Thread: Justification of sinners by trusting Yeshua 'ONLY;
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Justification of sinners by trusting Yeshua 'ONLY;
Posted : 13 Aug, 2011 06:51 AM
Hello everyone:
Mr.Nobody here,
There seems to be a BIG misunderstanding of what it is to be
Justified of sins by Trusting / Faithing,Yeshua ALONE.
Some say,a person needs to 'FIRST' Repent of their sins.
Then this person needs to trust Yeshua to Justify them of their sins.
I put forth FROM the Word of GOD that a person is JUSTIFED apart from any type of works at all.
This includes 'Repenting' of sin(s).
Either Salvation is the 'RESULTS' of a person 'REPENTING'
of their sin(s).
Or a persons being JUSTIFIED of sin(s) is completely based upon TRUSTING' YHWH to Justify the guilty ones,based completely upon trusting the COMPLETED work of Yeshua for their Salvation and for their Justification.
ET says:
Justification as according to Romans chapter 3 and chapater 4, only means that upon repentace of our sins God make us imputes Hi righteousness in us and we have legal standing before Him as saints instead of sinners.
Nobody:
Wrong again ET.
Mr.Nobody
Justification:
Greek:dikaioo
to show to be righteous, declare righteous
Original Word: δικαιόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dikaio�
Phonetic Spelling: (dik-ah-yo'-o)
Short Definition: I make righteous, defend the cause of, justify
Definition: I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.
Cognate: 1344 dikai�ō (from dikē, "right, judicial-approval") � properly, approved, especially in a legal, authoritative sense; to show what is right, i.e. conformed to a proper standard (i.e. "upright").
Since YHWH has declared man to be a 'Sinner' through the actions and life of Adam.
The sinful nature of Adam being given to every person being born of the seed of the man.
Man therefore needs someone to 'JUSTIFY' them;
And to also give them a'NEW NATURE'.
The only person which is able to Justify man,and give them a New Nature,is also the same person which gave this 'Command '
Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man and put him into the Garden of Eden, to work it and to keep it.
Gen 2:16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Eating you may eat of every tree in the garden;
Gen 2:17 but of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you may not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die.
Since man had not obeyed YHWH,the man was under the judgement of the command,Gen 2:17 but of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you may not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die.
Man died 'SPIRITUALLY' in the instance they had eaten of the 'TREE of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
Man did not die immediately,that happend rough 930 years later.
This death has been upon every person since Adams transgression / rebellion.
The very first proclomation of the Messiah / The One which would justify man is Genesis 3:16
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.
From this time until Messiah,YHWH had given more (About 300 Messianic Prophecies) proclomations what Messiah would be like,and who Messiah was.YHWH had spoken by His Prophets to the nation of Israel,which was an example to the Gentiles.
The one which would Justify sinful man,would Himself have to be free from Sin.
He would need to have a Sinless nature.
If He did not,How would this person be able to Condemn sinful man,and yet be able to JUSTIFY them also.
This is the reason Yeshua the SINLESS SON of GOD had to take upon Himself to BECOME a man,in order to live perfectly as a man.
In living perfectly as a man,Yeshua is able to Justify those which will 'TRUST' Him by 'FAITH ALONE' to not only
'DECLARE' them not guilty.
He will also 'MAKE' them not guilty.
Yeshua gives the believers the Life of GOD,and also a New Nature.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
2Co 5:17 So that if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new!
2Co 5:18 And all things are from God, the One having reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and having given to us the ministry of reconciliation,
Nobody:
IF GODs 'JUSTIFICATION' of 'SINFUL' men and women is dependant upon 'REPENTANCE' of sin and not 'TRUSTING YESHUA' to be saving them from the wrath of GOD against sin(s);
Then what we have is not 'THE GOSPEL of YESHUA'
We have a man made formula that cannot save,or change a person from being a Sinner in the sight of GOD to being an adopted son or daughter of YHWH.
Someone had written this :
Justification as according to Romans chapter 3 and chapater 4, only means that upon repentace of our sins God make us imputes Hi righteousness in us and we have legal standing before Him as saints instead of sinners.
This same person has also written this.
Justification was never meant to be a doctrine, and Paull never taught or preached the justification of Christ on the cross as a doctrine.
It is man who has taken God's word and His works and made man made doctrines out of them, this is why there is so much religious divide, bashing, confusion, hate, and strife among Christians beleivers... everybody preaching and teaching their own made-up doctrine of God's word ad His works
Nobody
Let us look at the BIBLICAL DOCTRINE of GODs JUSTIFICATION of man,by FAITH in YESHUA.
GODs JUSTIFICATION of sinful man as the New Covenant proclaims.
Rom_3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom_5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
No Rapture taught here.
Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1Corin 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal_3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
If we seek to be Justified by 'REPENTANCE OF SIN(s).
Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
My question to everyone here is this.
DEAD:
Greek:Nekros
dead
Original Word: νεκρός, ά, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: nekros
Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros')
Short Definition: dead, a corpse
Definition: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse.
3498 nekr�s (an adjective, derived from nekys, "a corpse, a dead body") � dead; literally, "what lacks life"; dead; (figuratively) not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions ("unable, ineffective, dead, powerless," L & N, 1, 74.28); unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.
How is a person which being Dead, unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.
How can this person possibly REPENT of sin.
This person first needs LIFE to some degree,then Conviction of sin begins.
Then they are given FAITH in Yehsua alone to Justify them of their sins.
Then after a person has been declared Justifed,they are then Saved.
After this a person begins REPENTING and confessing of their sin(s).
This can NEVER happen apart from FIRST TRUSTING Yeshua.
Anything apart from this is the workings of men which cannot save,nor justify anyone of their sin(s).
Justification of sinners by trusting Yeshua 'ONLY;
Posted : 13 Aug, 2011 07:07 AM
This post is as wrong as you would like to say all others are wrong and you are right.
The bible does not say one is in the family of God by trusting Jesus and no where does it say you are more spiritual by trying to be different, in America it is common and wholly acceptable to the lord to be called Jesus, it is not the work of the Holy Spirit that promotes such foolishness it is just the renewed mind of man.
What does the bible teach, how a man or woman comes from death unto life, it is always the same way by faith. When one uses the word trusting, it does not reveal or agree with the terminology used in the word of God.
Justification of sinners by trusting Yeshua 'ONLY;
Posted : 13 Aug, 2011 08:43 AM
George,
I've noticed you are growing and have come a long ways in the Word.
And Understanding the spiritual things of God's word, is powerful, because it is the Holy Spirit who REVEALS what God is speaking, and this does not come from YOUR or man's own INTERPRETATION of what you THINK God is speaking.
I think if you would just read Romans chapters 3-7, a couple fo times, and do nothing just read, but read it out loud to yourself, and think on what is being said... and let it all settle in your heart and mind as to what is being said... the Holy Spirit of God will then began to REVEAL to you what God is speaking.
God's word does not by Interpretation, by it comes by REVELATION... I think this is where your confusion lies, you are trying to interpret God's word with a carnal mind, and not spiritually. Also, God will casue confusion will you try yto use His word to argue and prove someone wrong in debate, this is not the purpose, His word is for learning and spirutal growth, not for arguments to prove someone wrong or yourself right. Now if you're trying to get a better spiritual understanding that's different, but God will cause your mind confusion if your purpose and intent isn't porperly meant.
I see You are repeating yourself because maybe you really are not understanding the process... BTW, what is your problem with repenting of your sins?
Again, when Jesus died on the cross for our sins, this was the work of God which provided us with the God's righteousness, not of ourselves but becasue of grace,, Jesus' dead brought us freedom from sins, but you cannot receive this freedom from your sins unless you REPENT and receive Jesus Christ work as being accomplished for YOUR sake and not His sake! Plain and simple... Jesus did the work on the cross for us, we can only receive it when we receive Him, we cannot receive Christ until we have faith to beive in Him, nd when we have faith to believe in Chirst, this bring us to repentance of our sins...
Justification of sinners by trusting Yeshua 'ONLY;
Posted : 13 Aug, 2011 02:43 PM
It took me a second to understand what you were really saying in your post, but when I thought back to my own �conversion� I realized you were right.
