The Scriptures themselves particularize who it is for whom Christ died. The beneficiaries of Christ�s cross work are denominated in the following ways:
�The house of Israel, and the house of Judah,� that is, the church or �true Israel� (Jer. 31:31; Luke 22:20; Heb. 9:15);
his �people� (Matt. 1:21);
his �friends� (John 15:13);
his �sheep� (John 10:11, 15);
his �body,� the �church� (Eph. 5:23�26; Acts 20:28)
; the �elect� (Rom. 8:32�34);
the �many� (Isa. 53:12; Matt. 20:28; 26:28; Mark 10:45);
�us� (Titus. 2:14); and �me� (Gal. 2:20).
NOWHERE does the Bible say that Jesus died for everyone who ever lived.
Christ�s High-Priestly Work Restricted to the Elect
It is highly unlikely that Christ�s high-priestly work of sacrifice and intercession, two parts of one harmonious work, would be carried out with different objects in view�the former (the sacrifice) for all mankind, the latter (the intercession) for only some people. Since Jesus expressly declared that his intercessory work is conducted not in behalf of the world but for the elect (�I am not praying for the world,� he said, �but for those you [the Father] have given me,� and later he prayed, �My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message� [John 17:9, 20; see Luke 22:31�32], that is, for God�s elect [see Rom. 8:32�34]), consistency of purpose demands that his sacrificial work would be conducted in behalf of the same group for whom he carries out his intercessory work. It is difficult to believe that Christ would refuse to intercede for a portion of those for whose sin he, by his blood, made expiation!
You remind me of watching my 3 year old nephew trying to Open a �Childproof� Bottle! Or better yet�watching a mouse scurry around a maze�passing the Door that has the Cheese several times and Pausing�yet...rejecting that door�it moves on�only to come back to that door�to reject it and so on and so on.
I Really � Truly Believe that you have the Onset of Dementia!
(your words) ��NOWHERE does the Bible say that Jesus died for everyone who ever lived.�
�Jimmy�me boy�!
We�ve gone over this so Many Times. Here is One piece of Scripture (of course you know there�s more)
2 Peter 3:9
New International Version (NIV)
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
�� not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.�
I know this is hard for you. Put down that bottle of ENSURE�go get your �Comfy� Blanket and have a Seat in Mom�s Big Chair (go ahead�it�s alright...she won�t mind) and Pay Attention.
��, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.�
Means
��, not wanting ANYONE to perish, but EVERYONE to come to repentance.�
Would you like for me to use those Big Cards that Mommy uses to teach you �Table Manners�?
James�this is RIDQLOUS. You are not a child�but you are acting as one.
The �closing� statement is also �Ludicrous�
�It is highly unlikely that Christ�s high-priestly work of sacrifice and intercession, two parts of one harmonious work,��
��two parts of one harmonious work,��
This guy must be your Imbecilic Twin Brother! The Sacrifice�IS THE INTERCESSION!
That�s like saying��That Injection of Penicillin you got that cured that Rash of yours�� is ��two parts of one harmonious work,�� The Penicillin and the Cure. The Penicillin is THE CURE!
Then this �person� goes on to say that Christ was
��not praying for the world,� he said, �but for those you [the Father] have given me,� and later he prayed, �My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message���
Talk about taking something �out of Context�? This �supposedly� is speaking about �the elect�. Nothing could be farther from The TRUTH. Christ was Praying for The Ones that His Father (God) KNEW Would Believe in Jesus and that God HAD GIVEN TO JESUS!
James�as I�ve said before�I play this Sick Game with you�not for your sake (for I have come to Believe that you are Too Far Gone)�but for those that might be Reading this. It is for Them that I do this�so that they may Know The Truth.
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
James replies:
This was written TO CHRISTIANS. As such God wants everyone of HIS ELECT to come to repentance.
If I write "I am sick of PhillipJohn's one liner complaints, and I think everyone knows what I mean."
Well, who is "everyone" in that sentence?
EVERYONE WHO IS ON THIS GROUP,
NOT EVERYONE WHO EVER LIVED!!
As Jesus said, He died for "the ones the Father gave Him."
James Do you know how a christian knows what you say is not true, they have the spirit of God on the inside of them confirming to them the truth, but then some will try and tell you as well that you can not hear and know the voice of the lord.
Of course you should be sick of hearing what I say James it is unhealthy to deny the living word of God and your mind is wearing you out from stepping in front of your spirit.
:glow:..James are you SAVED ???...Do you Believe you are Saved in Christ Jesus...an Elect or are you One of the Ones GOD created for Distruction & Hell as you post ???...just asking for Clarification...xo
"New International Version (NIV) 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
James replies: "This was written TO CHRISTIANS. As such God wants everyone of HIS ELECT to come to repentance.""
So the Lord is telling all Christians that He doesn't want them to perish but to come to repentance. If you're a Christian, you've already repented and eternal life is yours. So it can't be written to Christians, as such, but to sinners. If it's an 'elect' verse, why do you say "God wants everyone of HIS ELECT to come to repentance."? "Wants"? It's gonna happen, regardless. Remember? God created them for eternal life. Their salvation is a done deal. They are just waiting on the Lord to become born-again. And why would God need to patient about this? It's in His time that He zaps the 'elect' and they're saved. No need for patience. Just take the verse for what it says, James, instead of Calvin's messed up definitions of "anyone" and "everyone".
I'd be interested too in your answer to Jude's question. How do you know for sure you are one of the 'elect'?
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
James replies:
This was written TO CHRISTIANS. As such God wants everyone of HIS ELECT to come to repentance. (end quote)
Well, to begin with�you are correct in saying that this was Written to Christians�but of more importance is
�That if God elected these �Christians� that God is ��patient with�� and if God has �ASSURED� that these Christians WILL BE SAVED�
Then why the �Need� to be Patient? Is God not in TOTAL CONTROL and Causes Everything to Occur (as you and all your Calvinist Fool-o-wers believe)? If God does FORCE�sorry�Causes EVERYTHING to Occur�then why The Need for Patience?
I mean is God Playing a Game with Himself?
James,
Why do you Continue with This NONSENSE? Do you not See the Absurdity of what you claim?
�That God Needs to be Patient in FORCING�sorry�Causing those that He has Already DECIDED Will Be Saved to Believe and Obey?�
Can Anything be MORE ABSURD? Did you not Think before Choosing (of your Own Free Will) this piece of Scripture? Or perhaps
�God Made You Do It?� LOL!
�GOD MADE ME DO IT!� God Causes Everything To Happen! �GOD MADE ME DO IT!�
according to this prophecy below, Jesus took the sin of the world.
Jesus died for all people. But only a limited number of people accepts this salvation:
1 John 2:2, "and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world."
1 John 4:14, "And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world."
1 John 2
1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they[a] made His grave with the wicked�
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul,[b]and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
