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The Fundamental Mistake of the Theology That Captured Evangelical Christianity
Posted : 29 Jul, 2011 03:51 AM

The Fundamental Mistake of the Theology That Captured Evangelical Christianity



Some "Dispys," or those who follow dispensationalism, are now bailing

out of the pre-tribulation rapture theory. But they refuse to come

out of the fundamental starting points of this theology. The theology has

to be called something. Its usually called "dispensationalism,"

though many Christians who follow this theology do not know what

dispensationalism means.. Their preachers taught

them the theology, but often did not teach them that this system of

doctrines is usually called dispensationalism.

What are these starting postulates of dispensationalism?



John Darby (1800-1882), the father of dispensationalism, said that the

dispensation of law ended at the

cross when the dispensation of grace began. But then when the seven

year dispensationalist tribulation period begins, another dispensation

of law begins - so proposed Darby. This created a problem for Darby's

thery. How could another dispensation of law go on when the church was

still on earth? He thought that in the dispensation of law during the

tribulation, God would be dealing with the Jews. Would the church in

the tribulation return to be under the law? The solution was that Darby

postulated that before the events of the tribulation began and the one

man dispensationalist Anti-Christ appeared, the church would be

raptured off the earth. With the church gone, God would then turn to

deal with the Jews during the tribulation, to save all Jews, all living

then or part of those living then..



Darby postulated that there will be a new dispensation during the

tribulation period. To postulate means to assume the existence, fact,

or truth of something. In logic, an axiom or postulate is a

proposition that is not proved, but is assumed as the starting point

of a system of thought. That is, Darby did not get his starting

principle that there would be a different dispensation from scripture,

but just made it up himself.



In dispensationalism there is one Israel. It is physical Israel,

which begins with the promise

to Abraham in Genesis 17: 7 that God would establish a covenant with

Abraham and his

seed which would be everlasting. I know of no writings of the

classical dispensationalists who

accept Paul's teachings in Romans 9: 6-8 and in Galatians 4: 25-26

that there are two

different Israels, one the children of the flesh, or Israel after the

flesh (I Corinthians 10: 18),

and the other the children of the promise in Romans 9: 8, as the

spiritual seed from Abraham, and therefore

the children of God. This is the same saved Israel which Paul in

Galatians 4: 26 calls that Jerusalem

which is above, is free and is the mother of us all.



I know of no dispensationalist authority who makes a distinction

between apostate physical Israel of the

Old Covenant and that Remnant of old Israel who were faithful to God.

That is, some may talk about those

of Old Covenant Israel who were faithful, but the dispesationalists

do not make the distinction between the

two Israels of the Old Covenant a fundamental starting doctrine of

their theology.



By Christ's time most of physical Israel followed the religion of the

Pharisees, or oral Talmudic Judaism. Hebrews Chapter Eleven lists

some of the faithful of old Israel who lived by faith. Those listed

in this chapter include Abel, Enouch, Noah, Abraham, Sara, Isaac,

Jacob,

Moses, Gideon, and even the prostitute Rahab. "These all died in

faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar

off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that

they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." Hebrews 11: 13 There

were a few Hebrews at the time Christ was born who were faithful, such

as Simeon and Anna discussed in Luke Chapter 2.



In Matthew 27: 52-53, after Christ died on the Cross and the veil of

the temple was torn, indicating the Old Covenant was taken away

(Hebrews 10: 9), "The graves

were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose...and went

into the holy city and appeared unto many."



But Charles C. Ryrie (born 1925) says of classical dispensationalism

that the: "basic primise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God

expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction

throughout eternity." Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism Today, 1966,

pp.44-45.



J. Dwight Pentecost is another dispensationalist theologian who in his

book Things To Come ( 1965) says "The church and Israel are two

distinct groups with whom God has a divine plan...These considerations

all arise from

a literal method of interpretation." (page 193, J. Dwight Pentecost,

Things To Come, Zondervan, 1965)....



In dispensationalism "Israel" is always one group, all those who claim

physical descent from Abraham.

