Thread: **ARE JESUS, PAUL, JOHN AND DANIEL ALL POST-TRIBBERS??
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**ARE JESUS, PAUL, JOHN AND DANIEL ALL POST-TRIBBERS??
Posted : 10 Aug, 2011 01:24 PM
**ARE JESUS, PAUL, JOHN AND DANIEL ALL POST-TRIBBERS??
Will the resurrection of all saints and the lost occur on the same *LAST DAY* of the Great Tribulation??
**IS *PAUL* A POST-TRIBBER??
2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire�.� He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�:applause:
**IS *JOHN* A POST-TRIBBER??
JOHN 6:40 "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the **LAST DAY**":applause:
John 12:48: "There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My Words; that very Word which I spoke will condemn him at the **LAST DAY**"
John 5:28:"A time is coming when:rolleyes: *ALL* who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out--those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned!"
**IS DANIEL A POST-TRIBBER??
Daniel 12:1b,2,7b: "There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. {The Great Tribulation} But at that time {The LAST DAY} your people--everyone:rolleyes: whose name is found written in the {Lamb's} Book--will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt!....It will be for a time, times and half a time { 3 1/2 times or 1260 days or 42 months-See Rev 13:5 & Dan 7:25}} ...*ALL* THESE THINGS WILL BE **COMPLETED**!!"
**IS JESUS A POST-TRIBBER??
� Matthew 24:3,9-13:� The disciples asked Jesus, �What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered�.. {During the 1260-day Great Tribulation} �Then *YOU*:rolleyes: will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU* will be hated by all nations because of Me.� At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST* will grow cold,{THE GREAT APOSTASY} but he:rolleyes: {The Called, Chosen & Faithful-Rev 17:14b} who stands firm to the End will be saved.�
Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, �Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky.� {Luke 21:28 adds �When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads:rolleyes:, because your redemption is drawing near.�} Then the nations will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7TH & LAST} *TRUMPET* CALL and they will gather *His elect* from the 4 winds {Mark 13:27b adds:} �from the ends of the earth {Saints on earth} to� the ends of the Heavens {Saints in Heaven}!!�
Matt 25:31-34,41:� Jesus says, �*WHEN* the Son of Man comes in His glory,{On the *LAST DAY*} and all the angels with Him {See Matt 24:29-31 above}, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory.� All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another��He will put His sheep on His right and the goats on the left. *THEN* the King {Jesus} will say to those on His right, �Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... *THEN* He will say to those on His left, �Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire!��� :applause::angel::peace:
**ARE JESUS, PAUL, JOHN AND DANIEL ALL POST-TRIBBERS??
Posted : 10 Aug, 2011 03:59 PM
WE ARE ALL EAGERLY WAITING FOR OUR GLORIOUS ETERNAL RENDEZVOUS WITH JESUS! �
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I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*. I Cor 1:7: �YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be *REVEALED*.�
Now the pre-tribbers claim that this glorious *REVEALING or *REVELATION* of Jesus will be *CONCEALED* BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation.� However, every other time the Word *REVEALED* {Greek-Apocalipsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the *LAST DAY* of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And *CONCEALED* is the exact opposite of *REVEALED* and *APPEARED* according to every dictionary!� Titus 2:13:
Titus 2:13: �*WE* wait for the *BLESSED HOPE*�the glorious *APPEARING* of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. �Hebrews 9:28 �Jesus will *APPEAR* a 2nd time to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!��
Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, �IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will *APPEAR in the sky and the nations will *SEE* the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!�
I John 2:28: �Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He *APPEARS* WE may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!� {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4}� 2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY�and not only to me, but to *ALL who have longed for His *APPEARING*!!� :angel:
2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels.� He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�:angel:
A meeting at an appointed place and time is called a RENDEZVOUS. We have a RENDEZVOUS with eternity at the glorious *APPEARING and *REVEALING of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ *IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Great Tribulation.
**ARE JESUS, PAUL, JOHN AND DANIEL ALL POST-TRIBBERS??
Posted : 10 Aug, 2011 06:58 PM
The first error starts with tags placed upon Christians, there is no such thing as post trib, pret trib, just terms for men's opinion, and no Jesus is not a post tribber.
**ARE JESUS, PAUL, JOHN AND DANIEL ALL POST-TRIBBERS??
Posted : 10 Aug, 2011 07:19 PM
I Corinthians 15:22-24: �For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits, then when He comes, those:rolleyes: who belong to Him. Then the **END** will come, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.� And so when Jesus comes again He will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father!
2 Peter 7,10,13: �The present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the Day of judgement and destruction of ungodly men... But the DAY OF THE LORD {See I Cor 1:7,8} will come like a thief.{To unbelievers-I Thess 5:4,5} The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up... But in keeping with His promise we:rolleyes: are looking forward to a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, the Home of righteousness.� :peace:
Rev 21 1:1-3: Then I saw a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. {THEN} I saw the NEW JERUSALEM, coming down out of heaven from God...,And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, �Now the dwelling of God is with men:rolleyes:, and He will live with them!!�
:applause::angel: You will note that the New Jerusalem will come only *AFTER the present heaven and earth have passed away on the DAY OF THE LORD! Read Hebrews 11:10, 14-16 & John 14:1-3. The pre-tribbers wrongly believe that THE DAY OF THE LORD is the entire Great Tribulation period. However, Acts 2:20 states �The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood {See Matt 24:29} **BEFORE** the coming of the great and glorious DAY OF THE LORD.� {See 2 Peter 3:10 above!!}
**ARE JESUS, PAUL, JOHN AND DANIEL ALL POST-TRIBBERS??
Posted : 11 Aug, 2011 04:01 PM
phillipjohn since you and ET believe in the Prosperity Gospel of Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen I can certainly understand why you believe in the pre-trib fairy tale since the courageous Tribulation saints will not be able to buy or sell anything {Rev 13:17}and God's two witnesses will be dressed in *SACKCLOTH** as per Rev 11:3!!
And this is why there will be a great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation by those who claim to be Christians but who love the world and the things in the world as per I John 2:15!!
Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, �What will be the sign of your Coming **AND THE **END** OF THE AGE**?? Jesus answered�.. {During the 1260-day Great Tribulation} �Then *YOU*:rolleyes: will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by all nations because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST* will grow cold,{THE GREAT APOSTASY} but he {The Called, Chosen & Faithful-Rev 17:14b} who stands firm to the End will be saved.�:angel:
Revelation 12:11: "They overcame him {666} by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they:rolleyes: did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death."
Revelation 13:8,10b: All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast {666}--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb...This calls for patient endurance:rolleyes: and faithfulness on the part of the saints!":angel:
