Not defending him or his actions but simply asking whether he was consistent with Scripture or not. Am comparing his actions to Jewish Law as it's where all subsequent 'Bible-based' religious llaws originated.
Is marrying a 12 year old girl Scripturally consistent?: Yes. Girls become women at 12, boys become men at 13 says God. The ages at which they're required to follow religious law and held responsible for their own sins. And as such entitled to religious rites such as marriage.
"Under Jewish Law, children are not obligated to observe the commandments, although they are encouraged to do so as much as possible to learn the obligations they will have as adults. At the age of 13 (12 for girls), children become obligated to observe the commandments."
"The minimum age for marriage under Jewish law is 13 for boys, 12 for girls; however, the kiddushin can take place before that, and often did in medieval times. The Talmud recommends that a man marry at age 18, or somewhere between 16 and 24." - http://www.jewfaq.org/barmitz.htm
http://www.jewfaq.org/marriage.htm
Is having 78 wives Scripturally consistent?: Yes.
"According to the Torah and the Talmud, a man was permitted to marry more than one wife, but a woman could not marry more than one man. Although polygyny was permitted, it was never common. The Talmud never mentions any rabbi with more than one wife. Around 1000 C.E., Ashkenazic Jewry banned polygyny because of pressure from the predominant Christian culture. It continued to be permitted for Sephardic Jews in Islamic lands for many years. To the present day, Yemenite and Ethiopian Jews continue to practice polygyny; however, the modern state of Israel allows only one wife. Those who move to Israel with more than one wife are permitted to remain married to all of the existing wives, but cannot marry additional ones."
Unless otherwise stated, the punishment for sins is execution by stoning. And since Shemot 22:27 doesn't say otherwise Jeffs should (by trying to use religious law to do as he pleases he becomes liable for any crime he commits using that same law) be facing execution.
Jeffs need to go to death rwo, just as Jesus said in His word... anyone who causees an innocent child to go astray is worhty of death...
The news said the court heard tapes of him having sex with a 12 and 14 year girls. He taped his sex acts with them.
How vile and perverted can this man be? Worthy of death... tax payers should not have to pay for his upkeep for life in prison... prayerfully, God will take care of the matter and fulfill His word for such sex sins and crimes of rape against innocent children..
You're barely worth reading James and certainly not worth quoting. Polygamy is a sin. Jeffs practiced polygany though which isn't a sin according to the Bible despite your non-Scripturally supported assertion. I can only hope you read your Bible more carefully than you do this forum.
We are commanded in the Bible to obey the laws of the country we are in. Even though under old Jewish law one could marry a girl of 12, the United States has made that illegal, and therefore he is not consistent with scripture.
Romans 13:1-7 (NASB)
1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.
7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
Wasn't my point. Since Jeffs' defense was what he did is Scriptural, which it is, he is also subject to the Law which when he cursed the judge he in fact broke.
And for James...
Seems to rely an awful lot on the Jewish Tanakh in your post:
Just the Facts: What the Bible says about your "free will".
Posted : 4 Aug, 2011 08:38 PM
...Citing: Psa 51:5; Psa 58:3; Gen 6:5; Job 15:14-16; Psa 130:3; Psa 143:2; Pro 20:9; Isa 64:6; Ecc 7:20; Jer 13:23; Gen 2:16-17
I guess he was scripturally consistent in his own mind, by choosing which laws to obey, or even setting up his own laws. I think a lot of believers tend to do the same thing, by taking scripture out of context, they believe what they want and ignore the rest. Also, any one can call themselves a "christian".
You're barely worth reading James and certainly not worth quoting. Polygamy is a sin. Jeffs practiced polygany though which isn't a sin according to the Bible despite your non-Scripturally supported assertion. I can only hope you read your Bible more carefully than you do this forum.
James replies:
"Non-scripturally supported"?
1. God gave Adam ONE wife.
2. God commanded Solomon NOT to have more than one wife.
3. Polygamists were DENIED church office (1 Tim.3:2)
3. Jesus made it PLAIN that God's intention was for a man
to have ONE wife (Matt. 19:1-12)
Jeff, at best you are just fuzzy headed and are not really interested in what the Bible says.
You know quite well, there is no such thing as any Christian organization that condones polygamy.
And what about men who became Christians, but after they already had more than one wife?
"But though Scripture upholds monogamy as
God's pattern, it does not reject polygamists from the kingdom of grace.
The reason is obvious. Polygamy is not like other sins. A thief can stop being a thief
immediately upon his conversion; and if he does not stop after a reasonable period of
pastoral attention, he can and should be removed from the church. But a polygamist cannot
simply stop being a polygamist. He has incurred obligations to his wives, and he cannot simply
cast them off. A sinful divorce does not remedy the sin of polygamy."