I am a Jewish girl who ever year faithfully �suffers my soul� on Yom Kippur with fasting and repenting for 24 hours. But the day I was �saved� I only called upon the name of the Lord. I was with my parents in a restaurant. Now my father being the good rabbi that he is, he and my mother were talking about YHWH. However first I must mention that my boyfriend of 5 years was murdered in December of 1990 and now this was February of 1991. As my parents were talking and like a normal 18 year old I was not paying much attention to what they were saying but I heard something in my head and He said �If you die today you will go to hell�. I honestly do not know how I know it was Y-shua but I did. Maybe the fact that Alex (the boyfriend) and I were invited to a Baptist church in June of 1990 the only time I had ever gone to a �Christian� church; we went to be polite. During the alter call Alex looked at me and said �I want to go down�. I thought he was crazy but I said ok so he went down and I stayed in my set. Maybe that is why I know it was Y-shua may be just because He is G-d and He is just like tat� nevertheless, right then and there in the restaurant I asked Him to be my Lord and Savior�under my breath of course� so no one could hear� I did not repent of any sin I just said �Please come into my heart and save me Y-shua!� No repentance of this sin and that sin my sin that was going to send me to hell was rejecting my Messiah. Now I still suffer my soul ever year on Yom Kippur and I do a lot more repenting then once a year but I know it was my rejection of Messiah that was going to send me to hell not all of my other my sins.
Justification of sinners by trusting Yeshua 'ONLY;
Posted : 14 Aug, 2011 06:30 AM
We seem to be getting confused with the �How� and �When� of Salvation.
Some want to �break it down� to the Nuts and Bolts and they write a Technical Journal �Explaining� just how it happens.
Others Simplify and just say Push this BUTTON and out here comes Salvation.
My Question to you is this.
Who would Know better�who would Understand better�who would be able to Explain better � what Justification and Salvation is and how it comes about?
Someone from this Forum or�
�the very Christians that Walked with Jesus�or with The Apostles�or with those Ordained by The Apostles? By those that were Willing and DID Die for their BELIEFS?
You can read what they had to say about Justification or you can read what some here have to say. You can read what those that were Taught by St. Paul himself had to say�or you can read someone�s Opinion here.
You can read how The Early Church INTERPRETED Scripture (they Had the Interpretation Given to them by Christ) or�how some here interpret Scripture.
Yes�I believe that it is as Simple as saying
�Lord�take Control of My Life�I Submit to Your WILL�Save Me!�
But�that is just the Beginning of your Long Walk with CHRIST.
The Path is Narrow and temptation lies on either side�beckoning you!
None of us can Earn Justification�it is a GIFT from Our Father; that He Bestows on us�when He Decides that we really Repented of our sins and have Accepted His Sanctifying GRACE!
In our prisons�Protestantism is the choice of the immates � it is Quick�Easy�and there is no need of any actual Repentence or Penance � it�s just �you and God�. Just ask for Salvation and �BOOM� you are Saved (Hallelujah). Most of them do not have a Clue as to just what Christianity means or is and just how a Christian is suppose to act�but�Hallelujah�they�re Saved!
Repentance (to me) means �turning your back� to sin � Rebuking it � and Vowing to never commit that sin again (although we oftentimes do). Also, part of Repentance is asking God for Forgiveness for having Offended Him�for Disappointing Him�for how our actions effected others.
An Act of Contrition shows and would be Expected if we are Truly Sincere (what can I do to Recompense anyone I have injured).
All of that would seem natural for anyone that is truly sorry for their actions.
God used to ask for Burnt Offerings�He no longer Desires them; what does God ask for today?
Mcubed, I am happy for you and Rejoice with you. Be very careful not to allow anyone to make you �Complacent� in your New Faith. Christianity is not a �Push this Button� Religion. While you cannot �work� your way into Heaven�there is still much �Work� for you to do before God says to you
Justification of sinners by trusting Yeshua 'ONLY;
Posted : 15 Aug, 2011 08:19 AM
Mr Nobody stated ~ Some say,a person needs to 'FIRST' Repent of their sins.
*** Jude says...it doesn't matter what some say...what matters is the Word of the LORD...which is contrary to what you are speaking concerning Repentance...Cant have Salvation with out it George...I believe you are speaking more about After that and the Relationship of Trusting in Him [Jesus]...xo
*** John the Baptist came to prepare the Path of the Lord Jesus 1st�
Matthew 3:1~ In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2~And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3~For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Then John the Baptist preached [[[ Repentance ]]]�
Mark 1:4~ John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of �repentance� for the remission of sins.
Luke 24:47~ And that �repentance� and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem
And then Jesus 1st Preached�
Mat 4:17~ �From that time Jesus* �began to preach,� and to say, [[[Repent:]]] for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