At the Cross the promise to Abraham that his seed would be in a covenant with

God forever was changed from the physical seed, the literal DNA of

Abraham, to Abraham's

spiritual seed, to those who like Abraham, believed God. As Paul says

in Romans 9: 8"They which

are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God."



Followers of dispensationalism cling to their fundamental belief that

physical Israel, the children of the flesh, remain God's chosen

people. They cling to that belief in physical Israel as the chosen

people, which is called Jewish supremacy, because they think their

identity in Christ is based upon believing physical Israel is the

chosen people. This belief is in great part based on Romans 11: 17

that they as Gentiles of the "church" are grafted into the good olive

tree which, from dispensationalism, they think, is all physical

Israel. Yet Paul is not inconsistent in his doctrines. To be

consistent with Romans 9: 6-8, Galatians 4: 25-26, Romans 2: 28-29,

Galatians 3: 28-29 and other New Testament texts, that Israel into

which Gentile Christians are grafted into is Jerusalem which is above,

is free and is the mother of us all, and in Romans 9: 8 the children

of the promise to Abraham as his spiritual seed, rather than his

physical seed who are not born again.



On another Christian forum a couple of years ago, I was saying that

Paul in I Corinthians 15: 52 said that Christ

will appear at the last trump, or the last trumpet, which would be the

seventh trumpet at the end of the tribulation. But a follower of dispensationalism replied and

said, no, Paul did not mean the last trumpet of the Book of

Revelation. What Paul meant, this dispensationalism said, was a

trumpet sounding in some aspect of the Old Covenant ceremonial law,

during some feast day. This dispensationalist also added that as

Christians grafted into Israel, we need to know more of that Old

Covenant stuff.



In attributing the status of God's chosen people to all physical

Israel, most of whom when Christ walked the earth were in Talmudic

Judaism, the religion of the Pharisees, and not believing I Peter 2: 9

that Christians are the chosen people following the Cross,

dispenationalists have, like Esau in Genesis 25, given up their

birthright.



Their birthright is in Israel, but they have the wrong Israel. Christ

came to save Israel, but that Israel which has an identity in Jesus

Christ, as their spiritual birthright, is Israel reborn in Christ

(John 3: 1-6). Only those born again in Christ are part of saved

Israel.



In having attached themselves one construct called Israel, and not to

born again Israel, dispensationalists are in danger of being told

"I knew you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of

iniquity." Luke 13: 25-27 He doesn't mean he does not know them

where they live geographically, but he does not know them as his own

where they have positioned themselves in their beliefs, in their

doctrines. They are on the broad way of Matthew 7: 13-14, and not the

narrow way.

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The Fundamental Mistake of the Theology That Captured Evangelical Christianity
Posted : 29 Jul, 2011 08:26 AM

halfback do you understand bitterness is not a fruit of the spirit?

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The Fundamental Mistake of the Theology That Captured Evangelical Christianity
Posted : 29 Jul, 2011 05:13 PM

Sometimes the truth can leave a bitter taste in your mouth, but in this case a good tree beareth good fruit, and its SWEET!

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Posted : 29 Jul, 2011 06:51 PM

Two points:



PhillipJohn has returned to his usual drive by one liners comments that make no sense, and should be ignored.



2. I understand halfback, that you disagree with Dispensationalism, and so do I.



I just don't think it is THE "fundamental theological mistake".



I think that title goes to Arminianism. When American Christians embraced Arminianism, that was the turning point that led to all kinds of errrors about God, sin, Mankind, and salvation.



Dispensationalism mainly deals with the end times, and does not effect the Christian as much as Arminianism.



And here is something I would like to know.....



Since the only real replacement for dispensationalism is Covenant theology, and that belongs to the Reformed, why aren't you Reformed?



Are you a closet Calvinist? Just curious.





In Christ,





James

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The Fundamental Mistake of the Theology That Captured Evangelical Christianity
Posted : 29 Jul, 2011 09:54 PM

Terms and names are born out of men's agenda's truth is not in men's agenda.



James I have tell again Jesus will never make sense.

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