Thread: Replacement Theology;Yes or NO----Jeremiah 31:31-37
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Replacement Theology;Yes or NO----Jeremiah 31:31-37
Posted : 31 Jul, 2011 05:15 AM
Hello everyone:
Has YHWH cast off His people Israel?
Those of the Ekklesia/Assemblies/Called out ones,Have these replaced Israel as the Annointed of GOD.
Let us read the REPORT of YHWH concerning Israel.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, says Jehovah, that I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt (which covenant of Mine they broke, although I was a husband to them, says Jehovah).
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, declares Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall no longer each man teach his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah. For they shall all know Me, from the least of them even to the greatest of them, declares Jehovah. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.
Jer 31:35 So says Jehovah, who gives the sun for a light by day, the laws of the moon, and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar, Jehovah of Hosts is His name.
Jer 31:36 If these ordinances depart from before Me, says Jehovah, the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever.
Jer 31:37 So says Jehovah, If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be searched out, I will also reject all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, declares Jehovah.
I do not believe the Ekklesia/Assemblies/Called out ones;these have not replaced Israel.
Israel is still the 'Apple of the eye of YHWH.
The Ekklesia/Assemblies/Called out ones;These are the 'Apple of the eye of Yeshua'.
Luk 15:11 And He said, A certain man had two sons.
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to the father, Father give me that part of the property falling to me. And he divided the living to them.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after, gathering up all things, the younger son went away to a distant country. And there he wasted his property, living dissolutely.
Luk 15:14 But having spent all his things, a severe famine came throughout that country, and he began to be in need.
Luk 15:15 And going, he was joined to one of the citizens of that country. And he sent him into his fields to feed pigs.
Luk 15:16 And he longed to fill his stomach from the husks which the pigs ate, but no one gave to him.
Luk 15:17 But coming to himself he said, How many servants of my father have plenty of loaves, and I am perishing with famine.
Luk 15:18 Rising up, I will go to my father, and I will say to him, Father, I sinned against Heaven and before you,
Luk 15:19 and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And rising up, he came to his father. But he yet being far away, his father saw him and was moved with pity. And running, he fell on his neck and fervently kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said to him, Father, I have sinned against Heaven and before you, and no longer am I worthy to be called your son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his slaves, Bring out the best robe and clothe him, and give a ring for his hand and sandals for his feet.
Luk 15:23 And bring the fattened calf, slaughter and let us eat and be merry;
Luk 15:24 for this son of mine was dead, and lived again, and was lost, and was found. And they began to be merry.
Luk 15:25 But the older son was in a field. And having come, as he drew near to the house, he heard music and dances.
Luk 15:26 And having called one of the children, he inquired what this may be.
Luk 15:27 And he said to him, Your brother came, and your father killed the fattened calf, because he received him back in health.
Luk 15:28 But he was angry and did not desire to go in. Then coming out, his father begged him.
Luk 15:29 But answering, he said to the father, Behold, so many years I serve you, and I have never transgressed a command of you. And you never gave a goat to me, so that I might be merry with my friends.
Luk 15:30 But when this son of yours came, the one devouring your living with harlots, you killed the fattened calf for him.
Luk 15:31 But he said to him, Child, you are always with me, and all of my things are yours.
Luk 15:32 But to be merry and to rejoice was right, for this brother of yours was dead, and lived again; and being lost, also he was found.
Replacement Theology;Yes or NO----Jeremiah 31:31-37
Posted : 31 Jul, 2011 06:57 AM
Originally, the Catholic Church claimed they replaced physical Israel, and this claim has been called replacement theology.
What is important here is that Roman Catholicism created the "church" as a separate body from Israel. The early Christians before Oregen and the founding of the Catholic church believed that Gentiles were grafted into Israel reborn in Christ- so the Gentiles were also of THE Israel of God in Galtaians 6: 16, and there there was no difference between original Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Christ.
And the Protestant dispensationalists came along in the 19th century and said the "church" is a separate group of God's people from the "Jews" who in dispensationalism are physical, not born again, Israel. In dispensationalism there is no Israel as a Body of Christ apart from physical Israel. In this system there is one Israel, and it is both saved and unsaved Israelites, the physical descendants of Abraham.
Yes, I have heard that dispensationalists say that Jeremiah 31: 31-33, the prophecy on he coming of the New Covenant, applies only to physical Israel. But Hebrews 10, 9, 16-20 shows this claim to be untrue. I would not try to use Jeremiah 31 to try to show that there will be a restoration of physical Israel. The New Testament does not support this idea.
