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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 11 Aug, 2011 06:56 PM

It is the office of God the Holy Spirit in the covenant of redemption, after he has called a people out of the world, to place himself at their head in order to undertake their future guidance. He knows the path to heaven. He knows all its intricacies and dangers. He is familiar with the sunken rock, the treacherous quicksand, the concealed pit, and the subtle snare.



He also knows the individual and ordained path of each celestial traveler. All that God has appointed in the everlasting covenant�all the windings, and intricacy, and difficulties of the way�he knows. All the future of your history is infinitely more vivid and transparent to his mind than the past, already trodden, is to your own. It is utterly impossible, then, that he should mislead.



And what is equally as essential to him as a guide, he knows his own work in the soul. All its light and shade, its depressions and its revivings, its assaults and victories, are vivid to his eye. Dwelling in that heart�his sacred temple, his chosen abode�he reads his own writing inscribed there. He understands the meaning of every groan. He interprets the language of every sigh. He marks the struggling of every holy desire. He knows where wisely to supply a restraint, or gently to administer a rebuke, or tenderly to whisper a promise, or sympathetically to soothe a sorrow, in order effectually to aid a budding resolve, to strengthen a wavering purpose, or to confirm a vacillating hope.



But what, in less general terms, is it to be led by the Spirit? The existence of spiritual life in those he leads is an essential point assumed. He does not undertake to lead a spiritual corpse, a soul dead in sins.



Many are moved by the Spirit, who are not led by the Spirit. Was not Saul, the king of Israel, a solemn instance of this? And when it is said, "the Spirit of the LORD departed from him" (1 Sam. 16:14), we see how, in an ordinary way, the Spirit may strive with a man's natural conscience, and powerfully work upon his feelings through the Word, and even employ him as an agent to accomplish his will, and yet never lead him one step effectually and savingly to Christ and to heaven. There is, as in Ezekiel's vision of the bones, "there was a sound, and behold, a rattling, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. And I looked, and behold, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them. But there was no breath in them" (Ezek. 37:7�8).



But there is spiritual life in those whom the Spirit leads. They thus become in a sense voluntary in the movement. They are not forced; it is not by compulsion that they follow; they are led�persuasively, gently, willingly led. The leading of the Spirit, then, is his acting upon his own life in the soul.



It supposes, too, entire inability to lead themselves in those who are led by the Spirit: "I will lead the blind in a way that they do not know" (Isa. 42:16). And such are you. Unable to discern a single step before you, and incapable of taking that step even when discerned, you need the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Of yourself, what can you see of truth? What of providence? What of God's mind and will? Absolutely nothing. Oh, what displays of ignorance, what exhibitions of weakness, have marked some of the wisest of God's saints, when left to self-teaching and to self-guidance! Thus there is a strong and absolute necessity that wisdom, and strength, and grace, infinitely transcending your own, should go before you in your homeward journey.



by Octavius Winslow, 1856

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 11 Aug, 2011 08:08 PM

AMEN to all that!!!

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 12 Aug, 2011 07:53 AM

Do you know this post is carnally minded?

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 12 Aug, 2011 12:57 PM

Galatians 1:10,11 ~ Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ. I want you to know, PJ , that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 12 Aug, 2011 12:57 PM

Galatians 1:10,11 ~ Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ. I want you to know, PJ , that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 12 Aug, 2011 01:16 PM

:applause:....AMEN !!! to ALL that too...Thanxs Lady...Good Word...xo

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 12 Aug, 2011 02:20 PM

I agree with the statement but the proof is in what is said.



Just in the first paragraph Covenant of redemption, where is the covenant of redemption?



The holy Spirit does not arbitrarily do anything, he is our helper yes but it as men yield to him, and this is a growing process.





What is the soul as is referenced in the third paragraph.



We are responsible for every word we post. and the holy spirit will confirm that to a willing heart.



What are the consequences to giving a patient the wrong medicine?

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 12 Aug, 2011 02:20 PM

I agree with the statement but the proof is in what is said.



Just in the first paragraph Covenant of redemption, where is the covenant of redemption?



The holy Spirit does not arbitrarily do anything, he is our helper yes but it as men yield to him, and this is a growing process.





What is the soul as is referenced in the third paragraph.



We are responsible for every word we post. and the holy spirit will confirm that to a willing heart.



What are the consequences to giving a patient the wrong medicine?

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 14 Aug, 2011 01:40 PM

lThe Covenant of Redemption � with the second Adam (cf. Romans 5:12-21 & 1 Cor. 15:22,45)







The covenanting parties: God the Father & God the Son



Stipulations: Christ must be perfectly obedient as a man, and must pay for Adam�s sin.



Sanctions: As a reward for obedience, the Father will give the elect to the Son. Disobedience is impossible, because it is impossible for God to lie (Heb. 6:18).







