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 and to church Christians being deceived by false prophets as shown in Matthew 24: 11, I Timothy 4: 1-2, II Timothy 4: 3-4, and II Peter 2: 1-3. These two influences were dispensationalism and the Westcott-Hort Greek text of 1881 which they created to unseat the Textus Receptus and the King James Version. Both influences gradually weakened faith. As Luke 13: 21 says these influences as leaven were hid in most of evangelical Christianity until "the whole was leavened." The two influences worked together to undermine faith in the word of God; the influences were additive in weakening faith in God and in his word. This does not mean that all followers of dispensationalism have used new translations based upon the Westcott-Hort. But - since most church Christians have been using the New Translations based upon Westcott-Hort, this meant that most dispensationalists also used the same translations, since the majority of church Christians are followers of dispensationalism to some extent. Although some dispensationalists use the King James Version, the influence of Westcott-Hort has not been overcome at all. And - many Christians in the reformed camp also use the Westcott-Hort derived versions. In fact, the Reformed people in the churches, or most of them, defend the entire church as the beast of Revelation 17: 9-11 against those who have heeded Revelation 18: 4 and have come out of "her." So, the purpose of this thread is to support the Textus Receptus-King James Version, and to show that the wrecking machine that is Westcott-Hort is something to get off of, to come out of "her" as Revelation 18: 4 says, so that those who come out of the Westcott-Hort influence are not partakers of her sins and do not receive her plagues. Revelation 18: 4 is a call to come out of the apostate system - but Westcott-Hort helped make it aposrtate. Post Reply
View Profile History	Major Reasons For the Falling Away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 Posted : 30 Oct, 2011 08:31 AM Dean Gotcher, the authority on the use of the dialectic in society and in Christian discourse, on his website, http://www.authorityresearch.com/ARTICLES_Other/Source of the King James Bible.htm says "Faith does not come by hearing mans opinion of God's word (there is no certainty, conviction, or conversion in opinions), but rather faith comes by hearing God's word itself. It is important you know (you are certain) that what you are hearing, reading, studying, preaching, and teaching is God's word. "Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the God." Jesus quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 What eventually became entitled the Textus Receptus or the "received text" (1633) was first presented by Erasmus (Novum Instrumentum omne, 1516). It was compiled from several manuscripts from the 'Majority text,' i.e. the Byzantine (Syrian) text, which were a large number of manuscripts and fragments originally protected by the eastern church from the western church's (Roman Catholics church's) efforts to destroy them, and therefore were not accessible to the western world until after the 1453 conquest of Constantinople by the Ottoman Empire. By Christians fleeing from the east into the west, these guarded manuscripts were eventually accessible to western scholars. Today there is a major move to confuse the Protestant Church and bring it back under Roman Catholic rule (the "ecumenical" movement). By discrediting the use of the Textus Receptus as God's Word, examining (and thus negating) the Word of God in the "light" of Gnostic text, the Protestant Church is being seduced, deceived, and manipulated, drawn away from the preaching and teaching of sound doctrine and into the dialoguing of mans opinions. The Alexandrian and Origen text (Gnostic texts) are the basis for almost all contemporary translations. Oregenes Adamantius 185-245 AD, was a Greek, Egyptian-born Gnostic writer, teacher, & mystic, who, with his contingent of scribes, synthesized philosophical teachings into the scriptures (which no longer made them God's word but rather the opinions of men, needing enlightened men thereon to interpret them). These Gnostic texts, with their humanistic, philosophical base, have opened the churches and seminaries up to humanistic reasoning (higher criticism or vain speculations) and dialogue, with the opinions of men in control of the meaning of God and His Word. Almost all translations today carry this error (heresy). Most Christians who detected the error of the "Church Growth Movement," the emergent church, etc. were using translations from the Textus Receptus (King James, Geneva, Tyndale, Luther, etc. bibles) They discerned the compromise, i.e. the structural change of the word of God, and the resulting humanism being practiced within the "contemporary" church, by their having been raised in Churches using translations from the Textus Receptus." Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Major Reasons For the Falling Away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 Posted : 30 Oct, 2011 12:39 PM Very interesting article. I have been in a lot of reformed churches, and never heard of this. Post Reply
View Profile History	Major Reasons For the Falling Away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 Posted : 30 Oct, 2011 03:11 PM � Matthew 24:3,9-13:� The disciples asked Jesus, �What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered�.. {During the 1260-day Great Tribulation} �Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU* will be hated by all nations because of Me.� At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST* will grow cold,{THE GREAT APOSTASY} but he {The Called, Chosen & Faithful-Rev 17:14b} who stands firm to the End will be saved.� The pre-tribbers claim that the "YOU" in Matthew 24:9 above are Jews only and that much of Matthew was only written for Jews like Matthew chapters 5-7. Which is of course completely ridiculous since Jesus said to His 11 Apostles in Matthew 28:19,20 �Go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*�teaching them to obey *EVERYTHING* I commanded you!�� {Read John 12:48 & John 14:23}� I John 2:3,4,6:� �We know that we have come to know Him {Jesus} if we obey His� commands.� The man who says, �I know Him,� but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him� Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.� According to Rev 12:17 the Tribulation Saints will also �Hold to the testimony of Jesus!� � Now the pre-tribbers claim that the phrase �His elect� in Matt 24:31 & Mark 13:27 refers only to Jews which is, of course, ridiculous and is refuted in Romans 10:12: �For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile�the same Lord is Lord of all.� Galatians 3:28,29: �There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise!!� Read Ephesians 2:11-22!! See �GOD'S ELECT� in 2 Tim 2:10, Titus 1:1 and 1 Peter 1:1,2. Hebrews 11:39,40: These {OT saints mentioned in Heb 11:4-38} were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planed something better for US {NT Saints} so that only TOGETHER WITH US {NT saints} WOULD THEY {OT saints} BE MADE PERFECT.�{Receive new heavenly bodies-See I Cor 15:49-52 & Hebrews 11:10,14-16 & Daniel 12:1,2,7b} Post Reply