Replacement Theology;Yes or NO----Jeremiah 31:31-37
Posted : 31 Jul, 2011 12:07 PM
I object to the term "replacement theology"
It is NOT replacement, it is EXPANSION.
Not every person who is a physically ethnic Israelite is a spiritually elect Israelite.
Doug Moo summarizes this way:
"If the OT teaches that belonging to physical Israel in itself makes a person a member of God's true spiritual people, then Paul's gospel is in jeopardy. For were this the case, the gospel, proclaiming that only those who believe in Jesus Christ can be saved (cf. 3:20-26), would contradict the OT and be cut off from its indispensable historical roots. Paul therefore argues in [Romans 9] vv. 6b-29 that belonging to God's true spiritual people has always been based on God's gracious and sovereign call and not on ethnic identity. Therefore, God is free to 'narrow' the apparent boundaries of election by choosing only some Jews to be saved (vv. 6-13; 27-29). He is also free to 'expand' the dimensions of his people by choosing Gentiles (vv. 24-26)" (569).
Thus we see that the initial promise in Genesis 12 did not mean that all physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would be saved or inherit the blessings, such as the land, entailed by that covenant. We must remember, says Paul (with added paraphrase), that �not all who are descended from Israel [i.e., the physical seed] belong to Israel [i.e., the spiritual seed], and not all are children of Abraham [which is to say, heirs of the promise] because they are his [physical or ethnic] offspring� (9:6b-7).
Replacement Theology;Yes or NO----Jeremiah 31:31-37
Posted : 31 Jul, 2011 12:50 PM
@James;
Yes James;
Yet ABBA is not through with Israel as a nation,or as a people in need of being saved.
Has this particular PROPHESY been fulfilled yet.
Zec 12:8 In that day Jehovah shall protect around those living in Jerusalem. And it will be, he who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of Jehovah before them.
Zec 12:9 And it shall be in that day, I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David, and on those living in Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of prayers. And they shall look on Me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they shall be bitter over Him, like the bitterness over the first-born.
Until this is fulfilled ABBA still has His way with Israel.
Replacement Theology;Yes or NO----Jeremiah 31:31-37
Posted : 31 Jul, 2011 05:08 PM
No replacement.
ISRAEL IS JESUS. Always has been CHRIST(annointed) in faith.
Jacob was a shadow of JESUS. Israel loosly means PRINCE OF GOD, there is only ONE prince of God. The OT was shadows, and pictures. The only thing different NOW...
...Is GENTILES(of flesh) were now grafted into the tree(who is Jesus) And the TWO became ONE. With out Circumsicion, becasue circumsision is of the Heart.
Thats it. Jeremiah is talking about ISRAEL. ISRAEL never changed. The REMNANT is being saved as we speak, has been since pentacost. ISRAEL is beign saved, the remnant of Judah(Jesus is the lion of judah)
Also
Zec 12:8 In that day Jehovah shall protect around those living in Jerusalem. And it will be, he who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of Jehovah before them.
Jehvah is protecting me as we speak. Im living in Jerusalem now(Hebrews 12:22)
Zec 12:9 And it shall be in that day, I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
ALL nations(gentiles, those NOT of the circumsicscion of the heart) are destroyed spiritually, by the powers of Darkness, adn given over to lies, and physical riches(mammon), and war...and such...they end up being destroyed internally first, adn destroy each other outwardly. ALL who Go against the TRUE Israel of God.
And the TRUE Israel of GOD, doesnt have to fight back, with carnal warfare, because they have a GOD who WON allready on there side.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David, and on those living in Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of prayers. And they shall look on Me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they shall be bitter over Him, like the bitterness over the first-born.
Yup, I will pour out My Spirit on ALL, ALL ,ALL Flesh, happened at Pentocost. Spirit of Grace(hebrews 10:29) They Looked on HE whom they pierced in John 19:36-37, and Again(prophesy is always two fold...or MORE) they will do it at the end, as stated in Revelation 1:7.
Except when He comes THEN, the mourning will be for thier eternal souls because they refused to come to the Fountain of Living Water, to have life. And there Names were written in the earth(Jeremiah 17:13, John 8:5-9) Jesus only comes back ONCE, and acording to PETER...
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2 Peter 3:10
...its in destruction, burning UP the EARTH, of where those who refuse him are written)
They will be bitter over him,Bitter becasue they forsook the lord(Jer 2:19) Bitter water that causes a curse. (numbers 5:24) This "Bitter water" is worm wood. turns the water(WORD) into lies...THIS is the flood that the Dragon spews...and has been spewing...
Jesus is the ONLY way. Only if a Physical man gets in JESUS is he Israel. No matter WHAT his blood says. No matter WHAT "Religion" he is.