How do we know the Father�s arrangement with the Son was a covenant?







1) Romans 5 & 1 Cor. 15 tell us that God�s arrangement with Christ was covenantal:







In Adam, we all fell covenantally. He was the federal head of the human race, and through his sin, every member of humanity fell into sin.







In Christ, we come to life covenantally. Christ is the federal head of the church, and through his righteousness, the elect are saved.







If we fell covenantally through the first Adam, then the parallelism of Romans 5:12-21 & 1 Cor. 15:21,45 suggests that our salvation also occurs covenantally. �For as by one man�s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man�s obedience many will be made righteous� (Romans 5:19). �For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive� (1 Cor. 15:21).











2) Zech. 6:13 � �The counsel of peace shall be between them both� (between the Father and the Son).







Then speak to him, saying, �Thus says the LORD of hosts, saying:



�Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH!



From His place He shall branch out,



And He shall build the temple of the LORD;



Yes, He shall build the temple of the LORD.



He shall bear the glory,



And shall sit and rule on His throne;



So He shall be a priest on His throne,



And the counsel of peace shall be between them both.��



(Zech. 6:12-13)







* Note: Who is the �Branch� in the passage above? The Branch is Christ (cf. Is. 4:2, 11:1; Jer. 23:5, 33:15; Zech. 3:8).











Why would there need to be a �counsel of peace� between the Father and the Son? Why would there need to be peace made between the �Lord of hosts� and the �Branch�? Peace is needed because the Son takes the elect to Himself, and has to pay for their sins. Christ didn�t have to purchase His own peace with the Father; rather, He purchased OUR peace with the Father. �Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ� (Rom. 5:1).











3) In Luke 22:29, Jesus refers directly to His covenant with the Father.







Jesus said, �And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as My Father bestowed one upon Me.� --- A clearer translation of this verse would be, �And I covenant upon you a kingdom, just as My Father covenanted one upon Me.�



Detailed discussion of the covenant concept in Luke 22:29:



The Greek word diatithemai is used 7 times in the New Testament, including two times in Luke 22:29. It is the root word for diatheke which is the Greek word for "covenant". It always carries the connotation of "making a covenant" or "making a testament", but sometimes the English translation of this word masks some of the richness of its meaning. Sometimes it is merely quoted "make", but it is significant to notice that this word diatithemai is only used in covenantal contexts. You have already seen Luke 22:29. Here are the other 5 diatithemai passages, all of which directly involve covenantal concepts:



� Acts 3:25 -- "Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made (diatithemai) with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed."



� Hebrews 8:10 -- "For this is the covenant that I will make (diatithemai) with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people"



� Hebrews 9:16 -- "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator (diatithemai)."



� Hebrews 9:17 -- "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator (diatithemai) liveth."



� Hebrews 10:16 -- "16This is the covenant that I will make (diatithemai) with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them"



In the KJV Bible, the English word "make" is used over 140 times. The words tithemi and kathistemi are used, among many others. But the only time the word diatithemai is translated "make" is in the covenantal passages above.



Now let's look again at Luke 22:29 -- Jesus said, "I appoint (diatithemai) unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed (diatithemai) unto me"



In the KJV, the English word "appoint" is used 4 times. The Greek word tithemi is translated "appoint" in Matthew 24:51, and in Luke 12:46. And the word "kathistemi" is translated "appoint" in Acts 6:3. --- Luke had various words at his disposal which meant "appoint", but he chose diatithemai here in Luke 22:29. Why? Because the word diatithemai specifically carries the connotation of covenant-making. Every time it is used in the Bible, it carries this meaning







4) Scripture tells us that the Father gave the Son things to do, and the Son accomplished those things in obedience.



* Look at Psalm 110 & Isaiah 53, as well as the following verses:



All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:37-40)



"But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.� (John 10:26-29)



�I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.� (John 17:4)

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 14 Aug, 2011 02:00 PM

I know about our covenant and redemption is a part of the covenant, it is not the covenant.



I understand the sin issue, and I also understand sin is not the problem but a symptom of the problem.

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"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).
Posted : 19 Aug, 2011 06:15 PM

Many would like to think that just being a �good� person and �loving� God, without an emphasis on doctrine, is preferable. But being a good person can mean radically different things depending on what someone thinks �good� is, or what constitutes a �person.� Loving God will look very different depending on one's conception of �God� or �love.� The fundamental connections between belief and behavior, and between love and knowledge, demand a rigorous pursuit of truth for those wanting to love God and to be godly. Hebrews 5:11�6:3 teaches that deepening theological understanding equips one to be able to differentiate good from evil, and it exhorts believers to mature in their knowledge of God and his ways:

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